Shadowrun Impressions

LEBATO

Since 7126 Days

So 7 is utter crap now. Whatever man.

I didn't say utter, I just said crap.

Yeah.. except that is not what they're saying. 7's not utter crap. You're just full of it.

They say ~7s, I say a 7 for an fps means a crap game.

Well Gamespot gave PD0 a 9.0 -- so it must be great compared to Shadowrun!

Well yeah, pretty much.

Just because there hasn't been a great FPS released since Battlefield 2 doesn't mean we can't enjoy games that are less than great. I'd rather try out Shadowrun than waste my time with half of the games you've mentioned, mostly because I've already played them.

You'd rather do that, I'd rather not :D

And yeah, CSS is a great value on Xbox 360. Totally. Best version of the game yet! It also doesn't have broken hit boxes or anything either. Great game.

Are we forgetting this is also a PC game? And that about the broken hit boxes was a cheap shot considering console shooters have huge hitboxes and auto-aim (not complaining, just sayin)..........

lol.

I didn't mean it that way. I meant I can't be wrong about me not liking Shadowrun.

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[quote]So 7 is utter crap now. Whatever man.[/quote]

I didn't say utter, I just said crap.

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Yeah.. except that is not what they're saying. 7's not utter crap. You're just full of it.
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They say ~7s, I say a 7 for an fps means a crap game.

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Well Gamespot gave PD0 a 9.0 -- so it must be great compared to Shadowrun!
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Well yeah, pretty much.

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Just because there hasn't been a great FPS released since Battlefield 2 doesn't mean we can't enjoy games that are less than great. I'd rather try out Shadowrun than waste my time with half of the games you've mentioned, mostly because I've already played them.
[/quote] You'd rather do that, I'd rather not :D

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And yeah, CSS is a great value on Xbox 360. Totally. Best version of the game yet! It also doesn't have broken hit boxes or anything either. Great game.[/quote]
Are we forgetting this is also a PC game?  And that about the broken hit boxes was a cheap shot considering console shooters have huge hitboxes and auto-aim (not complaining, just sayin)..........

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lol.[/quote]
I didn't mean it that way. I meant I can't be wrong about me not liking Shadowrun.

TheBeagle

Since 6609 Days

Grift, you managed to quote my post which is after yours. Crazy shit. Ah whatever. Im enjoying the hell outa this game and so are a buttload of people on live. Couldnt care less if reviews dont think its worth the money. I havent read a single review that says the game is bad. Quite the opposite. Most say the gameplay is fun and fresh each game. If they release a few more maps and maybe some more game modes this game will be perfect to me.

Edit - Lebato where did that CSS comment come from ? That game doesnt exist on the 360. Just so you know the hitboxes in shadowrun are not very forgiving as a matter of fact. It's much harder to get a headshot in shadowrun than GOW or Halo. Its so funny in CS when you shoot a guy in the foot and get a headshot. WTF is that ?

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LEBATO

Since 7126 Days

Posted by TheBeagle

Edit - Lebato where did that CSS comment come from ? That game doesnt exist on the 360. Just so you know the hitboxes in shadowrun are not very forgiving as a matter of fact. It's much harder to get a headshot in shadowrun than GOW or Halo. Its so funny in CS when you shoot a guy in the foot and get a headshot. WTF is that ?

Are we forgetting this [shadowrun] is also a PC game?

And I'd love to shoot a guy in the foot and get a headshot, I'd really love to do that. It hasn't happened to me once, bad luck I guess. I would call that lag though, but whatever, there must be something to it that makes it (probably) the most played MP game out there. One would think if the problem was as serious as you make it sound no one would play the game.

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GriftGFX

Since 7004 Days

They say ~7s, I say a 7 for an fps means a crap game.

See the problem with this approach to reviewing a game. A seven on the Gamespot scale is "good" -- which means by saying a game is good, essentially to you they're saying it's crap.

Read the text, it's a much better way using a critic.

Are we forgetting this is also a PC game? And that about the broken hit boxes was a cheap shot considering console shooters have huge hitboxes and auto-aim (not complaining, just sayin)..........

Eh, the PC version may as well not exist in this case. It will be the greatest flop of them all.. and I guess I was just sayin.. CSS has plenty of its own flaws. Is it a great value? Yeah it came free with my copy of Half Life 2.. can't beat that!

A low blow though? It's just the truth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdRpYaQA8cU
The hitbox design in CSS is crap. I don't have much room to talk though.. I play BF2.

I would call that lag though, but whatever, there must be something to it that makes it (probably) the most played MP game out there.

No most people prefer CS 1.6 according to Gamespy's most recent statistics:

http://archive.gamespy.com/stats/

And it's third to WoW and COD2 on Xfire... anyway. Enough of this CSS nonsense. Back to Shadowrun.

Hopefully the DLC for this game is free. There's really no excuses here. But regardless.. the amount of content and variety only make up so much of what a good game is. Value is another issue.

I obviously agree on the value thing.. I don't own it after all :/

Well yeah, pretty much.

Just.. no. PD0 is perfect evidence of just how useless scores are. That review was written by one of my favorite critics, and it's horrible. You can only count on them for so much information. Frankly I find the MLG review a lot more interesting.. it makes me want to try the game.

Grift, you managed to quote my post which is after yours. Crazy shit.

I have crazy powers. Time travel or some shit.

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[quote]They say ~7s, I say a 7 for an fps means a crap game.[/quote]

See the problem with this approach to reviewing a game.  A seven on the Gamespot scale is "good" -- which means by saying a game is good, essentially to you they're saying it's crap.

Read the text, it's a much better way using a critic.

[quote]Are we forgetting this is also a PC game? And that about the broken hit boxes was a cheap shot considering console shooters have huge hitboxes and auto-aim (not complaining, just sayin)..........[/quote]

Eh, the PC version may as well not exist in this case.  It will be the greatest flop of them all.. and I guess I was just sayin.. CSS has plenty of its own flaws.  Is it a great value?  Yeah it came free with my copy of Half Life 2.. can't beat that!

A low blow though?  It's just the truth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdRpYaQA8cU
The hitbox design in CSS is crap.  I don't have much room to talk though.. I play BF2.

[quote]I would call that lag though, but whatever, there must be something to it that makes it (probably) the most played MP game out there.[/quote]

No most people prefer CS 1.6 according to Gamespy's most recent statistics:

http://archive.gamespy.com/stats/

And it's third to WoW and COD2 on Xfire... anyway.  Enough of this CSS nonsense.  Back to Shadowrun.

Hopefully the DLC for this game is [i]free[/i].  There's really no excuses here.  But regardless.. the amount of content and variety only make up so much of what a good game is.  Value is another issue.

I obviously agree on the value thing.. I don't own it after all :/

[quote]Well yeah, pretty much.[/quote]

Just.. no.  PD0 is perfect evidence of just how useless scores are.  That review was written by one of my favorite critics, and it's horrible.  You can only count on them for so much information.  Frankly I find the MLG review a lot more interesting.. it makes me want to try the game.

[quote]Grift, you managed to quote my post which is after yours. Crazy shit.[/quote]

I have crazy powers.  Time travel or some shit.

Acert93

Since 6975 Days

I think this game is a tragedy of development really. They have some good ideas, even good implimentation. I think as far as deep FPS goes, this is one of the better efforts in a long while. But basically being online only with few maps, average graphics, trying to match PC gamers with Console gamers by gimping controls, and misapplying an IP (which upsets said fans) are all big negatives. Toss in the darth of market placement/hype in a year with a ton of hyped FPS it just doesn't have a chance. I was pretty cynicle about this game during development (for a lot of reasons which are showing up in reviews), but it seems they actually have contributed something to the genre in gameplay. But gameplay isn't enough: you need value and market placement as well as initial appeal. And it is lacking all of those at this point which is really too bad. This would be a good $29 Xbox Live downloadable game though...

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TheBeagle

Since 6609 Days

Posted by LEBATO

And I'd love to shoot a guy in the foot and get a headshot, I'd really love to do that. It hasn't happened to me once, bad luck I guess. I would call that lag though, but whatever, there must be something to it that makes it (probably) the most played MP game out there. One would think if the problem was as serious as you make it sound no one would play the game.

Oh it happens a lot and its not lag. You took this the wrong way. I wasn't trying to put down CS. Its a fantastic game. I was just wondering why you said CSS on 360 cause that doesnt exist. You will find that a lot of people consider the hit boxes in CSS to be terrible. If this was a dig at shadowruns well I've already mentioned that they are perfectly reasonable. I find Halo's hitboxes to be waaaaay to forgiving. You can often hit a good distance to the left or right of an enemys head.

Maybe this is getting a little heated. I like the game. Lebato doesnt (know yet) :p

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LEBATO

Since 7126 Days

Posted by TheBeagle

I was just wondering why you said CSS on 360 cause that doesnt exist.

I know CSS on Xbox is nowhere to be found, I just thought it fit the comparison because Shadowrun is also on PC and Shadowrun took a lot of things from CSS.

And yeah that video Grift linked to shows some problem with the hit-boxes, a bit too far at times, but I just don't believe you shoot a guy in the foot and get a headshot, that's just too much and nowhere near what that video shows.

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TheBeagle

Since 6609 Days

Na I know that video isn't showing that. I'm not saying that if you literally get a bot and have it stand still then stop...take careful aim...and shoot him in the foot then you will get a headshot. At times, though, you will be shooting away at a guy and he will jump and your reticle will end up somewhere around his foot-ish region and BAM. Headshot. Its not just the foot though. I was using that as an example. The hit boxes are often just plain messed up. Enough of that though. Way off topic.

Let me just re-establish something about Shadowrun hitboxes. they are not huge hitboxes and the game does not have severe auto-aim. Getting a headshot in this game actually takes a lot of skill. (360 version I'm talking about).

Got nothing against you Lebato but this thread was going alright, and you had to come in and state the game was bad without even playing it. This thread is called impressions after all, and last time I checked you had to actually experience something to have an impression of it.

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Na I know that video isn't showing that. I'm not saying that if you literally get a bot and have it stand still then stop...take careful aim...and shoot him in the foot then you will get a headshot. At times, though, you will be shooting away at a guy and he will jump and your reticle will end up somewhere around his foot-ish region and BAM. Headshot. Its not just the foot though. I was using that as an example. The hit boxes are often just plain messed up. Enough of that though. Way off topic.

Let me just re-establish something about Shadowrun hitboxes. they are not huge hitboxes and the game does not have severe auto-aim. Getting a headshot in this game actually takes a lot of skill. (360 version I'm talking about).

Got nothing against you Lebato but this thread was going alright, and you had to come in and state the game was bad without even playing it. This thread is called impressions after all, and last time I checked you had to actually experience something to have an impression of it.

GriftGFX

Since 7004 Days

And yeah that video Grift linked to shows some problem with the hit-boxes, a bit too far at times, but I just don't believe you shoot a guy in the foot and get a headshot, that's just too much and nowhere near what that video shows.

Yea I wasn't trying to suggest that.. just that way that game is designed is a bit.. wacky.

I think this game is a tragedy of development really.

The life and death of FASA. I still hope for the best.. which at this point is skeleton support and hopefully a budding community on Xbox live.

This game is missing something important though, something that makes Dystopia the true cyberpunk FPS.. hacking/decking! Seriously.. wtf?

http://www.dystopia-game.com <- a great and probably superior in many ways cyberpunk game. Free TC for HL2. Seriously.. play it!

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TheBeagle

Since 6609 Days

lol dude I think you got the wrong link there.

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GriftGFX

Since 7004 Days

Sure did.

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LEBATO

Since 7126 Days

Posted by TheBeagle

This thread is called impressions after all, and last time I checked you had to actually experience something to have an impression of it.

Well that's new to me. So the soccer final is next week and I can't give my impressions on the game because I'm not a player? Ouch.

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TheBeagle

Since 6609 Days

Posted by LEBATO

Well that's new to me. So the soccer final is next week and I can't give my impressions on the game because I'm not a player? Ouch.

Talking about games here. Why so hostile ?

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LEBATO

Since 7126 Days

Posted by TheBeagle

Talking about games here. Why so hostile ?

It's the same thing, and I'm not hostile. We'll just leave it at that, cool?

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TheBeagle

Since 6609 Days

Sure ok. All I was saying though was that you coming in here and stating that the game is bad wasn't really founded as you haven't played it. Now that I think about it...unless you play football then you can't really make impressions of how fun it was to play in that game. If you play football then of course. You dont play shadowrun so you can't have an impression of how the gameplay is.

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LEBATO

Since 7126 Days

You dont play shadowrun so you can't have an impression of how the gameplay is.

Wow, really? So why is it that when we watch gameplay videos you see comments like "gameplay looks awesome" and "gameplay looks fun".........crazy people all over the place hu?.

Look at all the crazy people commenting here; http://www.xboxyde.com/news_4031_en.html

EDIT:
On another note, is it right for me to say this game is absolutely no fun and pretty much trash even when I haven't played it? I think so.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FsfkTw_tyLs

Come on man, think about it. Could you give me your impressions on the game above?

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TheBeagle

Since 6609 Days

Exactly, "looks good". Not "plays good" or "plays fun". Look man this is gettin outa hand. Why can't you just admit that it's wrong to judge a games gameplay without playing it ?

In that thread there is nobody saying that game IS good or that game IS crap. You cannot say these things until you play the game yourself. It might look crap but its not for you to decide whether the game is bad or not. Its all opinion.

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LEBATO

Since 7126 Days

Posted by TheBeagle

Exactly, "looks good". Not "plays good" or "plays fun". Look man this is gettin outa hand. Why can't you just admit that it's wrong to judge a games gameplay without playing it ?

In that thread there is nobody saying that game IS good or that game IS crap. You cannot say these things until you play the game yourself. It might look crap but its not for you to decide whether the game is bad or not. Its all opinion.

Check edit above.

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TheBeagle

Since 6609 Days

Yeah it doesnt look all that fun but im not gonna say that game is downright bad. Ah whatever Im getting confused between impressions, opinions, facts...I dont care anymore. Shadowrun is fun. Over and out.

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LEBATO

Since 7126 Days

Posted by TheBeagle

Yeah it doesnt look all that fun but im not gonna say that game is downright bad. Ah whatever Im getting confused between impressions, opinions, facts...I dont care anymore. Shadowrun is fun. Over and out.

hahah, come on. You really can't say the game is downright bad? Oh please.

I can tell you that game is a big pile of crap and I haven't played the game, and I believe most everyone else can. If I were judging from screenshots, you would have a point, but not now really.

Everything I say is of course my opinion. My impressions are my opinion, there's nothing to be confused about, your previous comments contradicted common sense and it took quite a bit of time for you to get it.

Shadowrun is fun, good for you. I'm sure it is relatively fun, but compared to what else is there in the genre, I consider it bad/crap/one more of the bunch. Over and out as you said.

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MrArgus

Since 6651 Days

I'll tell you one thing, watching Shadowrun->playing Sahdowrun or any game makes a big difference. But Shadowrun in particular is just something you have to try before bashing, thats for sure.

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TheBeagle

Since 6609 Days

Posted by MrArgus

I'll tell you one thing, watching Shadowrun->playing Sahdowrun or any game makes a big difference. But Shadowrun in particular is just something you have to try before bashing, thats for sure.

Amen.

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GriftGFX

Since 7004 Days

Posted by LEBATO

It's the same thing, and I'm not hostile. We'll just leave it at that, cool?

It's the same thing? Playing a professional sport and being a spectator is the same as playing a video game and being a.. spectator? People watch spectator sports for a variety of reasons.. not the least of which is liking the game that they play. This isn't even apples and oranges. These two things have even less in common.

Well that's new to me. So the soccer final is next week and I can't give my impressions on the game because I'm not a player? Ouch.

No.. you can't give impressions on how much fun that soccer final was to play though, which is what these impressions are about. Impression threads don't show up before a game is playable.. ever ask why? You're meant to participate in a videogame and you're comparing it to a spectator sport. Not only is it not the same thing, it's one of the worst analogies I've seen to date. You stopped making sense ages ago man. Give it up. This is just trolling.

I can tell you that game is a big pile of crap and I haven't played the game, and I believe most everyone else can.

You're just filled with laugh out loud moments in this thread.

Big Rigs.. just.. wow.

GG.

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[quote=LEBATO]
It's the same thing, and I'm not hostile.  We'll just leave it at that, cool?[/quote]

It's the same thing?  Playing a professional sport and being a spectator is the same as playing a video game and being a.. spectator?  People watch spectator sports for a variety of reasons.. not the least of which is liking the game that they play.  This isn't even apples and oranges.  These two things have even less in common.

[quote]Well that's new to me. So the soccer final is next week and I can't give my impressions on the game because I'm not a player? Ouch.[/quote]

No.. you can't give impressions on how much fun that soccer final was [i]to play[/i] though, which is what these impressions are about.  Impression threads don't show up before a game is playable.. ever ask why?  You're meant to participate in a videogame and you're comparing it to a spectator sport.  Not only is it not the same thing, it's one of the worst analogies I've seen to date.  You stopped making sense ages ago man.  Give it up.  This is just trolling.

[quote]I can tell you that game is a big pile of crap and I haven't played the game, and I believe most everyone else can.[/quote]

You're just filled with laugh out loud moments in this thread.

Big Rigs.. just.. wow.

GG.

kenshin2418

Since 6979 Days

all the people I know that actually have the game, said it's at least fun and worth a try. However, they said it wasn't worth the $60 price tag, that's for sure. Which is why most of them rented the game from like Gamefly or some other rental service. I'm probably going to do the same.

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Julukku

Since 6762 Days

Shadowrun to me even LOOKS really fun, and the stories i've read are so amazing :D One dude accidently threw a grenade over 3 opponents, and then used force push to push them over the grenade and got a couple of kills. I think the one and only problem with the game atm is value, but that's cause I haven't played the game.

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