Call of Duty 4 thread

Since 6879 Days

By all you mean "you" and "me".
And, is customization on a character means pants to you? wow.

I might jump in the comparison now and then if I have anything to say, but will leave it for you guys for now ;).

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PS3: MGS4 - Metal Gear Online - Killzone 2 - Uncharted - Haze - DMC4 - God of War 3
360: Mass Effect - Assassin's Creed - Call of Duty 4 - DMC4 - Dark Sector - Ninja Gaiden 2 - Too Human - Fable 2 - Resident Evil 5

GriftGFX

Since 7013 Days

I don't even understand 90% of that post.. but we all know that Sath wants more cargos!

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LEBATO

Since 7135 Days

I especially like this part.

"And, is customization on a character means pants to you? wow."

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Mods, stop changing my SIG! I'm going to end up banning you!

GriftGFX

Since 7013 Days

I was just givin Sath a hard time for putting so much value in what his character looks like in every game. I don't think it's without any value though.. I do appreciate the custom armor in Halo for example, even though I still haven't unlocked half of it. I've been too busy playing MP to go skull hunting.

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Sath

Since 6879 Days

But if this was Rainbow Six Vegas thread then you wouldnt giving me a hard time huh?
Do you take it personally if I like the option to liking their gears or have the option to customizing them?

Maybe you don't like it and that is where we go seperate ways.

I asked you because you played the beta, its not like I just ask for fun.

You said its not optional to customize them and such, and that was what I wanted to know...and yet you aresometimes bitchin about i, no offence.

I don't put into much value once I do understand there is not customizing option, so I will play for the weapons instead.

Games like GRAW 2 and RB6 Vegas had a impact on me especially with RB6 Vegas when you could go crazy on your character.

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PS3: MGS4 - Metal Gear Online - Killzone 2 - Uncharted - Haze - DMC4 - God of War 3
360: Mass Effect - Assassin's Creed - Call of Duty 4 - DMC4 - Dark Sector - Ninja Gaiden 2 - Too Human - Fable 2 - Resident Evil 5

GriftGFX

Since 7013 Days

Sath you're always talking about what characters look like.. down to their clothing and hairstyle. I'm just bustin your balls you're entitled to put as much value on style as you want. It just seems like you care a lot about the clothing your character is wearing.

I don't have a problem with it at all. I actually think it adds visual variety to some games. In some ways I'd rather have visual variety in this genre thn RPG elements that effect gameplay. IW did a fine job balancing the latter in this game though which pleases me greatly.

And yes if it was a R6 thread I'd still make a joke about you needing more cargos.. but I'm just kidding. If you're offended than I'm sorry.

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Sath

Since 6879 Days

Nah Grift, I just like cargo clothes, some people are into trends and fashion I like army like cargos, I guess thats my "fashion" :S
I am not offended, maybe your jokes are bad ;)

I know COD4 is in FPs and it doesn't matter how you look, but IF you had the option, why not.

Halo is in first person and people are additcted to the armor customization, even if they can't see how they look like...when playing.

But now that I know COD4 doesn't have anything like that, its all weapon mods for me now.

About that, you said that you choose a class or whatever in each round am I correct?

If so, then do you think there will be a option to save multiple classes and weapons, like 2 or 3 and then choose any of those classes anytime we have the option to choose our class before the match begins, would be pretty sweet.

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PS3: MGS4 - Metal Gear Online - Killzone 2 - Uncharted - Haze - DMC4 - God of War 3
360: Mass Effect - Assassin's Creed - Call of Duty 4 - DMC4 - Dark Sector - Ninja Gaiden 2 - Too Human - Fable 2 - Resident Evil 5

GriftGFX

Since 7013 Days

You can change your class at any time in a game/server, from the default classes or any of your custom classes you've created. I think you get like, five custom class slots, so you could have five custom classes and you could change to any of them during a round.. the change will just take effect the next time you die/spawn. On the 360, you just hit start (I believe) during the game and one of the options is "change class."

You just can't edit them during a game.. only in a lobby.

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Sath

Since 6879 Days

Posted by GriftGFX

You can change your class at any time in a game/server, from the default classes or any of your custom classes you've created. I think you get like, five custom class slots, so you could have five custom classes and you could change to any of them during a round.. the change will just take effect the next time you die/spawn.

You just can't edit them during a game.. only in a lobby.

Ah awesome news then.
I am a assault guy anyways you know, but it would be nice to switch to SMG now and then at first, to trick both those weapons out.

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PS3: MGS4 - Metal Gear Online - Killzone 2 - Uncharted - Haze - DMC4 - God of War 3
360: Mass Effect - Assassin's Creed - Call of Duty 4 - DMC4 - Dark Sector - Ninja Gaiden 2 - Too Human - Fable 2 - Resident Evil 5

Milhouse

Since 6418 Days

Posted by GriftGFX

It's about the most "noob" feature the game offers, but it's not entirely uncommon for the cross hairs in many a game to change color to indicate that you're targeting an enemy and not a friendly.

Well, it's not only the color that makes it noob like. It's, because there is not a real collision detection on the enemy. If you target an enemy at a middle distance, the cross-hair gets so big and everything that is inside the crosshair is automatically hit. It doesn't consider the movement of the enemy, because on middle distance it's very likely that you shoot through the legs or through any other body hole when you don't target accuratly. And for contrast, HALO3's collision detection on enemies is more complex and requires you to accuratly target your enemy with the cross-hair. But i don't say that HALO3 is reference, because it's not although it plays more realistic than CoD4. I've never seen a more realistic weapon handling and collision detection on the enemy than Red Orchestra Ostfront. But also GRAW PC is miles away from CoD4.

and no more simple than many of your examples of FPS games that supposedly have vastly superior gameplay.

When i was naming all the games i was talking about gameplay. Gameplay contains much more than just weapon handling (that is really not strength of CoD2-4). But i don't expect CoD4 to be like HALO 3, because HALO is Scifi.
Like i said before i've played the CoD4 demo on veteran and well... it's rediculous. Even if they would add more enemies, it wouldn't be more challanging/better, because of the bad AI and very simple/unchallanging linear gameplay.

I understand if other people like CoD4, because it's like popcorn cinema. You see some cool graphics, don't have to think and the handling is easy (but unrealistic). But for me, it's not good gameplay. I am just buying CoD4 because of the graphics, but certainly not because of the gameplay.

PS. GriftGFX, the RPG is not the only weapon without recoil, also the MG has no recoil.... wait... it's because there is no recoil at all.

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[quote=GriftGFX]
It's about the most "noob" feature the game offers, but it's not entirely uncommon for the cross hairs in many a game to change color to indicate that you're targeting an enemy and not a friendly.
[/quote]

Well, it's not only the color that makes it noob like. It's, because there is not a real collision detection on the enemy. If you target an enemy at a middle distance, the cross-hair gets so big and everything that is inside the crosshair is automatically hit. It doesn't consider the movement of the enemy, because on middle distance it's very likely that you shoot through the legs or through any other body hole when you don't target accuratly. And for contrast, HALO3's collision detection on enemies is more complex and requires you to accuratly target your enemy with the cross-hair. But i don't say that HALO3 is reference, because it's not although it plays more realistic than CoD4. I've never seen a more realistic weapon handling and collision detection on the enemy than Red Orchestra Ostfront. But also GRAW PC is miles away from CoD4.

[quote]
and no more simple than many of your examples of FPS games that supposedly have vastly superior gameplay.
[/quote]

When i was naming all the games i was talking about gameplay. Gameplay contains much more than just weapon handling (that is really not strength of CoD2-4). But i don't expect CoD4 to be like HALO 3, because HALO is Scifi.
Like i said before i've played the CoD4 demo on veteran and well... it's rediculous. Even if they would add more enemies, it wouldn't be more challanging/better, because of the bad AI and very simple/unchallanging linear gameplay.

I understand if other people like CoD4, because it's like popcorn cinema. You see some cool graphics, don't have to think and the handling is easy (but unrealistic). But for me, it's not good gameplay. I am just buying CoD4 because of the graphics, but certainly not because of the gameplay.

PS. GriftGFX, the RPG is not the only weapon without recoil, also the MG has no recoil.... wait... it's because there is no recoil at all.

Sath

Since 6879 Days

We all know that COD4 SP is only for the story, don't count on mighty AI behavior.
If you want challenge, go online against REAL people.

Here is a real life Call of Duty 4 action! :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWG1yiRn2hY&mode=re...

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360: Mass Effect - Assassin's Creed - Call of Duty 4 - DMC4 - Dark Sector - Ninja Gaiden 2 - Too Human - Fable 2 - Resident Evil 5

ManThatYouFear

Since 6956 Days

Posted by GriftGFX

If anything has been dumbed down to a "kiddy" level, it's Rainbow Six and Ghost Recon. As for "noob" aiming -- I'll take "noob aiming" over blindfiring around corners and lines of sight that you shouldn't even have. Third person cameras in first person shooters? You can keep'm.

Ubisoft raped ghost recon :( the graws and recon 2 and summit strike can take there early leave for all i care, ubisoft killed there best shooter to date :(

Third person angles in first person ..... is awfull and pure shit, and takes away lot of strategy.

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My comments on this game/machine been good or bad does not mean i like/hate the machine i am not a fan nor a hater, just i have a opinion and wish to share it.

Sath

Since 6879 Days

The only thing I hate about GRAW series is that the character is sometimes in the middle of screen, which makes it hard to see on that side unless you aim there.
The controls and animations are clunky as hell, it makes you stuck in bushes, tree and such, places you don't want to go when you take turns and such.

RB6 Vegas is cool, but I gor bored after a view months, the same gameplay, same type of maps...etc.

The shooting is something I likes quite much really,FPS and when taking cover it goes to 3rd, I thought it was cool.

Howver, campers are the bitch in that game, they are behind cover and they just wait for someone to cross their sight and bam, your being shot at or thrown grenade at.

But other than that, very cool game.

I wish GRAW on the consoles was first person WITH gun, I think UbiSoft have much more potential to make it so.

The PC version is the verison I want to play on consoles because of the first person and gun model showing.

With the console version they are pretty much making reality Gears of War wghich much more tactical approach.

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The only thing I hate about GRAW series is that the character is sometimes in the middle of screen, which makes it hard to see on that side unless you aim there.
The controls and animations are clunky as hell, it makes you stuck in bushes, tree and such, places you don't want to go when you take turns and such.

RB6 Vegas is cool, but I gor bored after a view months, the same gameplay, same type of maps...etc.

The shooting is something I likes quite much really,FPS and when taking cover it goes to 3rd, I thought it was cool.

Howver, campers are the bitch in that game, they are behind cover and they just wait for someone to cross their sight and bam, your being shot at or thrown grenade at.

But other than that, very cool game.

I wish GRAW on the consoles was first person WITH gun, I think UbiSoft have much more potential to make it so.

The PC version is the verison I want to play on consoles because of the first person and gun model showing.

With the console version they are pretty much making reality Gears of War wghich much more tactical approach.

PS3: MGS4 - Metal Gear Online - Killzone 2 - Uncharted - Haze - DMC4 - God of War 3
360: Mass Effect - Assassin's Creed - Call of Duty 4 - DMC4 - Dark Sector - Ninja Gaiden 2 - Too Human - Fable 2 - Resident Evil 5

Sath

Since 6879 Days

Full list of the arsenal we get to choose from in Single Player and Multiplayer.

MULTIPLAYER

-Ac130
-Airstrike
-Ak47
-Ak74u
-Artillery
-at4
-aw50
-barrett
-beretta
-binoculars
-bomb
-bomb defuse
-c4
-claymore
-cobra20mm
-cobraFFAR
-colt45
-concussion grenade
-desert eagle
-dragunov
-flash grenade
-frag grenade
-g3
-g36c
-hindFFAR
-humvee50cal
-m1014
-m14
-m16
-m21
-m4
-m40a3
-m60e4
-mp44
-mp5
-p90
-remington700
-rpd
-SAW
-Skorpion
-usp
-uzi
-Winchester1200

SINGLEPLAYER

-50cal turret technical
-ac130(105/25/40mm)
-agm114
-Airstrike
-ak47
-ak74u
-at4
-aw50
-barrett
-barrett fake
-beretta
-binoculars
-bm21 missile
-bmp turret
-bog mortar turret
-bradley turret
-brick blaster(also on multi)
-brick bomb
-c4
-camera(10/20/30/45/5fov)
-claymore
-cobra20mm
-cobra air support
-cobra FFAR
-cobra hellfire
-cobra seeker
-cobra sidewinder
-cod3mg42 turret
-colt45
-default vehicle weapon
-desert eagle
-dog bite
-dragunov
-facemask
-flash grenade
-frag grenade
-g3
-g36c
-gp25
-heli minigun
-heli small arms
-heli spot light
-hindFFAR
-hind tmp rocket
-hind turret
-humvee50cal
-hunted crash missile
-javelin
-m1014
-m14
-m16
-m1a1
-m203
-m4
-m40a3
-m4m203
-m60e4
-mark19
-mg42
-mi28
-minigun player turret
-mp44
-mp5
-p90
-parabolic
-remington700
-rpd
-rpg
-sa6 missile
-saw
-skorpion
-slamraam missile
-smoke grenade
-stinger
-t72 turret
-usp
-uzi
-winchester1200
-zpu turret

Also 16 Multiplayer Maps confirmed!!

Source: http://www.n4g.com/News-74691.aspx and http://www.charlieoscardelta.com/

M4 Carbine and G36C is the only assault rifles I am gonna trick out, because those are my favorites.
Kind of a shame why they didn't add those new advanced ones from GRAW, like MRC-L or the new one in GRAW 2, would be bad ass :D

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Full list of the arsenal we get to choose from in Single Player and Multiplayer.

MULTIPLAYER

-Ac130
-Airstrike
-Ak47
-Ak74u
-Artillery
-at4
-aw50
-barrett
-beretta
-binoculars
-bomb
-bomb defuse
-c4
-claymore
-cobra20mm
-cobraFFAR
-colt45
-concussion grenade
-desert eagle
-dragunov
-flash grenade
-frag grenade
-g3
-g36c
-hindFFAR
-humvee50cal
-m1014
-m14
-m16
-m21
-m4
-m40a3
-m60e4
-mp44
-mp5
-p90
-remington700
-rpd
-SAW
-Skorpion
-usp
-uzi
-Winchester1200

SINGLEPLAYER

-50cal turret technical
-ac130(105/25/40mm)
-agm114
-Airstrike
-ak47
-ak74u
-at4
-aw50
-barrett
-barrett fake
-beretta
-binoculars
-bm21 missile
-bmp turret
-bog mortar turret
-bradley turret
-brick blaster(also on multi)
-brick bomb
-c4
-camera(10/20/30/45/5fov)
-claymore
-cobra20mm
-cobra air support
-cobra FFAR
-cobra hellfire
-cobra seeker
-cobra sidewinder
-cod3mg42 turret
-colt45
-default vehicle weapon
-desert eagle
-dog bite
-dragunov
-facemask
-flash grenade
-frag grenade
-g3
-g36c
-gp25
-heli minigun
-heli small arms
-heli spot light
-hindFFAR
-hind tmp rocket
-hind turret
-humvee50cal
-hunted crash missile
-javelin
-m1014
-m14
-m16
-m1a1
-m203
-m4
-m40a3
-m4m203
-m60e4
-mark19
-mg42
-mi28
-minigun player turret
-mp44
-mp5
-p90
-parabolic
-remington700
-rpd
-rpg
-sa6 missile
-saw
-skorpion
-slamraam missile
-smoke grenade
-stinger
-t72 turret
-usp
-uzi
-winchester1200
-zpu turret

Also 16 Multiplayer Maps confirmed!!

Source: http://www.n4g.com/News-74691.aspx and http://www.charlieoscardelta.com/

M4 Carbine and G36C is the only assault rifles I am gonna trick out, because those are my favorites.
Kind of a shame why they didn't add those new advanced ones from GRAW, like MRC-L or the new one in GRAW 2, would be bad ass :D

PS3: MGS4 - Metal Gear Online - Killzone 2 - Uncharted - Haze - DMC4 - God of War 3
360: Mass Effect - Assassin's Creed - Call of Duty 4 - DMC4 - Dark Sector - Ninja Gaiden 2 - Too Human - Fable 2 - Resident Evil 5

GriftGFX

Since 7013 Days

Posted by Milhouse

Well, it's not only the color that makes it noob like. It's, because there is not a real collision detection on the enemy. If you target an enemy at a middle distance, the cross-hair gets so big and everything that is inside the crosshair is automatically hit. It doesn't consider the movement of the enemy, because on middle distance it's very likely that you shoot through the legs or through any other body hole when you don't target accuratly. And for contrast, HALO3's collision detection on enemies is more complex and requires you to accuratly target your enemy with the cross-hair. But i don't say that HALO3 is reference, because it's not although it plays more realistic than CoD4. I've never seen a more realistic weapon handling and collision detection on the enemy than Red Orchestra Ostfront. But also GRAW PC is miles away from CoD4.

Once again, that's simply not true.

If you think there aren't advanced hit boxes in Call of Duty and you stroll into multiplayer you will get your ass handed to you by better players. Hipshots aren't very accurate to begin with, but they are functional at close-to-mid-range, because it doesn't take much damage to kill in Call of Duty.. but your perception of how the damage and collision detection system in COD4 works is just wrong.

There are a number of hit boxes, each with different damage assigned to it. Upper and lower chest, arms, neck, head, crotch, legs.. and that's just based on what's in Call of Duty 2. There's a good chance there are more hit boxes in COD4.

That's not even an opinion. And neither is the fact that the game has recoil. If it was just your opinion that the game had poor gameplay that would be one thing, but you're making wildly untrue claims about the games interpretation of hit detection and gunplay.

One more time for clearity:

The reticle never gets bigger just because you've highlighted an enemy -- the reticle only gets bigger to signify a loss in accuracy. Not every bullet will hit an enemy at mid-range. The smaller your reticle is the greater chance you have of hitting your target with every bullet, and bullets certainly can go through their legs.

There are a variety of hit boxes, and they all take different amounts of damage -- including the neck and head. Every weapon in the game interprets these different hit boxes.

There is recoil, and it's pretty damn obvious. All you need to do to see it is fire your weapon. But then again it's also pretty obvious that there is barely one thing about Halo 3's gunplay that you could even begin to call realistic (although it's certainly good -- it's about as close to realistic as UT or Quake) so I'm not really all that surprised that you can't see it.

Also, as dumb as the AI may be, at least they're smarter than the Combine.. and that game is excellent despite the dumb as bricks AI.

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[quote=Milhouse]Well, it's not only the color that makes it noob like. It's, because there is not a real collision detection on the enemy. If you target an enemy at a middle distance, the cross-hair gets so big and everything that is inside the crosshair is automatically hit. It doesn't consider the movement of the enemy, because on middle distance it's very likely that you shoot through the legs or through any other body hole when you don't target accuratly. And for contrast, HALO3's collision detection on enemies is more complex and requires you to accuratly target your enemy with the cross-hair. But i don't say that HALO3 is reference, because it's not although it plays more realistic than CoD4. I've never seen a more realistic weapon handling and collision detection on the enemy than Red Orchestra Ostfront. But also GRAW PC is miles away from CoD4.[/quote]

Once again, that's simply not true.

If you think there aren't advanced hit boxes in Call of Duty and you stroll into multiplayer you will get your ass handed to you by better players.  Hipshots aren't very accurate to begin with, but they are functional at close-to-mid-range, because it doesn't take much damage to kill in Call of Duty.. but your perception of how the damage and collision detection system in COD4 works is just [i]wrong[/i].

There are a number of hit boxes, each with different damage assigned to it.  Upper and lower chest, arms, neck, head, crotch, legs.. and that's just based on what's in Call of Duty 2.  There's a good chance there are more hit boxes in COD4.

That's not even an opinion.  And neither is the [i]fact[/i] that the game has recoil.  If it was just your opinion that the game had poor gameplay that would be one thing, but you're making wildly untrue claims about the games interpretation of hit detection and gunplay.

One more time for clearity:

The reticle never gets bigger just because you've highlighted an enemy -- the reticle only gets bigger to signify a loss in accuracy.  Not every bullet will hit an enemy at mid-range.  The [i]smaller[/i] your reticle is the greater chance you have of hitting your target with every bullet, and bullets certainly can go through their legs.

There are a variety of hit boxes, and they all take different amounts of damage -- including the neck and head.  Every weapon in the game interprets these different hit boxes.

There is recoil, and it's pretty damn obvious.  All you need to do to see it is fire your weapon.  But then again it's also pretty obvious that there is barely one thing about Halo 3's gunplay that you could even begin to call realistic (although it's certainly good -- it's about as close to realistic as UT or Quake) so I'm not really all that surprised that you can't see it.

Also, as dumb as the AI may be, at least they're smarter than the Combine.. and that game is excellent despite the dumb as bricks AI.

GriftGFX

Since 7013 Days

Posted by Sath

Weapon list

DEAGLE for MP confirmed.. sweeet. Nice number of maps too.. hopefully it will also grow with time.

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Sath

Since 6879 Days

DEAGLE is so boring, overrated if you ask me.
Its like a pistol/shotgun :P

I am going for the beretta regular classic :)

Yeah 16 maps are great :D

I hate those type of village/farm maps, I am more into indutrial or street type like Crash or the one map were they showed "Last Stand" perk footage for the first time.

But 16 is a very good amount of maps for sure.

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PS3: MGS4 - Metal Gear Online - Killzone 2 - Uncharted - Haze - DMC4 - God of War 3
360: Mass Effect - Assassin's Creed - Call of Duty 4 - DMC4 - Dark Sector - Ninja Gaiden 2 - Too Human - Fable 2 - Resident Evil 5

GriftGFX

Since 7013 Days

50 caliber stopping power in the palm of your hand. It's a sidearm good enough to be a primary weapon in most games. I'm all over that.

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Sath

Since 6879 Days

Posted by GriftGFX

50 caliber stopping power in the palm of your hand. It's a sidearm good enough to be a primary weapon in most games. I'm all over that.

Hehe yeah I do agree that its probably one or the best handgun to be considered as a b-primary weapon, the damage that bastard does its like amini hand-shotgun.

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360: Mass Effect - Assassin's Creed - Call of Duty 4 - DMC4 - Dark Sector - Ninja Gaiden 2 - Too Human - Fable 2 - Resident Evil 5

Dacs

Since 7087 Days

I think that the people who complained about the Dragunov being too powerful are going to change their attitude when up against a Barret or an AW50, especially the sniper has perks like extra damage and deep impact.

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UrukHaiPT

Since 6540 Days

Oh, 16 maps thats pretty good, and plenty weapons.

Cant wait until november. What a big month :D

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GriftGFX

Since 7013 Days

That list is missing the M203 in the MP category. I wonder if there are any other mistakes.

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anm8rjp

Since 7710 Days

16 MP maps!!!! Hoooray. I was hoping for more than 10. 16 and I bet some DLC maps in 2008.

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Sath

Since 6879 Days

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/26468.html
TV Spot

I hope I get to see it on TV :D

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360: Mass Effect - Assassin's Creed - Call of Duty 4 - DMC4 - Dark Sector - Ninja Gaiden 2 - Too Human - Fable 2 - Resident Evil 5

Milhouse

Since 6418 Days

Posted by GriftGFX

But then again it's also pretty obvious that there is barely one thing about Halo 3's gunplay that you could even begin to call realistic

Well GriftGFX, i've never said that HALO3s gunplay is realistic. I only said that it feels more realistic than CoD4. For example: the MG has no recoil in CoD4 (that's fact), but very heavy recoil in HALO3. Every weapon in CoD might look like real weapons, but nothing feels real and nothing plays real.
Even if there would be some recoil for some weapons that i didn't notice, the recoil is just unrealistic and not worth to mention when you compare to other games. I just don't see why you worhsip the game so much.

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