Heavenly Sword thread - First Review is up!

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deftangel
Since 6884 Days
Actually yes, how they present themselves is important, at least to me.

Well it's not even a review really, if you actually read it. Even a review in the official mags might attempt to critique the title a little or discuss its flaws, even if the scores they dish out are weighted to keep their paymasters happy. Moreover, they aren't published by a PR company either. It's journalists are happy to write under the "Official" banner. Not journalists pretending they are "independent" bloggers.

I'm not making any bones about the content of the review, I just shelled out a ton on a PS3 for this game and having been fortunate enough to play it, I have no need let alone care for their opinion on the subject. I just have a problem in Threespeech in general, there is something quite off-putting to their approach on matters. I know a couple of the guys working on the UK versions of the Official Mags (through Future) and I think it's a little harsh on them to be framing them in the same bracket as PR/Viral marketers.

The Penny-Arcade guys put it a lot better than I'm doing.
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Acert93 - Mr. Bad Cop
Acert93
Since 6986 Days
Posted by deftangel
Actually yes, how they present themselves is important, at least to me.
I agree. There is a thing called journalistic ethics and this is over the line.

As you have said, Major Nelson is clearly a MS employee, MS sponsored, and MS PR. They are up front about his relationship with MS and his role.

Official magazines--again, official. As in sanctioned/sponsored. The twist is there is some creative control on the staff. e.g. A PS mag editor said she wasn't getting a PS3 in 2006 because it was too expensive. Official magazines contain negative reviews and even sometimes critical comments. BUT the orientation is clear: official magazine aimed at being written "from the platform fans perspective" to fans who are readers. They are not industry magazines, but platform exclusive magazines. Hence the big platform games get overhyped and the overall inflated review scores -- fans like their games! That is why they buy the consoles.

And yet while being up front and having a "fair" market orientation they are still dismissed as being biased (they are), too narrow, and under critical.

We can dismiss Nelson because he is a shill. Up front about his status, and it invalidates him.

We can dismiss official mags because they are too close to the company, not industry oriented, and take a platform fan orienation.

If we are going to dismiss each of these for being what they are -- and being honest about it -- surely any outlet that walks the tight rope of deception to gain a perceptual mindshare gain is outright deceptive and must be questioned ethically.

Which casts doubts on anything they say. If OXM, OPM, and Nelson are disregarded, and rightly so, because of their affiliations -- should not Three Speach be dismissed even more so for the same affiliations BUT also deceptively covering them?

This sort of viral mind game crap harms the industry and, imo, can actually give fodder against an amazing game like HS. HS doesn't need the extra push like this.
The Penny-Arcade guys put it a lot better than I'm doing.
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I don't see how this would be any different than OPM or OXM giving a review. Just because its online?
OPM and OXM don't try to hide behind their affiliation and are a known orienation and quality. A Nintendo fan isn't going to read OXM and expect an opinion that is represenitive of the general market or Nintendo fans. And even then OXM can be critical of games as well as MS at times.
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The fans have spoken. Concerning the graphics of the Halo 3 Beta: "There's so many little effects and things going on that make this game pretty much 2nd only to Gears at the moment."

deftangel - Hot stuff!
deftangel
Since 6884 Days
I don't particulary disregard Nelson or the official mags, they are what they are. Though I don't listen to the former much these days, I always enjoyed his show and I think he's a good link to the community for MS. He has at least some humilty about him, takes all the flak when it comes without any complaints and whilst he's always "on message" of course, isn't so brazenly PR or Marketing to be that annoying.

I can only speak for the UK official mags but they are run by the biggest media publisher over here and at least employ proper journalists. I'm sure they've got their constraints, I'm not so nieve to think they haven't but they say their piece at times.

The original comments about Threespeech were in the Penny Arcade podcast so I don't have a link. I think Google may turn up a transcription but I didn't post it as I couldn't tell how much it was paraphrased. Gamesetwatch posted an interesting read at the time though;- http://www.gamesetwatch.com/2006/11/three_speech_b...

I think it'll die a death soon enough though. The Playstation.Blog is much better.
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alimokrane
alimokrane
Since 6946 Days
Found this nice comparion collection of screens of the state of the game in 2005 and now
http://www.image-serveur.com/uploads/c7eff0a7d4.jp...

the game has certainly come a long way.
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Sath - Missed the<br>hay
Sath
Since 6882 Days
Awesome Alimo :D

The 2007 looks much better, but the hair in 2005 looks much more solid and better.
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Playing: Ninja Gaiden Sigma - Hard Mode!
PS3: Heavenly Sword - Lair - Killzone 2 - Dark Sector - God of War 3 - MGS4 - Uncharted - Haze
360: Mass Effect - Assassin's Creed - Ninja Gaiden 2 - DMC4 - Too Human - Fable 2 - Resident Evil 5

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kenshin2418
Since 6991 Days
Posted by alimokrane
Found this nice comparion collection of screens of the state of the game in 2005 and now
http://www.image-serveur.com/uploads/c7eff0a7d4.jp...

the game has certainly come a long way.
Hot Sauce!

Oh wait, that's not really anything new..


Mild Sauce! then
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all good things must come to an end

wuca
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Jin187
Jin187
Since 6760 Days
She now looks like Tyra Banks, FIT!
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alimokrane
alimokrane
Since 6946 Days
Awesome, Awesome, AWESOME ... Loving the Music! loving everything!
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kenshin2418 - Junior Detective
kenshin2418
Since 6991 Days
So awesome! This game is going to be the stuff
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Sath - Missed the<br>hay
Sath
Since 6882 Days
Bad ass!!!

Damn it I want this game now, and September is like around the corner!
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Playing: Ninja Gaiden Sigma - Hard Mode!
PS3: Heavenly Sword - Lair - Killzone 2 - Dark Sector - God of War 3 - MGS4 - Uncharted - Haze
360: Mass Effect - Assassin's Creed - Ninja Gaiden 2 - DMC4 - Too Human - Fable 2 - Resident Evil 5

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Phaethon360
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Phaethon, the forum Spectre.

kenshin2418 - Junior Detective
kenshin2418
Since 6991 Days
talk about arrows on steroids :p

Anyway, kind of boring to look at, probably because the guy spammed the guide arrow feature a bit too much for my taste.
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Phaethon360 - Mr Pant<s>s</s>ies
Phaethon360
Since 6861 Days
That guy sucked. He did a horrible job at protecting those dozens of armed soldiers from that feeble, dying old man :P.
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kenshin2418 - Junior Detective
kenshin2418
Since 6991 Days
Posted by Phaethon360
That guy sucked. He did a horrible job at protecting those dozens of armed soldiers from that feeble, dying old man :P.
hahah :p
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