That's it, this game sucks.
No buy.

So I think I'm definitely going to be getting this game but was wondering if it's worth getting the wireless wheel. Any opinions?

Yep, that right there is definitive review. No purchase, lol.

if u have money - buy it(standart ms wheel is ok, but fanatec wheel - the best http://forzamotorsport.net/en-us/news/The-Ultimate... )
but it plays cool on gamepad

Thanks for the feedback. I think I'm going to get the wheel. I've never used a logitech g25 or anything else of that quality, so it's not like i'll be comparing the microsoft one to that. Is the build quality decent?

"Che Team Forza:

We are the developers of Forza Motorsport 3. We can show off the game in any manner we want.

It's true, you won't be able to take photomode shots from within the cockpit, but then again, we never advertised that you'll be able to. But to show you that we've modeled the cockpits with all the detail, we can go into our debug menu and turn off camera clipping to allow us to go into the cars in photomode and take screenshots. Otherwise, it's the same photomode that everyone will use, except they won't be able to clip into the cockpit.

Sorry, it's not in the final game, but there were reasons for it.

Also, there is nothing about photomode that's bullshots except the player car model uses what you see in the UI and in the homespace. All other assets are exactly the same. The AI cars, the lighting on the track, the geometry of the track, etc. are all the same as what you see when you play the game. In fact, the cockpit you see when you play the game is exactly what we showed you with our cockpit screenshots.

Again, sorry you're disappointed you can't take photos in cockpits but that's how it is.

Also, you can't remove the driver model either, which is something we can do with the debug menu."


I find that absolutely disgusting, moreso than outright lying and trying to cover you tracks. The more this prick says the less i like him, i didnt mind him before the past week or so, but now i absolutely detest him.
There is so much wrong with the above statement i hardly know where to begin. Claiming that the interior is completely modelled is null and void if we can never actually see it. Its like claiming the entire world is modelled but you cant leave the confines of the track, totally and utterly impossible to prove from within the game. And tryin to justify the bullshots when all along he claimed they were ingame and we would have no issue making the exact same shots with our own hands.

I've come to terms with the disappointments in advancing the series in the manners that they claimed, just wish they would be a bit more honest and hold their hands up.

I'm struggling to find the "Outright lying" in your post :sIsnt that what this is...?

I said i found his comments MORE disgusting than the outright lying, i wasnt pointing out that the post contained lying. "We are the developers of Forza Motorsport 3. We can show off the game in any manner we want." is just disgusting on a whole other level, its like Sony coming out and justifying its target renders when they were found out at the initial E3 showin of the PS3, and telling everyone to piss off cause they dont care.

There is outright lying in that post however, "It's true, you won't be able to take photomode shots from within the cockpit, but then again, we never advertised that you'll be able to." They did advertise the fact, every time they posted new shots they claimed they were 100% genuine in engine taken with photo mode that we could replicate ourselves. They didnt come out with a disclaimer noting what we will and will not be able to see in the game.

"Also, there is nothing about photomode that's bullshots except the player car model uses what you see in the UI and in the homespace." See above, also, when youre advertising a product based around cars and the quality of them within your game, its best to show them as they will appear....in your game. All along showing these awesome models, and they are awesome, that we only ever see in the UI is just playing with smoke and mirrors.

"Sorry, it's not in the final game, but there were reasons for it." Ok, what reasons? This is the question that needs answering, considering how far short of expectations the visual bar has fallen.


Holding their hands up would be coming out and flatly saying the game is visually less than they advertised, ingame car models do not match any officially released video or screenshot. It's not saying, "we tricked you all along, haha, but its ok, cause the car models we showed you are in the UI, you can enjoy them there, and the photomode we were claiming was present wouldnt have appealed to you anyway, it wasnt there anyway, it was all dev commands that we never had any intention of implementing anyway"

Jin, the lies were before, now he's just in damage control mode. The fact of the matter is they knowingly lied. It wasn't just Che, it was a bunch of fools in there. The most honest of developers they had was fired/laid off/or he quit (I don't know), and the only true and honest information of Forza 3 came from that guy when FM3 was officially announced. Funny enough, Che being the ass that he is had the guts to deny pretty much everything that guy had said in GAF. Obviously, I'm not saying they lied about everything, they said 400+ cars and we get it, things they simply could not lie about they didn't.

I have to say I'm disappointed to know that one of my favorite racing games out there is made by a bunch of arrogant fools--I'm sure not nearly all, but the public face sucks ass. Starting from FM2 these people have gone down the drain, they should probably be more quiet like they were with FM1. They have to stop releasing deceiving pictures, stop talking crap, and stop outright lying. I don't want to come up with a list of stuff that was simply WRONG to show/imply/say/lie about during development, but I think those who truly followed the game's development know them already and need no list.

Well, you've got such a small portion of their BS. And like you said, the attitude is just awful. Here's one more, Chou Chou had said they had gotten the photomode fixed (when referring to the god-awful compression in FM2 photomode), a few days ago, people starting posting pics that had gone through FM.net, and the true look of PM came to light. The fact of the matter is that we the player will *NEVER* be able to reproduce what they did with the marketing shots, even though it was repeated over and over that what we were seeing was simply photomode shots that we could all do when the game came out. Here's one more, and I'll leave it at that, there's nothing even remotely resembling a video editor.

EDIT: By the way, Che said he would talk to the team about improving the compression after release, lolololololol. The last time he "talked" to the developers we got an identical Honda S2000, just ask VSpectra.

In what way?
Ive lapped up everything theyve thrown our way, ive read everything posted by che, ive watched / read pretty much every interview they have given. Im only recoiling because i feel stung, and everything ive said is based upon things that turn10 themselves have claimed. If in some way i have misinterpreted their intentions then i apologise, but i'm only taking their quotes on face value, "these screenshots were taken using photo mode," and "we do not swap models at any time, what you see in these screens are what the game looks like" can only be interpreted in so many ways.

Well, if he did state that the photo mode models and the actual in-game models are 100% the same, which I strongly believe he did, then that would absolutely be classified as lying unless he honestly didn't know that higher quality models were being swapped in.

As a matter of fact, I distinctly remember some poster on GAF being torn a new one, possibly by Che himself, over the mere suggestion that higher quality models were used in replays. Ultimately though, it don't care so much because the game looks amazing, but there does appear to have been some very misleading statements made, either on purpose or entirely by accident.

None of that will stop this from being an incredible game, however, and possibly the best racer we see all gen, even if it won't necessarily have the best graphics. Lord knows I need something else besides Batman to hold me over, because 2K totally screwed up by rushing out an unfinished game with NBA 2K10, so I can't even play and enjoy that :(

Great review, some stuff needs skipped, but lotsa good footage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VID_ndJJ3pI&feature...

Acert, im not tryin to troll, i said then i wasnt and im not now. What i am is disappointed in what has been lost, what is there is still impressive, but it could and should have been so much more, especially after their own claims.
I know features get removed or toned down in many games, but they generally dont hang their games on the features they are gonna cut, or have no intention of including.

And yes, i did pay attention to anything they put out, for a time the info was scarce, there was the post on GAF from the ex employee before the game was even announced, then small dribbles of info since E3, until the gates opened the past month or so. Ive read most things Che has posted, usually on GAF, and if I shouldnt hold his words as gospel then he shouldnt be a community face for anything. I have been hugely enthusiastic almost every time new shots or new info was posted, i was tripping over my own tongue every time, the shots were just stunning, they were instantly recognisable as FM3, the detail was just incredible, i wholly bought into the fact that what they were showing WAS forza 3, bar for maybe some AA, AF and MB which im sure most people have been able to see through. I even tried reasoning with people who claimed "bullshots" here on this very site pretty much every time shots came out along with the whole "plastic" thing.

I guess im the fool for believing what we were being shown was the actual game. After that vid above though, im itching to get the game along with renewing my live, the multiplayer looks and sounds great, the cockpit mode has grown on me a little aswell, its not what i wanted or expected, but its better than what we had. Plus im in the same boat as Optimus, desperately in need of something to play, importin demons souls will cost a small fortune, uncharted 2 beta has annoyed me with its shooting mechanics and MW2 is still a while off.

I had one, but then I gave it to my sister as a birthday gift. It was totally brand new with my copy of The World Ends With You.

I always regret not beating that game.

Here's a brilliant high octane 1v1 video on Nurb with some really good driving. The sense of speed is great especially for a cockpit view (Imagine what it will be like using the bumper cam!).

The engine noise is majestic :D :D :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OI4M_hcgpxM&feature...

That Audi looks rediculous with all those spoilers etc.. Very cool video though.. :P

9/10 from eurogamer
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/forza-motorsport...

Nice! Very well written review, a good read indeed, Just 10 more days!!!!

Holy crap, I wish I could drive like that.

http://forums.forzamotorsport.net/forums/permalink...

Awww man, so want some direct feed pics of that. If we can fix the ingame cam by just messin with the FOV then damn.