Forza Motorsport 2

kenshin2418

Since 6983 Days

Posted by Acert93

Another tip for T10... get someone who can drive to do the videos. Whoever is driving in the recent videos... stinks.

That would be Che, except in the last video some guy named Robful was driving against Che(MR2) with the Camaro .

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kenshin2418

Since 6983 Days

some new screens courtesy of Modus over at Gaf and his secret source :p
http://i17.tinypic.com/3149jyr.jpg
http://i17.tinypic.com/2j26df5.jpg
http://i18.tinypic.com/49gl0fb.jpg

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kenshin2418

Since 6983 Days

meh, triple post :/

http://i17.tinypic.com/4hk56qs.jpg

Same pic Neo posted earlier, but rehosted, also originally from Modus over at GAF too.

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When I cut myself, I bleed Rockets Red!

alimokrane

Since 6938 Days

MY GOD ... I cant wait for the damn thing anymore .. 5 freaking weeks to go here in Europe!!!

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Jin187

Since 6752 Days

That screen with that NSX looks herrendous, a prime example of how NOT to use photomode! The rest look great though, especially the Audi TT one.

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kenshin2418

Since 6983 Days

I believe he posted better pics of the NSX, but sadly, those were taken down :/

Anyway doesn't really matter, hopefully we will have a demo next week to make better ones :p

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Jin187

Since 6752 Days

Posted by Acert93

They have some great new shots (like this!) but they are clearing doing what they said they weren't: bullshots.

They dont look like Bullshots to me, infact the screen grabs of that vid look even more even better and more natural...

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Optimusv2

Since 6900 Days

The lines are driving me mad IGN points them out too.

"In the early goings, Forza is looking like a winner. Though the graphics aren't as impressive as some screens would lead people to believe (oh those blasted jaggies!), the framerate is perfect. And that's really what matters in a racer. There is quite a lot more to cover with Forza 2 -- Tuning, paint shop, damage, AI, the track. Good thing we have another month before Forza Motorsport 2 arrives in stores."

I don't usually complain about such minor things, but there is no reason a 360 title should have such jaggie issues I hope turn10 can sort it out.

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October 20th 2007 (A good day)

Scarface

Since 6994 Days

Posted by Jin187

They dont look like Bullshots to me, infact the screen grabs of that vid look even more even better and more natural...

man, this game looks so good in motion. and the replays aren't even 60fps

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Optimusv2

Since 6900 Days

How do they even have aliasing issues in a replay? Replays are 30fps as well perhaps enabling AA to 4X breaks some part of their game?

Not sure why its a problem even in a 30fps replay.

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October 20th 2007 (A good day)

Jin187

Since 6752 Days

Posted by Optimusv2

The lines are driving me mad

Opt, how are you watching it? Is it off your pc or via Media Center Extender to 360?
Because the Jaggies are crazy when i run it via media center but on my pc they are nowhere near as bad, and even better when i run it via xbox360 dashboard. I think it has something to do with Media Center running at 50hz

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Optimusv2

Since 6900 Days

Hmm whether I run it via pc or 360 there are tons of jaggies that just destroy how great the game looks and these are replays too.

I really hope they can rectify this before release.

Credit goes to 'one' from B3D for bringing it back up (though if you saw where it first came to light, you'd know why nobody is aware of it). During GDC, Game Watch had a ton of Forza 2 coverage, and some of it was technical. The article in question (here) indicates that Forza 2 changes the level of AA ranging through "OFF/2xMSAA/4xMSAA" depending on the system load, in order to maintain 60fps. If that is still in place, then it could account for the 2xMSAA we're seeing in those TXB images.

Now can we please get back to ogling over cars?

Very disappointing I think, but atleast the game will still be awesome.

It just seems that the aliasing in this game is more jarring than stuff shown in PGR3. I guess taking into consideration all else forza 2 is doing and the fact that all the stuff that falls off will stay on the track that they had to tone down the aa to maintain 60fps. It would've been a visually perfect game though I think without the AA problems.

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Hmm whether I run it via pc or 360 there are tons of jaggies that just destroy how great the game looks and these are replays too.

I really hope they can rectify this before release.

[quote] Credit goes to 'one' from B3D for bringing it back up (though if you saw where it first came to light, you'd know why nobody is aware of it). During GDC, Game Watch had a ton of Forza 2 coverage, and some of it was technical. The article in question (here) indicates that Forza 2 changes [b] the level of AA ranging through "OFF/2xMSAA/4xMSAA" [/b] depending on the system load, in order to maintain 60fps. If that is still in place, then it could account for the 2xMSAA we're seeing in those TXB images.

Now can we please get back to ogling over cars?  [/quote]

Very disappointing I think, but atleast the game will still be awesome.

It just seems that the aliasing in this game is more jarring than stuff shown in PGR3.  I guess taking into consideration all else forza 2 is doing and the fact that all the stuff that falls off will stay on the track that they had to tone down the aa to maintain 60fps.  It would've been a visually perfect game though I think without the AA problems.

Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

October 20th 2007 (A good day)

Jin187

Since 6752 Days

Posted by Optimusv2

Hmm whether I run it via pc or 360 there are tons of jaggies that just destroy how great the game looks and these are replays too.

I really hope they can rectify this before release.

Hmmm...I honestly dont see much at all when i run it on pc or 360 dash... anyway more screens!!

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bloodforge

Since 7001 Days

I don't notice any excessive jaggyness on my PC or 360(56in HDTV) in any of the videos, there is some on the roof of the cars when its shiny, but its minimal and I only notice when i'm actually looking for it(screenshots though you can notice it quite easily on the bright reflections).

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Optimusv2

Since 6900 Days

Gigantic HDTV maybe I should connect my 360 to my HDTV and watch it on that instead. I have my 360 connected to my pc monitor currently maybe thats the issue.

Is development on the game finished?

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October 20th 2007 (A good day)

CARB

Since 6561 Days

Posted by Optimusv2

The lines are driving me mad IGN points them out too.

what lines ??? look at the scren grabs jin posted no lines

thats a screengrab and no jaggies......and the ver we are looking at (from what ive made out from the vvv and forza forums is a couple of weeks old and the ver ign is talking about is allegedly even older, final code is going out to sites to "preview/review" next week)

forza 2 is going to seriously knock us for 6
i run the footage on my 360 and its smooth as.......(well we know how that saying goes)

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Acert93

Since 6978 Days

Posted by CARB

thats a screengrab and no jaggies

That is a downscaled screen shot from replay mode (notice the motion blur) @ 30fps (i.e. lower framerate = fewer MSAA drops). And yes, you can see jaggies. Just look at the bottom of the car door for obvious ones.

As IGN says the real game is showing more jaggies than what some of the screenshots Turn10 are showing us (720p gameplay where are you?). Why all the photomode stuff? Because Turn10 liead (surprise!) and 4xMSAA isn't always applied, instead it can drop to 2xMSAA -- and even no MSAA! -- to maintain the framerate.

So much for their holy triad 720p - 4xMSAA - 60fps.

How long did we have to bear through the hyperbole of 720p - 4xMSAA - 60fps? This was one of the ways they were better than other racers like PGR3 (only 2xMSAA).

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Wishlist: PGR4 with a FF wheel, 2K Legends Football, and Halo 3 with an XFPS controller. And I can dream that Halo Wars will be a Battlezone PC clone...

Optimusv2

Since 6900 Days

Yea Forza 2 really is a complete and utter marketing mess. It seems they've failed to keep quite a number of promises.

I'm buying forza 2, but lets hope they atleast deal with the aliasing before the game comes out because that's embarassing.

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October 20th 2007 (A good day)

Acert93

Since 6978 Days

Don't get me wrong, the game is still looking like a robust sim. The level of car customization -- both for performance and aesthetics -- is impressive and without playing the game myself it does seem they have a robust physics system. They have made up for last gens two biggest missing points -- FF and 60fps -- and have better online play, damage modelling is back, and strong AI. This is a complete game. The graphics have shaped up well, even if hit and miss, and broken promises/hype and all it is looking like the best racer on any console platform to date. Not the end all be all we were promised, but definately a great racer. It is deep so lets see how things shake out with the reviews. Who knows what hidden gems or horrors are in the game, but so far so good.

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Wishlist: PGR4 with a FF wheel, 2K Legends Football, and Halo 3 with an XFPS controller. And I can dream that Halo Wars will be a Battlezone PC clone...

Optimusv2

Since 6900 Days

Yea considering all the other strides they've made this really shouldn't matter, but the aliasing is driving me bonkers lol.

I guess they still have more development time left though.

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October 20th 2007 (A good day)

Milhouse

Since 6412 Days

Is there any proof about this claim? If it would be a variable AA, the game would noticable flicker. The point is, that MSAA won't reduce the shader-aliasing. Play Test Drive Unlimited on PC with 4x "MSAA" and it looks like FM2 and has also some jaggies.

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Acert93

Since 6978 Days

The MSAA notes are from Dan himself at his GDC address this year. And yes, the game show significant shader aliasing as well as aliasing in reflections and render targets above and beyond edge aliasing.

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Milhouse

Since 6412 Days

Posted by Acert93

The MSAA notes are from Dan himself at his GDC address this year.

Can you give a link to the information?

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Acert93

Since 6978 Days

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=975785&po...

Translation with link to original article.

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LEBATO

Since 7129 Days

And people wonder why I simply believe this game looks acceptable and nothing else?

Come on. Forza 1 had extremely polygonal wheels (not the tire wheel, but what the driver uses to turn), and Forza 2 still has polygonal wheels. I dare anyone to take a photomode pic anywhere close to that "interior", I wonder how the driver manages to even see the shift stick in such pitch black darkness :P

And well, as far as graphics go, they have basically delivered about 1/2 of what they promised.

Perhaps this screenshot is not so far from the real game :|

http://media.1up.com/media?id=3212927&type=lg

EDIT:

People have taken the time to see how many races there will be. The result? 314 races total. Here's a breakdown by norm32

(if image is too big just edit my post mods, don't boulet time)

So basically. We'll be playing roughly 26 times on every track. And let's say a race lasts for ~5 minutes on average, that gives us 1570 minutes of "core gameplay" in career mode or ~26 hours.

Good or bad, I don't know.

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And people wonder why I simply believe this game looks acceptable and nothing else?

Come on.  Forza 1 had extremely polygonal wheels (not the tire wheel, but what the driver uses to turn), and Forza 2 still has polygonal wheels.  I dare anyone to take a photomode pic anywhere close to that "interior", I wonder how the driver manages to even see the shift stick in such pitch black darkness :P

And well, as far as graphics go, they have basically delivered about 1/2 of what they promised.

Perhaps this screenshot is not so far from the real game :|

http://media.1up.com/media?id=3212927&type=lg

EDIT:

People have taken the time to see how many races there will be.  The result?  314 races total.  Here's a breakdown by norm32

[img]http://forza.norm302.com/fm2/images/fm2_menu_structure.jpg[/img]
(if image is too big just edit my post mods, don't boulet time)

So basically.  We'll be playing roughly 26 times on every track.  And let's say a race lasts for ~5 minutes on average, that gives us 1570 minutes of "core gameplay" in career mode or ~26 hours.

Good or bad, I don't know.

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