wasnt this series utter crap on the psp?

Well, every other game for the Wii is crap, why should this be any different? :P

Something was lost in translation here, or it is merely some form of trolling.

Contra: i assumed that KORNdog was questioning the quality of this title since the previous iterations were obviously bad, and since it's my opinion that the Wii has like 2 good games, another crap game would make no difference.

But i think that it's, by now, a pretty well known fact that i bash the Wii whenever i see an opportunity :D

This is the kind of place Gamersyde is. Graphics whores, whiners ect. Check every messages on every game posted this month and you'll alwayse find someone saying: ''graphics suck!'', ''this is crap!'' You'll get use to it.

its like saying people express their opinions here...thats odd. i <3 this site, best up to date video game media

Yes, expressing your opinion is a terrible vice indeed.

Death and Pandora "accidentally" free an evil spirit. That's about as clever as naming two toons Firecracker and Flame and saying they accidentally blow something up. Hopefully the Wii will get some good games other than stuff aimed at little kids and casual players. Then again, even if they did not likely the same people mentioned will bother buying them.

Go read the IGN or Gametrailers comments. At least the majority of people here will give some sort of reason or explination for disliking something. Most of the time. :P

I think the point he was trying to make was that graphical expectations are set way too high lately. I somewhat agree. We need more artisticly good looking games or games that look good in another way(think cell shading) so that people focus more on gameplay and (every now and then)story.

Look, polycounts and texture resolution does not make a game, but if i'm supposed to pay full retail price, i sure as hell want it to look pretty. I don't understand why it's wrong to set expectations for games high? What, is there something wrong with expecting quality now days? I want good graphics, sound AND gameplay, not just one of the three.

If i'm to fork out 85 buckaroos on a game it'd better both look and play well...effectively eliminating the wii from my roster of consoles.

There's a difference between expecting high quality and expecting too much. We know what the systems are capable of, but you have to take in consideration the type of game it is, the amount of content in the game, and what the systems' limits are. PS3, Wii and 360s graphical capabilities are definitely not limitless. But let's not think they can pump out pixar/dreamworks quality visuals. Or else you'll never enjoy any current gen game ever.

3 more things.

1. I don't know where you currently live for games to cost 85 dollars.

2. Videogames were originally meant for having fun. The fact that you neglect the Wii so much just because it can't produce Unreal Engine 3 type graphics, doesn't mean it doesn't have good games. It's as if you are saying last gen never existed at all. Did you just all of a sudden stop playing your ps2 games because the ps3 came out?

3. When I mean artistically good I don't necessarily mean realism. I'm assuming you've played at least one cell shaded game in your lifetime. And I'm also assuming you couldn't judge the graphics because it's extremely hard to judge on a cell shaded game.

Contra:

1. I live in Sweden, a new game usually costs between 550 to 600 sek, translating to roughly 85-95 us dollars. Prices are ridiculous in Sweden, yes.

2. Games are meant to be fun. I never said anything else, but accepting a complete halt in technical development just because the wiimote is supposed to be revolutionary is just crazy. I'd much rather buy a PS2 and play some quality games on that, rather than buying a wii where 90% of the games is pure shovel ware. You know what sets the wii apart form the Xbox and PS2 except for the lack of quality games? The fact that it was released last year. To me the Wii generally offers low quality gameplay, graphics and audio, yet it s only fifty bucks cheaper than a 360. And the wiimote just isn't particularly revolutionary in my eyes, it's just a shitty way of doing what we were already doing back in 85 on the NES.

3. When did i say a game has to look realistic to be pretty? And why couldn't i judge a cellshaded game? Texture quality, polycount and lighting still leave their mark, and that's just the technical aspect of it. On the art side there's loads of stuff to look at.

You make it sound like i hate every game ever made because nothing lives up to my wanting incedible graphics, but...well, all i can say about that is that you need to get of your high horse and stop assuming to know what i'm thinking. The wii sucks because it has a load of shitty games and on top of that is a modded gamecube. If you own a Wii, please do tell what games you play on it except for Wii Sports, Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime 3? All the people i know who had the misfortune of getting a wii still just play Wii Sports and rue every other game purchase they made for it.

Megido:

My horse died years ago.

1. That's a shame.

2. The most popular console always receives cash ins and shovelware, this gen is no different. I've never met anyone who's actually bought a core/arcade 360 and was truly satisfied with it/didn't eventually upgrade it. The fact that Wii was released last year DOES separate it from last gen consoles because it can't develop a super library of good games in only the first year. No console can.

3.So you like decent looking games but hate decent looking games at the same time.This could be Nintendo's fault. They don't exactly advertise their other good games well outside of Japan.

Contra: I had a core system until it died and then i got a premium instead, but i don't see how that's important.

And about the Wii being the most popular console...well, i can't argue with you if you want to drag sales in there, but i don't think it's regular gamers who buy the Wii first hand. It's those pesky casual gamers, and that's a bit of a differens. Also, i'm pretty sure that i read an article about how poor sales are for third party games on the wii. And as a bonus the attach rate for the wii is down the drain. Yay for Wii, if you happen to be Nintendo.

It's been like this for some time now. Almost all good games on the nintendo consoles are first party titles, with a few third party games in between, but not that many. I honestly cant see which games that are out for the wii right now that are so good that it justifies buying a new machine for 250 bucks, that has the same graphics capabilities as the last gen consoles. Imo the wiimote should have been a peripheral to the gamecube. That would have made sense.

At any rate, i'm still waiting for a list of really good exclusive games for the Wii that aren't "U R Mr Gay", Metroid or Wii Sports.

Just give it some time. 3rd party developers are noticing how popular the Wii is and some who previously stopped developing for nintendo consoles(N64/Gamecube era) have come back to develop some good games for the Wii. It also helps that they're using a good format that isn't based around cartridges.There was a site with a good list of 3rd party games coming out this year for Wii. It was a good length of game titles. After looking at it, even with the casual games coming out for the wii(not on the list) I still believe Nintendo has a chance to reach SNES-like success and popularity. When I find the list I'll edit my post or send you a message or something.