inFAMOUS 2 - Goodbye old/new Cole, hello new NEW Cole.

KORNdog
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Reasons for the drastic change:

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-6894-Video-Game-News-Examiner~y2010m6d6-Sucker-Punch-explains-why-they-decided-to-redesign-Cole-in-inFamous-2

Gameinformer Info:
I got the gameinformer with a good look at the game. It takes place in a new city called New Marais. Its a fictional New Orleans. This isn't a younger cole its simply a re-designed cole with a new voice actor. Cole will be spending the time this game becoming a "super-super hero" in order to be able to beat the beast, he will be ramping up his power from the last game.

- From what I see, they have pulled in the camera.
- There are real cutscenes and the traditional comic strip narrative.
-You wont just jump up buildings but will construct ways to make it up buildings using objects to heighten that sense of exploration.
- There should be some new powers outside of electricity but he will still be the electric super hero.
- There is melee weapons.
- Zeke is more helpful.
- More people, cars and things happening in the game.
There are pictures of what appears to be in-game screens although I can't be sure as there are no HUD or anything.

Picture 1. Cole kind of spidey sticking to a wall next to a window with green shudders, cable wiring strung across strung above his head and a busy ole style street below him. It looks almost Victorian with people waiting to cross the cross walk, cars driving with their headlights on at night and brick stone streets.

Picture 2. An almost silhouetted comic style picture of the beast, he looks like Dr. Manhattan but red.

Bottom row of pictures are beautiful concept art of types of in game settings. I'm seeing high contrast, run down blade runner style streets resembling Las Vegas on a small scale. An assassins creed style cathedral, a creepy swamp with a dock and light pouring in from large dead trees with moss hanging from them. What appears to be a cemetery or tombs. Another swampy area but with a resident evil run down mansion in the background.

Picture 3. Cole wielding a big electricity conductor club that looks sort of like a double bladed sword. He is standing in front of a guy wearing cargo pants, a sweater and a helmet hood with a bunch of orange patterns and a gun.

Picture 4. is an assassins creed style image with cole peering over a sun drenched Venice city...although small and hard to make out.

Picture 5. Concept art of a multi colored lit tower in the middle of many old buildings.

Picture 6. Close up from behind cole standing in a water flooded area with capsized boat and old swamp house in the background.

Picture 7. Cole doing a huge spin attack sideways in the air with his electric club/sword. He knocking one of those militia guards into the air.

Picture 8. Close up of Cole doing his classic electricity zap attack to another militia guard. I believe these foot soldiers are people trying to remove people with powers.

Picture 9. A picture of Cole using a new power where he is thrust upward the side of a building via a cable line.

Picture 10. Cole doing a huge electric attack decimating everything in the area including a taxi and foot soldiers.

Picture 11. Close up behind Cole executing a huge electric vortex sucking up anyone and everything.

Picture 12. Cole doing another one of those vortex attacks but in a more visually striking scene.

Picture 13. A screen cap from an in-game cutscene where Cole is leaping and or rolling away from a huge explosion caused by a helicopter missle.

- Bigger bosses, promises to be meaner.
- A smoother morality system, not so black and white.
- Water kills you, tread lightly in swamps.
- Far more visually distinctive areas.
- Possibility of online functionality.

If you haven't seen the Cole Re-design, hes much more attractive, hes essentially the Male version of the girl from Mirrors Edge. Hes got that handsome everyman face, with a light beard/mustache. A stylish hand bandage, messenger bag, simple necklace, V-cut shirt striped pants and a more modern looking two toed ninja boot.

Some quotes:
"We're able to have a much more empathetic narrative this time"

"It was a superhero game that you could get into and have a good time. The second game, if we do our jobs right, will hopefully give you a heart attack."

"Cole getting around - the marriage of parkour and superpowers - creates this incredible jungle gym of mobility. It becomes this landscape of opportunities when you can zip up a building, then find a wire that goes across empty space. You're making it up as you go, and you're stringing together these cool moves that allow you to dominate the space in a way that only Cole can do."

"There are bigger consequences to your choices, and it's not really obvious what's good and bad."

"Morality is certainly a big part of the product." "And we are committed to making it impactful and meaningful, and have it be something you feel is responsive to how you're playing the game."
not sure i'm liking the new "mirrors edge" looking cole. he's even got a new voice (we knew this ages ago) but gameplay wise it's sounding like a decent sequel to the first game which really set a solid foundation. hope it's good.
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Sath - Missed the<br>hay
Sath
Since 6878 Days
I am excited to see this new approach of them, hopefully its good.
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KORNdog
KORNdog
Since 6416 Days
looking at the image of cole i actually dont mind it as much as i initially thought even though it is pretty plain (nathan drake eat your heart out). i think the electricity around his hands was throwing me off tho, cos all i could see where sparkly michael jackson gloves.

shamone motha fucka
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scoobs0688
scoobs0688
Since 5647 Days
I'm almost finished with the first and i freaking love it. I don't mind the new design, i thought the original design was grade-A awful.
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KORNdog
KORNdog
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Posted by scoobs0688
I'm almost finished with the first and i freaking love it. I don't mind the new design, i thought the original design was grade-A awful.
i kinda agree tbh. he in no-way offended me or annoyed me like say, ezio from AC2, but he was just very unremarkable in terms of his voice (christian bale batman wannabe) and even the way he dressed. but then he's one of those "everyman" types, where there is nothing particularly standout-ish about his appearance and so it's probably hard to make an iconic character using the template...nathan drake doesnt really need to be since he is everyman through and through, but cole, a superhero, should technically have some sort of recognisable feature outside of his powers, something iconic, a silhouette you can pick out from the crowd. but i dont think this 'new' cole will really rectify those issues.

he may have a better, more skilled voice actor (if it's nolan north i'll die a little inside) that allows for a more emotive character. and he may look a lot more stylish, but he's still a normal looking guy. but i guess that's what they're going for. a more "grounded" approach to a superhero story, less about the capes and spandex and snake mountain hide-outs, more about looking good and blending in while still kicking ass. and i suppose that's what cole does.

gameplay wise tho i think it's sounding right on the money. basically more of the same but better. who knows, maybe the "forgettable" new look is there to have a really neutral blank canvas for the player to manipulate into good or bad. the visual differences in the first game amounted to a change in lightning and the saturation level of the outfit. maybe the second game has more drastic changes. maybe being bad makes you look bent and hunched like kessler was. who knows.
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SimonM7 - The other mod's bitch
SimonM7
Since 7035 Days
Just by being a better looking model, the face would see a slight redesign, and just by having hair after having had it burnt off in the first game, he'd... have hair. I'm not that bothered by the head/face looking a bit different because it doesn't diverge too much anyway.

What makes me sad though is to see his jacket go. Cole is a super hero that's never spelled out to be a super hero, and his jacket had a design with a pattern and colour that gave you a subtle superhero vibe. I thought the iconic thing about Cole was that jacket, and the way its colour hues changed ever so slightly to either convey a cold, harsh anti hero Cole or a more glowy, more heroic one.

Oh well, I have it on my Sackboy in LBP.

Oh and also, InFamous is easily my favourite game on the system, so I'm so obscenely stoked for this game I'd have to get my pants off to convey it properly.
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KORNdog
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just saw the scans *cough* gametrailers *cough* and the game is looking very impressive. the lighting in particular is really nice.

the character change is very drastic when you see it, way more drastic then the image i posted makes out. he has mirror's edge-styled tatoo's, michael jackson like tape around his hands and fingers, "trendy" clothes, poser haircut, major difference in facial structure. such a massive change. but i actually like it the more i see of it. by the time it's released i'm sure i'll be happy about the decision. can't wait to see some direct feed screens. even zeke looks pretty awesome.
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Sath - Missed the<br>hay
Sath
Since 6878 Days
Such an overhaul design, I like it more than the original, I bit.
He got the same hairstyle as me (mine is black) :P

The city design seems to be much more various, more redefined and "alive", from the images anyways.
I am very excited to see what how the new look looks like, it feels like a new IP :)'
I am also excited to hear his voice.
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SimonM7 - The other mod's bitch
SimonM7
Since 7035 Days
Oh BALLS.

I retract all of my previous "I don't mind" statements, he looks like a fucking boob. :(
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Sath - Missed the<br>hay
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LOL

I compared the two models side by side, the old Cole's outfit is better, much better.
The reason is because there is more "stuff" on him and has more colors going on. Even Faith in Mirror's Edge was simple but yet was a very slick design.

This new Cole looks very very simple, barely worked on...outfits.

PS. I dont like the tattoos nor the NFL ducktapes on the fingers :P

I remember reading that in the first inFamous there was no outfit unlockables whatsoever, lets hope they include that in this one. Something tells me if anything they will have the old Cole biker outfit, just a guess.

But as long as the gameplay is awesome its all good.
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scoobs0688
scoobs0688
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I don't see what the problem is w/ the character re-design, looks good to me. The old design looked ridiculous and whoever did the voice acting SUCKED
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Sath - Missed the<br>hay
Sath
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I didnt like the biker boy look, but atleast that design had colors to it, thats my problem anyways.
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scoobs0688
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I have a feeling nobody is gonna care when they are playin the game and its awesome.
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SimonM7 - The other mod's bitch
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Posted by scoobs0688
I have a feeling nobody is gonna care when they are playin the game and its awesome.
I am genuinely bummed that he looks like a right twat. I mean look at him! You'd cross the street just to avoid conversation with someone like that.

But you're certainly right, I'll slowly get used to the idea, and as I stated earlier, this is still the sequel to my fave PS3 game. I mean apart from Boob McBoobs, the game looks superb.
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KORNdog
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Posted by SimonM7
I am genuinely bummed that he looks like a right twat. I mean look at him! You'd cross the street just to avoid conversation with someone like that.

But you're certainly right, I'll slowly get used to the idea, and as I stated earlier, this is still the sequel to my fave PS3 game. I mean apart from Boob McBoobs, the game looks superb.
the guy looks like a blatant poser (much like faith in mirrors edge) but at least he is now distinguishable from all the other bald space marines. seriously, old cole was almost a clone of nathan hale, only in biked gear. he looked completely personality-less (it's a word...lol) so i'd take the less of 2 evils at this point. the changes should at least let the character have some character this time around, not just some batman wannabe.
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SimonM7 - The other mod's bitch
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I agree.

It's just weird to me, they could achieve essentially the same result by evolving old cole. You could craft a better face with more personality in the process of updating the fidelity of the model, credibly let his hair grow and give him some hair style, and sort some facial hair if they insist.

I think old cole was non descript enough to get away with giving him more personality and features without giving him a TOTAL overhaul. This is so inescapably a *completely different guy*, and that's just.. I dunno, I think it's a bit overkill.

But yeah, it'll be of little consequence ultimately, I just really dug that damn jacket. :)
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KORNdog
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Posted by SimonM7
I agree.

It's just weird to me, they could achieve essentially the same result by evolving old cole. You could craft a better face with more personality in the process of updating the fidelity of the model, credibly let his hair grow and give him some hair style, and sort some facial hair if they insist.

I think old cole was non descript enough to get away with giving him more personality and features without giving him a TOTAL overhaul, this is so inescapably a *completely different guy*, and that's just.. I dunno, I think it's a bit overkill.

But yeah, it'll be of little consequence ultimately, I just really dug that damn jacket. :)
i liked his original get-up personally, from the very first trailer. cole looked a lot different back then too. with a very "asian biker gang" vibe to him



seems the devs dont quite know what they want their protagonist to look like. a change of clothes was needed tho imo, especially seeing as this is taking place in a shiney new, non-post apocolyptic city, and facially, as you say, he was so non-descript in the first game that i completely understand why they'd want to give him a bit more personality. a full blown overhaul might have been the wrong way to go about it, but as i said, it's the less of the two evils.

i loved infamous, one of the best open world games imo, but cole was definately the week link in the entire thing. from his voice, his personality, his appearence. he was just incredibly forgettable (had to google his last name). i'm hoping these changes rectify those issues. but i am slightly worried what his voice will be like in the sequel. with a poser appearence surely comes a whiney voice? i pray that i'm wrong.
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So if they just put the old costume on the new cole then everyone would be happy?
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Frozpot
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Was the actual game different from the Demo? Because I couldn't see anything special when I played it...
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KORNdog
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Posted by Frozpot
Was the actual game different from the Demo? Because I couldn't see anything special when I played it...
probably not for you then. i played the hour long demo about 12 times through, spent more time playing that then some games last...lol

definately one of the best open world games tho. story is a bit hokey, but the twist more then makes up for it. its KOTOR levels of "zomg, didnt see that coming"
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Posted by Frozpot
Was the actual game different from the Demo? Because I couldn't see anything special when I played it...
Its pretty much that... but the gameplay is awesome, i guess if that doesn't hook you then its not for you.
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http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/infamous-2-e3-20...

Images
http://www.eurogamer.net/gallery.php?game_id=13359...

I dont like his new look (aside from his head).
He belongs in Mirror's Edge or Brink than inFamous. I dont understand why so many tattoos he looks more over the top. The reason why I liked the previous Cole's design was because there was more color on him thanks to the jacket and he was more "normal" looking. Now he just looks like a tattoo artist :S
Also, bandages? really? LOL

But visually it looks nice, art design has changes from what I seen.
Zeke looks like one of those Elvis Presley guys you find in Las Vegas :P

I just hope the powers and how they are used are cool and that Cole can do some neat stuff.
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I do think he looks better than the artwork suggested, but yeah he seems really image conscious now which is really the most jarring thing about him if you're supposed to believe that the events of the first game actually fucked him up. I mean that was sorta the point of the story in 1, that was Kessler's plan.

So instead he's this supe well adjusted playboy now, it makes no sense. I will say I think his new voice is Peter Parkery in a sympathetic way though, and I think his facial animation does seem to lend him a more tangible persona.. But at the same time I always figured the indestinct personality of old Cole was so that you could actually play him however you liked. I wonder if they'll incorporate your moral choices into how this Cole behaves and stuff.

But still, I'm really really excited for this game. I'm confident that by the time it comes out I will have digested this redesigned Cole business.

I think they'd do well to slap a "previously on" at the beginning of this game and at least *show* some of the events of 1 using this Cole. Maybe that way it won't be quite so jarring.

EDIT:

Of course, if you imagine him being a bike messenger and a bit of a pretty boy already PRIOR to the sphere exploding in the first game, it all sorta falls into place. I could see him being all URBAN and FREE RUNNERY then. Yeah, definitely would be nice if they simply "re-tell" the first game's events using this Cole with a short "previously on" at the start of 2.
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I have no problem with the voice, I actually prefer a normal voice than another gritty "uugh" types like Snake, Gears...etc.

But the tattoos is what bothers me, it doesnt look cool. Maybe because I hate tattoos myself, if they are overloaded. One small one or so is fine, but too many looks ugly IMO.

I hope they add outfits, because as far as I remember the first one didnt have such stuff.

But I hope the gameplay is better than the first to make me buy it. I wasent feeling the "shooter" re-skin with power, but thats just me.
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Posted by Sath
I have no problem with the voice, I actually prefer a normal voice than another gritty "uugh" types like Snake, Gears...etc.

But the tattoos is what bothers me, it doesnt look cool. Maybe because I hate tattoos myself, if they are overloaded. One small one or so is fine, but too many looks ugly IMO.

I hope they add outfits, because as far as I remember the first one didnt have such stuff.

But I hope the gameplay is better than the first to make me buy it. I wasent feeling the "shooter" re-skin with power, but thats just me.
that's the best thing about it. it wasnt a sloppy typical super hero game like prototype or spiderman, or hulk. the fact it was essentially a third person shooter with open world traversal is why it was so appealing to me. it felt like it had a really solid foundation, unlike prototype et al where it feels like they're trying to please everyone but end up pleasing no-one....well, no-one sane anyway....lol

as for his change of clothes and style. it makes sense to me, why would he be still dressed as a bike messenger? that life is clearly behind him. especially the same threads he was wearing in the first game. time has passed, he's gone to a new city, moved onto new challenges, it'd be weirder to me if he was exactly like he was before in the same way it'd be weird if drake was dressed the same as he was in uncharted 2 as he was in the first.

cole was dressed the way he was dressed in the first game because of context, bike messenger, raysphere blast, remains dressed in those clothes since there was no other option. saving the world came first. but the context has changed now. he's had time to change his clothes to something more comfortable and more fitting to the free-runner lifestyle. his old appearance was one out of necessity imo, a relatively "middle of the road" sense of style. now it feels like a sense of personality is coming through in the way he dresses.

overall i liked the look of both coles, since they both worked in the context of the situation he was in. but i definately prefer the way he looks (and talks) now since it seems it's more fitting for the character as a character. he's distinguishable, has a personality. before he felt like the GTA guy in GTA3. a blank canvas for the player to shape and mould into what they want him to be, but lacking a real persona despite having a voice. the new cole seems like he's evolved into a tommy vercetti or niko belic, a character with real character.

i welcome the change
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