Heavenly Sword IGN UK Review...

Since 6804 Days

opt wtf are you talking about

jade empire was good game, one of the best last gen. so immersive, good story, mini games

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Optimusv2

Since 6908 Days

Posted by gmulis

opt wtf are you talking about

jade empire was good game, one of the best last gen. so immersive, good story, mini games

I'm not suggesting it isn't gmulis, but a great deal of people here have said its a disappointment and that it didn't deservea 9.8 or was it a 99? from IGN. I think people looking at heavenly sword getting a 7 from ign and calling it a flop is a bit sheepish. Just how easily are people's opinions of a game they've seen and liked swayed? If Mass Effect received a 7.7 or 8.1 would people call that a flop too? Would people lose total faith in that as well?

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Ronsauce

Since 7001 Days

Posted by Optimusv2

Why are people so quick to write a game off after some reviews lol. One would think some guys wouldn't allow other people to make their minds up for them.

What about the people who already had worries about the game, and then the reviews merely reinforced them? If I thought the combat looked boring(which I mentioned way back in a Conan thread :P ) and the reviews reinforce this, would it not make sense to then write the game off?

Posted by Optimusv2

If it isn't a 9 its a flop? Or does that apply to 8.6 and above?

For people with limited gaming budgets, 7's equal no purchase. Renting is a viable option, so why would someone opt to buy an average-rated game as opposed to one that is getting high 8's and 9's?

Granted, just because a game gets some 7's doesn't mean it's a "flop" per say. However, when it has such high production values and is the oft mentioned reason people would purchase the platform the game is on, such average review scores certainly nudge it a little closer to the flop end of the spectrum.

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[quote=Optimusv2]Why are people so quick to write a game off after some reviews lol.  One would think some guys wouldn't allow other people to make their minds up for them.
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What about the people who already had worries about the game, and then the reviews merely reinforced them?  If I thought the combat looked boring(which I mentioned way back in a Conan thread :P ) and the reviews reinforce this, would it not make sense to then write the game off?

[quote=Optimusv2]
If it isn't a 9 its a flop?  Or does that apply to 8.6 and above?[/quote]

For people with limited gaming budgets, 7's equal no purchase.  Renting is a viable option, so why would someone opt to buy an average-rated game as opposed to one that is getting high 8's and 9's?

Granted, just because a game gets some 7's doesn't mean it's a "flop" per say.  However, when it has such high production values and is the oft mentioned reason people would purchase the platform the game is on, such average review scores certainly nudge it a little closer to the flop end of the spectrum.

Ronsauce

Since 7001 Days

Posted by Optimusv2

If Mass Effect received a 7.7 or 8.1 would people call that a flop too? Would people lose total faith in that as well?

If the reason for the 7.7 or 8.1 was due to shortcomings I was worried the game would have, then I almost certainly wouldn't buy the game. It really ends up coming down to WHY the game gets such a score. If the game is short and repetitive ala Heavenly Sword, then I'd pass. If the game features broken controls and glitchy graphics, I'd pass as well. If the game was docked points because it didn't have a MP mode that it didn't need in the first place, then heck, I'm fine with that and would probably get it.

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LEBATO

Since 7137 Days

Optimus, I don't think you understand the art of a flop.

If a game does not score a 9, it doesn't make it a flop, but if the hype was for that of a AAA game, and the game does not score that, then yes, it is a flop.

Word definition:
Flop--a game that fails to meet the general public's expectations.

The Mass Effect example is a really bad one. That fool doing a PREVIEW said things that we have found not to be true. Or do we need anything other than the video showing the conversation between shepard and wrex to counter the claim?

And once again, it's a preview. And yes, if Mass Effect does not score a 9 or more it'll be considered a flop I'd say. That game has gotten so much hype it's not even funny. And that's not just from on site, it would have to be some sort of average from the most respected sites/mags.

What IGN is telling us about HS's gameplay is something we can't counter because we haven't played it to the extent they have. How do you know the combat does not get boring/repetitive? How do you know how annoying the ranged combat can get? Why should they lie about the game's lenght?

Sure, it's one review only, but it's not the score only, it's what was said about it. To you, it might be too early to call it a flop, but to me, what was said about it will not get it much higher in scale with any other slightly respected review site/mag.

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Optimus, I don't think you understand the art of a flop.

If a game does not score a 9, it doesn't make it a flop, but if the hype was for that of a AAA game, and the game does not score that, then yes, it is a flop.

Word definition:
Flop--a game that fails to meet the general public's expectations.

The Mass Effect example is a really bad one.  That fool doing a PREVIEW said things that we have found not to be true.  Or do we need anything other than the video showing the conversation between shepard and wrex to counter the claim?

And once again, it's a preview.  And yes, if Mass Effect does not score a 9 or more it'll be considered a flop I'd say.  That game has gotten so much hype it's not even funny.  And that's not just from on site, it would have to be some sort of average from the most respected sites/mags.

What IGN is telling us about HS's gameplay is something we can't counter because we haven't played it to the extent they have.  How do you know the combat does not get boring/repetitive?  How do you know how annoying the ranged combat can get?  Why should they lie about the game's lenght?

Sure, it's one review only, but it's not the score only, it's what was said about it.  To you, it might be too early to call it a flop, but to me, what was said about it will not get it much higher in scale with any other slightly respected review site/mag.

Acert93

Since 6986 Days

I will give you this, Lebato, I do agree with your definition of flop. A 1st party title with a huge budget and marketing campaign that doesn't break the 8.5 barrier in average, doesn't sell well, and/or doesn't have a really, really compelling gameplay design/mechanic is a flop. It doesn't make it a bad game--it just means it undelivered.

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Optimusv2

Since 6908 Days

Posted by Acert93

I will give you this, Lebato, I do agree with your definition of flop. A 1st party title with a huge budget and marketing campaign that doesn't break the 8.5 barrier in average, doesn't sell well, and/or doesn't have a really, really compelling gameplay design/mechanic is a flop. It doesn't make it a bad game--it just means it undelivered.

Well I think HS will sell well. Hell even BD (which is the big flop now according to some) sold 350,000+ in japan so europe and usa combined should make it a very successful first effort for Mistwalker.

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GrimThorne

Since 6888 Days

Posted by dcdelgado

Thats not a review ops, its a preview from a guy standing in a crowd at PAX watching someone play through a 20min demo, also its not even a reputible website when have you ever read one of there reviews? and i far as i can tell their previews and reviews are written by regular bloggers rather than journalists, so bias' are sure to show up.

Now i'm not saying that IGN/GS/EDGE ect.. are going to love it, but at least they are
official gaming sites and know what there talking about most of time, to use this Destructiod site in your example bears no weight.

I think that OptimusV2 was trying to show how just about anyone could butcher a game in a review or preview.

I've never heard of this guy Orcist before, his preview is obviously satirical but not very informative. He's seems more interested in delivering his punchlines than actually telling us about the game.

Nothing about character creation, nothing about loading times or any of things that more respected game sites make a point of expounding upon. He just lampoons the game with a lazy approach to details.

"The gameplay looks like your standard FPS fare"

I finished the article but that pretty much did it for me.

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[quote=dcdelgado]

Thats not a review ops, its a preview from a guy standing in a crowd at PAX watching someone play through a 20min demo, also its not even a reputible website when have you ever read one of there reviews? and i far as i can tell their previews and reviews are written by regular bloggers rather than journalists, so bias' are sure to show up.

Now i'm not saying that IGN/GS/EDGE ect.. are going to love it, but at least they are  
official gaming sites and know what there talking about most of time, to use this Destructiod site in your example bears no weight.[/quote]

I think that OptimusV2 was trying to show how just about anyone could butcher a game in a review or preview.

I've never heard of this guy Orcist before, his preview is obviously satirical but not very informative.  He's seems more interested in delivering his punchlines than actually telling us about the game.

Nothing about character creation, nothing about loading times or any of things that more respected game sites make a point of expounding upon. He just lampoons the game with a lazy approach to details.

"The gameplay looks like your standard FPS fare"

I finished the article but that pretty much did it for me.

dcdelgado

Since 6875 Days

Posted by GrimThorne

I think that OptimusV2 was trying to show how just about anyone could butcher a game in a review or preview.

And what i'm saying is that IGN/GS/1UP/Edge are not just anyone but respected gaming sites/magazines, and if there all saying the same thing about a game then theres a good chance its true.

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Optimusv2

Since 6908 Days

Posted by dcdelgado

And what i'm saying is that IGN/GS/1UP/Edge are not just anyone but respected gaming sites/magazines, and if there all saying the same thing about a game then theres a good chance its true.

Respected by SOME and just like anyone else who gives their opinion on a game they can be capable of being dead wrong as well. With Bioshock out who is going to bother to give 2 craps about a game like BD aside from people like myself?

Not many so I expect Blue Dragon to be dragged through the pervibial mud when it comes to reviews. I'll read what gamespot had to say (even if I totally disagree), but IGN, 1up, Edge I could care less what they have to say. I've all seen them give reviews which I'd classify as EXTREMELY suspect or questionable. Not everyone respects those sites I can't point out many occassions where 1up, IGN AND edge were wrong about a game. Gamespot is usually the best at fair reviews from what I've seen, but even they aren't perfect.

Heavenly Sword is more their style of game, but even so I'm sure even that is feeling the after effects of reviewers drooling over Bioshock and giving other games not like it crap.

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[quote=dcdelgado]

And what i'm saying is that IGN/GS/1UP/Edge are not just anyone but respected gaming sites/magazines, and if there all saying the same thing about a game then theres a good chance its true.[/quote]

Respected by SOME and just like anyone else who gives their opinion on a game they can be capable of being dead wrong as well.  With Bioshock out who is going to bother to give 2 craps about a game like BD aside from people like myself?

Not many so I expect Blue Dragon to be dragged through the pervibial mud when it comes to reviews.  I'll read what gamespot had to say (even if I totally disagree), but IGN, 1up, Edge I could care less what they have to say.  I've all seen them give reviews which I'd classify as EXTREMELY suspect or questionable.  Not everyone respects those sites I can't point out many occassions where 1up, IGN AND edge were wrong about a game.  Gamespot is usually the best at fair reviews from what I've seen, but even they aren't perfect.

Heavenly Sword is more their style of game, but even so I'm sure even that is feeling the after effects of reviewers drooling over Bioshock and giving other games not like it crap.

Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

October 20th 2007 (A good day)

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of the greatest books ever.

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GriftGFX

Since 7016 Days

Posted by dcdelgado

And what i'm saying is that IGN/GS/1UP/Edge are not just anyone but respected gaming sites/magazines, and if there all saying the same thing about a game then theres a good chance its true.

You forgot Eurogamer..

And people aren't giving BD and Heavenly Sword lower scores because there's a great game shipping this month. Totally unrelated.. it is what it is. And you're not expected to agree with every review, but to expect every reviewer to like what he's playing is to discredit critical writing all together.

Of course, that still doesn't give anyone the right to troll a review thread with idiotic "I told you so!" comments either. And you don't have to respect critical writing, but being so critical of it is sorta strange if you ask me. Out of all of those publications mentioned, the only one I take particular issue with is 1up (and EGM) because the text (which is the most important part of a review, not the arbitrary scoring) is short and without much in the way of detail.

The whole idea of hating on a publication for hating a game you're anticipating is backwards though.. they have every write to be critical of any game.. since that is the nature of their job.

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[quote=dcdelgado]

And what i'm saying is that IGN/GS/1UP/Edge are not just anyone but respected gaming sites/magazines, and if there all saying the same thing about a game then theres a good chance its true.[/quote]

You forgot Eurogamer..

And people aren't giving BD and Heavenly Sword lower scores because there's a great game shipping this month.  Totally unrelated.. it is what it is.  And you're not expected to agree with every review, but to expect every reviewer to like what he's playing is to discredit critical writing all together.

Of course, that still doesn't give anyone the right to troll a review thread with idiotic "I told you so!" comments either.  And you don't have to respect critical writing, but being so critical of it is sorta strange if you ask me.  Out of all of those publications mentioned, the only one I take particular issue with is 1up (and EGM) because the [i]text[/i] (which is the most important part of a review, not the arbitrary scoring) is short and without much in the way of detail.

The whole idea of hating on a publication for hating a game you're anticipating is backwards though.. they have every write to be critical of any game.. since that is the nature of their job.

dcdelgado

Since 6875 Days

Ops no one is trying to change your mind here, but i for one will rent or borrow this title now (when i get a ps3 ;p) and not spend £50 of my hard earnt money on something were one of my only real worries about this title seems to be true, and it seems i shall finish it in a day and have no reason to play again, so for me and me only its a borrow of a friend.

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Optimusv2

Since 6908 Days

1up's BD review seemed like messageboard fan service. They were going for as many zingers as they could similar to destructoids Mass Effect preview. Funny enough though I don't think it'll really have any major impact on the sale of the game.

Only the people that didn't intend to get it in the first place will be swayed and essentially its now back to the way it was when the game was first announced and nobody saw its TGS showing. Only the hardcore of the hardcore (for that type of game) will want it. I thinkif anything it succeeds by being different from anything else on the 360. That way its pretty much assured the ones that buy the game is likely to be the sign of a different type of audience within the 360 fanbase. Heavenly Sword I'm going to check it out for myself personally only had a few complaints about the demo.

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deftangel

Since 6884 Days

I'm still buying Heavenly Sword regardless, having been in the fortunate position to have played a build already, I'm quite content with what I've seen to shell out for it, even if it is short and I end up trading it in for something else.

I spent £330 on a damn PS3 for the game, least I can do is play through it!

It does sound to me however, that the shooting/guiding projectiles mechanic is massively overdone. I didn't tire of it after 20 mins or so but if the game, already said to be short, is effectively shorter and padded out with too much of it then that is a big legitimate complaint and quite bad given 4 years and the budget laid out for this title.

A shame as the core gameplay is golden.

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