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Since 6971 Days

Posted by GriftGFX

Explain..you can't control vehicles well outside of the cockpit view in BF.

Most servers have the "nose cam" enabled and allowed 3rd person. Cockpits in many vehicles, esp 42, are so obtrustive you cannot see anything (PGR3 does a good job of not making it hard to see the actual road... some natural obstruction, but the road is still viewable imo).

As for 3rd person in BF series, I flew planes in 42 in 3rd person a lot, specifically when bombing. Jeeps always in 3rd person as their first person was offset and poorly done. In BF2 hummers and the buggies I am always 3rd person as again the cockpits were pretty poor IMO (at least in the hummer) and you do get a wider FOV. Jets and Helos I use the Nose Cam instead of Cockpit.

If a game does the cockpit well I am all for it. In BF games many (but not all) of the vehicles have obtrustive cockpits. Obviously the game genre has general issues (e.g. you are not flying at thousands of feet, and in general you don't want to be in a dive bombing position just to target, etc) but I don't think Dice has ever gone out of their way to make cockpits in ALL vehicles workable/enjoyable.

This is where PGR3 shines IMO. When I have played I never felt like the cockpit made it impossible to race, and I felt much "closer" to the atmosphere -- almost like in a real car. After a while you kind of feel that way too... in 3rd person, yeah you see better, but it is more of a "game" whereas in the cockpit it is more of an "experience". And not a bad one IMO.

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[quote=GriftGFX]Explain..you can't control vehicles well outside of the cockpit view in BF.[/quote]

Most servers have the "nose cam" enabled and allowed 3rd person. Cockpits in many vehicles, esp 42, are so obtrustive you cannot see anything (PGR3 does a good job of not making it hard to see the actual road... some natural obstruction, but the road is still viewable imo).

As for 3rd person in BF series, I flew planes in 42 in 3rd person a lot, specifically when bombing. Jeeps always in 3rd person as their first person was offset and poorly done. In BF2 hummers and the buggies I am always 3rd person as again the cockpits were pretty poor IMO (at least in the hummer) and you do get a wider FOV. Jets and Helos I use the Nose Cam instead of Cockpit.

If a game does the cockpit well I am all for it. In BF games many (but not all) of the vehicles have obtrustive cockpits. Obviously the game genre has general issues (e.g. you are not flying at thousands of feet, and in general you don't want to be in a dive bombing position just to target, etc) but I don't think Dice has ever gone out of their way to make cockpits in ALL vehicles workable/enjoyable.

This is where PGR3 shines IMO. When I have played I never felt like the cockpit made it impossible to race, and I felt much "closer" to the atmosphere -- almost like in a real car. After a while you kind of feel that way too... in 3rd person, yeah you see better, but it is more of a "game" whereas in the cockpit it is more of an "experience". And not a bad one IMO.

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LEBATO

Since 7122 Days

The cockpit view in PGR3 is amazing, it's a bit too far, but still works nicely. The perfect cockpit view should only allow you to see like 1/3 of the wheel at most, that way you see more (outside, where it matters), and it's more realistic.

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GriftGFX

Since 7000 Days

Posted by Acert93

Most servers have the "nose cam" enabled and allowed 3rd person. Cockpits in many vehicles, esp 42, are so obtrustive you cannot see anything (PGR3 does a good job of not making it hard to see the actual road... some natural obstruction, but the road is still viewable imo).

As for 3rd person in BF series, I flew planes in 42 in 3rd person a lot, specifically when bombing. Jeeps always in 3rd person as their first person was offset and poorly done. In BF2 hummers and the buggies I am always 3rd person as again the cockpits were pretty poor IMO (at least in the hummer) and you do get a wider FOV. Jets and Helos I use the Nose Cam instead of Cockpit. Some games of simular nature let you aim in third person cam, which I don't particularly like.

If a game does the cockpit well I am all for it. In BF games many (but not all) of the vehicles have obtrustive cockpits. Obviously the game genre has general issues (e.g. you are not flying at thousands of feet, and in general you don't want to be in a dive bombing position just to target, etc) but I don't think Dice has ever gone out of their way to make cockpits in ALL vehicles workable/enjoyable.

This is where PGR3 shines IMO. When I have played I never felt like the cockpit made it impossible to race, and I felt much "closer" to the atmosphere -- almost like in a real car. After a while you kind of feel that way too... in 3rd person, yeah you see better, but it is more of a "game" whereas in the cockpit it is more of an "experience". And not a bad one IMO.

Ah okay..cockpit view is necesary for many vehicles in combat though--atleast the nose cam is--I like it that way :/ I wish there were a way to instantly switch back to cockpit cam from any other view, rather than a cycle view button, though. I actually like most of the vehicles cockpits..don't mind the ability to switch views, and it is necesary for some things (since many cockpits, like the helos and jets are rather obstructive).

I'm a tank, and I play almost exclusively in my cockpit view, only go to third person if I need to see directly behind myself quickly.

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[quote=Acert93]

Most servers have the "nose cam" enabled and allowed 3rd person. Cockpits in many vehicles, esp 42, are so obtrustive you cannot see anything (PGR3 does a good job of not making it hard to see the actual road... some natural obstruction, but the road is still viewable imo).

As for 3rd person in BF series, I flew planes in 42 in 3rd person a lot, specifically when bombing. Jeeps always in 3rd person as their first person was offset and poorly done. In BF2 hummers and the buggies I am always 3rd person as again the cockpits were pretty poor IMO (at least in the hummer) and you do get a wider FOV. Jets and Helos I use the Nose Cam instead of Cockpit.  Some games of simular nature let you aim in third person cam, which I don't particularly like.

If a game does the cockpit well I am all for it. In BF games many (but not all) of the vehicles have obtrustive cockpits. Obviously the game genre has general issues (e.g. you are not flying at thousands of feet, and in general you don't want to be in a dive bombing position just to target, etc) but I don't think Dice has ever gone out of their way to make cockpits in ALL vehicles workable/enjoyable.

This is where PGR3 shines IMO. When I have played I never felt like the cockpit made it impossible to race, and I felt much "closer" to the atmosphere -- almost like in a real car. After a while you kind of feel that way too... in 3rd person, yeah you see better, but it is more of a "game" whereas in the cockpit it is more of an "experience". And not a bad one IMO.[/quote]

Ah okay..cockpit view is necesary for many vehicles in combat though--atleast the nose cam is--I like it that way :/ I wish there were a way to instantly switch back to cockpit cam from any other view, rather than a cycle view button, though.  I actually like most of the vehicles cockpits..don't mind the ability to switch views, and it is necesary for some things (since many cockpits, like the helos and jets are rather obstructive).

I'm a tank, and I play almost exclusively in my cockpit view, only go to third person if I need to see directly behind myself quickly.

Acert93

Since 6971 Days

Oh, I use the nose cam if I can! But I wish the cockpits were done well enough that some servers did "cockpit only"... would rock for a WWII game! But yes, some vehicles require nose-cam like the Helos.

As for cycling... I use a hat switch on my joystick. I have left as Nose-cam, right as cockpit, up as 3rd person trail, and down as 3rd person look behind.

Tanks are the 1 where I use the cockpit and they are well done, although like you I will cycle to see if someone is laying stuff behind me!

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Optimusv2

Since 6892 Days

As a matter of fact in pgr3 I can ONLY play in the in car view... it isn't just a wow cool feature at all. PGR3 simply put sucks (in my opinion) without that in car view. It gives an overall better sense of speed than the outside view does.

The outside view of the car the game just feels so damn slow and I feel like I'm not really in control of the car, but inside the car its like I'm really the person driving it.

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Jin187

Since 6744 Days

Posted by Jato

Yeah this picture looks great and all, but it's not how it looks on your average HDTV.
I'm not quite sure what it is, I think it's the way the lighting is captured that makes it look more realistic, but the game never looks as realistic as that screen on your HDTV.

And yes, the cockpit view works like a charm and I do feel much more comfortable using it rather than a 3rd person view...

Maybe you need to try configuring your contrast or brightness levels on your HDTV or maybe you need to buy a decent HDTV because as you can see, this picture has been taken off screen, and it looks just as realistic as this on my TV.

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lukasblue

Since 6747 Days

This picture looks like it has been taken from hi-def projector. Pgr3 looks VERY good (photoreal) on projectors.

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SimonM7

Since 7023 Days

LCD brings out the insane jaggies in PGR3, while a plasma or projector fuzzies it up enough to hide them. Even on a CRT I'd claim the game looks more convincing than on an LCD TV.

It's a fair trade though, I find that almost every other game looks better on LCD, so...

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GriftGFX

Since 7000 Days

Posted by SimonM7

LCD brings out the insane jaggies in PGR3, while a plasma or projector fuzzies it up enough to hide them. Even on a CRT I'd claim the game looks more convincing than on an LCD TV.

It's a fair trade though, I find that almost every other game looks better on LCD, so...

Certainly looks better on CRT sets than it does on my Dell 24" LCD monitor--but I doubt the native resolution of 1900x1280 helps much. Still it looks good enough--games with 4XAA look extremely sharp though, in comparison.

Still, the jaggies, while aparent on my monitor, don't prevent it from being one of the best looking 360 games to date.

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Jato

Since 6877 Days

Posted by Jin187

Maybe you need to try configuring your contrast or brightness levels on your HDTV or maybe you need to buy a decent HDTV because as you can see, this picture has been taken off screen, and it looks just as realistic as this on my TV.

Well, I have a very decent HDTV, namely the Samsung Le26M51B.
I've tried many contrast and brightness levels, and none of those make the game look like that.
Also, that's exactly my point, when a picture is taken of a game running on an HDTV, it seems to add some sort of lighting effect that makes it look more realistic.
And I've seen this with several games, not just PGR3 and not just on my HDTV either...

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Since 7706 Days

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vspectra06

Since 7706 Days

Posted by Jato

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/4066/90ia3.jpg

Yeah this picture looks great and all, but it's not how it looks on your average HDTV.
I'm not quite sure what it is, I think it's the way the lighting is captured that makes it look more realistic, but the game never looks as realistic as that screen on your HDTV.

And yes, the cockpit view works like a charm and I do feel much more comfortable using it rather than a 3rd person view...

I'm the one who took that picture, and I can confirm the game looks better on my HDTV than what my digi-cam can capture.

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GriftGFX

Since 7000 Days

Blast from the past.

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LEBATO

Since 7122 Days

WTF? LOCK, DELETE, BAN.

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GriftGFX

Since 7000 Days

That's all a bit much, we'll just go with lock.

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