AW's American Nightmare screens

Commented on 2011-12-19 19:23:09

You guys think that this will be graphically on par with 'Alan Wake'?

Dont how how representative this trailer is, but theres some serious tearing in it...

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Xoar

Commented on 2011-12-19 19:48:24

The first game was incredible looking so i'd be surprised if it was graphically on par with it being a download game.

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The_Shape

Commented on 2011-12-19 22:11:00

The first game had 2GB of main game and a little more for cutscenes for the 10-hour game. This game is 2GB total for the 5 hours, including live-action footage, so it looks exactly the same (maybe even better, as it seems the resolution has been upped). There's an 11-minute gameplay video on youtube, if you don't believe it.

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spacemanjupiter

Commented on 2011-12-19 23:22:38

I hope it's more of the same and not 'more but less'. I see lots of tearing and can't tell if the quality and shadow play is really there like it was in the first one.

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nostradamus

Commented on 2011-12-19 23:49:21 In reply to The_Shape

Posted by The_Shape

so it looks exactly the same (maybe even better, as it seems the resolution has been upped).

you can't be certain. the thing is, it's already the best downloadable game for 2012, better... is yet to come.

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hijab

Commented on 2011-12-20 00:02:13

This is just for cash-in as AW din't do well. If it gets decent numbers I think they will definitely make AW2 or something, probably multiplat

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nostradamus

Commented on 2011-12-20 00:12:03

AW2 is already on the making, genius. This started on the off time of remedy going exprimental with the sanbox they had after finishing AW DLC.

"We are going to continue with Wake. We think there’s a lot of potential. This is one step on Wake’s path forward, and it certainly doesn’t end here. For some gamers it begins here, and we think this is a cool entry point. But right now, this is what we’re focused on."

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spacemanjupiter

Commented on 2011-12-20 00:38:06 In reply to hijab

Posted by hijab

This is just for cash-in as AW din't do well. If it gets decent numbers I think they will definitely make AW2 or something, probably multiplat

That's wrong. There are stories about the actual figures. It did pretty well.

Judging from the 11 minute video on youtube this definitely looks better than the first game. Screen tear wasn't bad, more color, much sharper, and it seems as though it may possibly be running at full 720p? Can't really tell but it's sharper than the first game even in the video.

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timotim

Commented on 2011-12-20 06:43:17

Will be picking this up along with the first game ASAP.

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Seth

Commented on 2011-12-20 11:07:22 In reply to nostradamus

Posted by nostradamus

you can't be certain. the thing is, it's already the best downloadable game for 2012, better... is yet to come.

FEZ says hi to you, maestro. :P

Originality primarily!

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asdfg

Commented on 2011-12-20 21:07:44 In reply to spacemanjupiter

Posted by spacemanjupiter

That's wrong. There are stories about the actual figures. It did pretty well.

And how can you know that those stories are correct? Considering the time it was released (RDR) and the lackluster marketing, the low sales is quite logical.

Matias Myllyrinne and Oskari Häkkinen have even commented on the low sales in interviews. That is better sources than "stories" in my opinion.

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spacemanjupiter

Commented on 2011-12-20 21:35:06 In reply to asdfg

Posted by asdfg

And how can you know that those stories are correct? Considering the time it was released (RDR) and the lackluster marketing, the low sales is quite logical.

Matias Myllyrinne and Oskari Häkkinen have even commented on the low sales in interviews. That is better sources than "stories" in my opinion.

Either way it doesn't matter. They are continuing with the series. It wouldn't be logical to do so if the sales weren't good enough to warrant a sequel or some kind of continuation.

All I know is this game is easily one of the best of this generation and one of the best ever made. I play this game much more than Killzone, Uncharted 2 or 3, Halo(ok maybe not Halo...), Gears, etc.. It's the only game this gen that I've actually been addicted to until completion. That is saying something. I'm super excited to experience more soon!

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asdfg

Commented on 2011-12-20 22:03:48 In reply to spacemanjupiter

Posted by spacemanjupiter

Either way it doesn't matter. They are continuing with the series. It wouldn't be logical to do so if the sales weren't good enough to warrant a sequel or some kind of continuation.

All I know is this game is easily one of the best of this generation and one of the best ever made. I play this game much more than Killzone, Uncharted 2 or 3, Halo(ok maybe not Halo...), Gears, etc.. It's the only game this gen that I've actually been addicted to until completion. That is saying something. I'm super excited to experience more soon!

Just had to point out that actual high ranking Remedy employees had talked about the low sales, when you said someone was flat out wrong. But maybe you know more than the actual CEO of Remedy ;).

I love the first one to bits, being an old-time Max Payne fan i love to references and style in Remedys games. The attention to detail like radio shows, tv shows, funny conversations etc. So I'm right with you on really looking forward to the sequel.

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[quote=spacemanjupiter]

Either way it doesn't matter. They are continuing with the series. It wouldn't be logical to do so if the sales weren't good enough to warrant a sequel or some kind of continuation.

All I know is this game is easily one of the best of this generation and one of the best ever made. I play this game much more than Killzone, Uncharted 2 or 3, Halo(ok maybe not Halo...), Gears, etc.. It's the only game this gen that I've actually been addicted to until completion. That is saying something. I'm super excited to experience more soon![/quote]
Just had to point out that actual high ranking Remedy employees had talked about the low sales, when you said someone was flat out wrong. But maybe you know more than the actual CEO of Remedy ;).

I love the first one to bits, being an old-time Max Payne fan i love to references and style in Remedys games. The attention to detail like radio shows, tv shows, funny conversations etc. So I'm right with you on really looking forward to the sequel.

PlumbDrumb

Commented on 2011-12-20 22:15:37

Their numbers are probably similar, but since when was a CEO satisfied?

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Xoar

Commented on 2011-12-20 22:53:00

Yeah sales are supposed to be around 1.5 million, for a new IP it's not bad but not great.

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asdfg

Commented on 2011-12-21 00:29:54 In reply to Xoar

Posted by PlumbDrumb

Their numbers are probably similar, but since when was a CEO satisfied?

Similar to what?

Posted by Xoar

Yeah sales are supposed to be around 1.5 million, for a new IP it's not bad but not great.

And that amount of sales for a game that has been in development for 5+ years with MS pumping in money and hoping for it to be a console pusher/seller is not that great. Thinking that a "horror/thriller" game which is quite a niche genre would achieve that was a bit naive on MS side. To get the oppurtunity do develop such a game with that kind of a budget is quite the oppurtunity for Remedy though. It deserved better sales, unfortunately a lot of people don't like these kinds of games or just don't give them a chance.

And now Remedy needs funds because of the low sales so they announce this action xbla game and the pc version of Alan Wake.

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PlumbDrumb

Commented on 2011-12-21 00:34:15 In reply to asdfg

Posted by asdfg

Similar to what?

uh, the numbers. Keep up with your own conversation.

your big time CEO and spaceman.

"Their numbers are probably similar...." blah blah blah.

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_killzone_

Commented on 2011-12-21 00:56:18 In reply to Xoar

Posted by Xoar

Yeah sales are supposed to be around 1.5 million, for a new IP it's not bad but not great.

1.5 is actually good on a single platform but I don't think it reached that.

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PlumbDrumb

Commented on 2011-12-21 01:07:40

what you think isn't really relevant, is it?

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asdfg

Commented on 2011-12-21 01:16:48 In reply to PlumbDrumb

Posted by PlumbDrumb

uh, the numbers. Keep up with your own conversation.

your big time CEO and spaceman.

"Their numbers are probably similar...." blah blah blah.

English is not my first language so i blame that. I feel that you are really contributing to this discussion though...

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PlumbDrumb

Commented on 2011-12-21 01:42:56

wow. you can fuck off and die.

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IRAIPT0IR

Commented on 2011-12-21 01:47:17

Lol Plumb.

ahhaha CALM DOWN!

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asdfg

Commented on 2011-12-21 01:49:37 In reply to PlumbDrumb

Posted by PlumbDrumb

wow. you can fuck off and die.

I think I'm hearing a mean drunk, get that under control or you might come off as a bit of a prick. You can always try the one beer one water principle, should work for you.

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KORNdog

Commented on 2011-12-21 01:53:29 In reply to Xoar

Posted by Xoar

Yeah sales are supposed to be around 1.5 million, for a new IP it's not bad but not great.

What the dev or publisher predicted is the only way to know if those sales are good or not. But knowing MS. A company who cancels sequels to games that dont sell 6+ million, then i can't imagine it's exactly an earner for them. But who knows. I doubt it tho. You only have to look at MS's portfolio of games to see how they work as a publisher. They could have bought bizzare entertainment to continue working on the PGR series. They could have let RARE continue to make the planned sequels to banjo, kameo and perfect dark, but they didnt, because the previous title in that franchise didnt reach gears or halo sales numbers, i think that's why this game is an arcade release. It's the only way for remedy to make progression within the series without MS having to spend millions funding the game. Cheap and cheerfull release, low dev costs, low sale price which is more appealing to people, probably profitable. A real sequel would mean AAA productions, high dev costs, long dev cycle and probably non profitable. I realise MS are a business who want to make money, but i sure do wish they'd give devs a chance after a game of theirs doesnt sell like crazy. Not all games need to be 9 million sellers like halo. But sadly that's all MS care about. I can't imagine it'll be long before they cast aside turn 10 too. Maybe they'll get them to make kinect titles or something?

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[quote=Xoar]Yeah sales are supposed to be around 1.5 million, for a new IP it's not bad but not great.[/quote]

What the dev or publisher predicted is the only way to know if those sales are good or not. But knowing MS. A company who cancels sequels to games that dont sell 6+ million, then i can't imagine it's exactly an earner for them. But who knows. I doubt it tho. You only have to look at MS's portfolio of games to see how they work as a publisher. They could have bought bizzare entertainment to continue working on the PGR series. They could have let RARE continue to make the planned sequels to banjo, kameo and perfect dark, but they didnt, because the previous title in that franchise didnt reach gears or halo sales numbers, i think that's why this game is an arcade release. It's the only way for remedy to make progression within the series without MS having to spend millions funding the game. Cheap and cheerfull release, low dev costs, low sale price which is more appealing to people, probably profitable. A real sequel would mean AAA productions, high dev costs, long dev cycle and probably non profitable. I realise MS are a business who want to make money, but i sure do wish they'd give devs a chance after a game of theirs doesnt sell like crazy. Not all games need to be 9 million sellers like halo. But sadly that's all MS care about. I can't imagine it'll be long before they cast aside turn 10 too. Maybe they'll get them to make kinect titles or something?

_killzone_

Commented on 2011-12-21 01:58:16 In reply to PlumbDrumb

Posted by PlumbDrumb

what you think isn't really relevant, is it?

I am not saying sales matters but this standalone expansion pack is a good reason to believe it. Talented team like Remedy wouldn't want to make 15 or 20$ downloadable games.

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