Commented on 2009-06-04 12:46:04 In reply to alimokrane
Posted by alimokrane
I didnt play Sigma Sath but maybe they fixed the issues with Rachel this time around. you never now.
Here is the thing, there was no issues, it was her moves, it was boring and slow compared to Ryu and she broke the pace of combat.
NG is about fast attacks and blocks/manuevers, Rachel has good blocks but the attacks was lacking.
The reason why I say Ayane and Momiji is very welcomed in my book is because Ayane is a ninja and she is fast (depending on who is playing) and Momiji is Ryu's apprentice so she got potential, and she is much faster than Rachel.
But the whole Rachel thing should have been stayed on NGS and leave it at that.
What annoys me the most is they said Rachel was the last playable character, 3 girls and one guy.
Why not add Joe Hayabusa (Ryu's father and what he was doing under the attack of the spider clan in Hayabusa Village) instead of Rachel.
Then it would be, 2 male characters and 2 female, perfectly balanced.
Rachel was fine in concept. Hayabusa was about fast attacks but why should the game be about 4 characters with virtually identical concepts of super fast magical ninja? Adding another identical concept character adds anything to the game?
To the contrary, there WERE issues. When Rachel was against enemies she could actually keep up with, she played fine, combat moved along at a fine clip, and she provided a certain brute force visceral appeal Hayabusa lacks.
But the problem was she wasn't always against enemies she could keep up with which is why fighting with her felt like you were just playing catch up with half the enemies. The enemies she fought were essentially scaled to Hayabusa's speed. That's the reason he felt like he handled better at them. If Hayashi learned his lesson from NGS, Rachel would be instantly made perfectly fine and playable if he remembers to scale them better for her when we have to play her.
but adding a character that's actually DIFFERENT usually adds far more to a game than simply repeating ninja over and over again.
Well that may be true, but alot of NG players didn't like Rachel as far as I know, they did what I did, skipped her missions as fast as possible.
But the thing is that the potential of a NEW male character like Hayate or Joe Hayabusa was there, but noooo, they had to bring another female in addition with 2 more, so theres 3 girls 1 guy, annoying as hell.
If I want to play as a guy and don't want Ryu but want someone new I want Hayate or Joe Hayabusa, not some busty blonde in a stripper outfit that is slow compared to others.
But whatever, there is always DLCs, and I hope Hayashi adds another male to DLC for co-op.
Both Itagaki and Hayashi are pervs, atleast Itagaki decided to keep Rachel in NG in the final product and bye bye to her, but Hayashi seems to be more of a perv to keep adding her in new games.
I hope Hayashi keeps adding Momiji in future games (if she was nice to play as in NGS2).
But whatever, this Rachel thing is gone. It didn't take much until I skipped her levels, and if they do the same here then I don't have a problem with her.
I wish I was in Ryu's place. I mean, being amongst those 3 sexy girls would be awesome! Imagine what could happen! - Ahem, downloading trailer.
I am considering getting a PS3, would any of you recommend Ninja Gaiden Sigma? I once had Ninja Gaiden(Xbox), was a favourite of mine, but I lost it in the passage of time...
Commented on 2009-06-04 17:10:50 In reply to Krabath
Posted by Krabath
I wish I was in Ryu's place. I mean, being amongst those 3 sexy girls would be awesome! Imagine what could happen! - Ahem, downloading trailer.
I am considering getting a PS3, would any of you recommend Ninja Gaiden Sigma? I once had Ninja Gaiden(Xbox), was a favourite of mine, but I lost it in the passage of time...
Black was much better. Not that it matters as this is like a MGS4 game where none of the key MGS team worked on.
"How many of you (ex-ninja's) are in the new company?"
"Just counting the guys who used to be in Team NINJA, we have enough people to make an American football team. In fact we can make an entire offensive team and a defensive team."
Soon NGS2 will have more original material than NG2 had over NGS1. But it'll obviously be rubbish because Itagaki made Ninja Gaiden entirely by himself. And still had time to sexually molest people while he was doing it.
I agree with you, Rachel is no really good NG char you want to play (altough she would be a very good Soul Calibur guest char IMO ). She's just slow as hell. Her only fast attack was the normal strike with the square Button. She can't mess with fast enemies, especially not on higher difficults.
Sure it was a little bit fun to play with her but than you noticed all her flaws:
- her whole style of fighting was more like a gladiator but the games name is "Ninja Gaiden"
- not many (useful) moves
- only one melee weapon
- the most useless distance weapon I've ever seen in a NG game
- NG is fast, Ryu is fast, enemies are fast, Rachel is not.....
Ayane and Momiji are great new characters. 2 nimble Ninjas but both are unique in battle. Especially Ayane (my goddess ^^), her spinning attacks from DOA combined with weapon based moves are simply amazing and very effective.
Oh and, btw, since the first trailer Team Ninja redesigned her face a little bit (very cute and better looking now).
FemaleTengu...for some playing NG all these years and can't stop thinking of it and study it quite alot, yes it is scary, even for me :P
The thing is that it is suppose to be 17 chapters this time and not 14.
They haven't said how many levels per character.
But yeah, Rachel isn't fun to play as at all while Ayane and Momiji seems to be very fun considering they are faster and act as they should.
My favorite is Momiji considering her design is the most normal female design TN has done in NG series to look good aside from Elizabet.
I hope TN just gives more moves to Rachel, but from what I saw in the trailer, she had the same moves with added OTs.
The only things that worries me is the following...
- No character/weapons upgrades for the girls
- One ninpo/sorcery for the girls
- No extra outfits for the girls...maybe new accessories like Rachel got in NGS (earings and new haircut for example).
- I want ALOT of outfits, this default black outfit for Ryu is getting a bit boring after all these years. In NGS he only added 2 extras which SUCKED compared to NGB.
- ONLY co-op Mission Modes with no singel character missions (unless they support other stuff through DLC).
That's it really.
But I am very excited for the game for sure, and can't wait to play as Ryu, Momiji and Ayane.
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Commented on 2009-06-04 11:45:53
Commented on 2009-06-04 11:52:55I kept running away from enemies in NGS so the level finished faster, I hope you can do it here too because she sucks!
But Ayane and Momiji, I welcome those characters, they seem to be fun to play with.
Now I hope they release a demo on PSN on 4th (today in EU, tomorrow in US), so I can have some fun, but something tells me its not gonna happen.
Commented on 2009-06-04 12:19:42
Commented on 2009-06-04 12:46:04 In reply to alimokraneNG is about fast attacks and blocks/manuevers, Rachel has good blocks but the attacks was lacking.
The reason why I say Ayane and Momiji is very welcomed in my book is because Ayane is a ninja and she is fast (depending on who is playing) and Momiji is Ryu's apprentice so she got potential, and she is much faster than Rachel.
But the whole Rachel thing should have been stayed on NGS and leave it at that.
What annoys me the most is they said Rachel was the last playable character, 3 girls and one guy.
Why not add Joe Hayabusa (Ryu's father and what he was doing under the attack of the spider clan in Hayabusa Village) instead of Rachel.
Then it would be, 2 male characters and 2 female, perfectly balanced.
Commented on 2009-06-04 13:01:18To the contrary, there WERE issues. When Rachel was against enemies she could actually keep up with, she played fine, combat moved along at a fine clip, and she provided a certain brute force visceral appeal Hayabusa lacks.
But the problem was she wasn't always against enemies she could keep up with which is why fighting with her felt like you were just playing catch up with half the enemies. The enemies she fought were essentially scaled to Hayabusa's speed. That's the reason he felt like he handled better at them. If Hayashi learned his lesson from NGS, Rachel would be instantly made perfectly fine and playable if he remembers to scale them better for her when we have to play her.
but adding a character that's actually DIFFERENT usually adds far more to a game than simply repeating ninja over and over again.
Commented on 2009-06-04 13:13:46 In reply to Sath
Commented on 2009-06-04 13:22:23But the thing is that the potential of a NEW male character like Hayate or Joe Hayabusa was there, but noooo, they had to bring another female in addition with 2 more, so theres 3 girls 1 guy, annoying as hell.
If I want to play as a guy and don't want Ryu but want someone new I want Hayate or Joe Hayabusa, not some busty blonde in a stripper outfit that is slow compared to others.
But whatever, there is always DLCs, and I hope Hayashi adds another male to DLC for co-op.
Commented on 2009-06-04 14:33:31
Commented on 2009-06-04 14:43:10 In reply to A_MI hope Hayashi keeps adding Momiji in future games (if she was nice to play as in NGS2).
But whatever, this Rachel thing is gone. It didn't take much until I skipped her levels, and if they do the same here then I don't have a problem with her.
Commented on 2009-06-04 16:51:35I am considering getting a PS3, would any of you recommend Ninja Gaiden Sigma? I once had Ninja Gaiden(Xbox), was a favourite of mine, but I lost it in the passage of time...
Commented on 2009-06-04 17:06:08=)
Commented on 2009-06-04 17:10:50 In reply to KrabathI am considering getting a PS3, would any of you recommend Ninja Gaiden Sigma? I once had Ninja Gaiden(Xbox), was a favourite of mine, but I lost it in the passage of time...
Commented on 2009-06-04 17:11:44I do wish Rachel was more covered up like Sonia.
I would say get NGS because it's still NGB at its core, but it didn't go into rough remake as NGS2 is getting from NG2.
Commented on 2009-06-04 18:06:34 In reply to Xerx3s
Commented on 2009-06-04 18:19:07NGS cover looked cooler, but this ain't bad.
Commented on 2009-06-04 20:58:14 In reply to FormlessLikeWater"How many of you (ex-ninja's) are in the new company?"
"Just counting the guys who used to be in Team NINJA, we have enough people to make an American football team. In fact we can make an entire offensive team and a defensive team."
Commented on 2009-06-04 21:34:53
Commented on 2009-06-05 03:04:50
Commented on 2009-06-05 16:40:48You can read peoples minds, that's scarry :p
I agree with you, Rachel is no really good NG char you want to play (altough she would be a very good Soul Calibur guest char IMO ). She's just slow as hell. Her only fast attack was the normal strike with the square Button. She can't mess with fast enemies, especially not on higher difficults.
Sure it was a little bit fun to play with her but than you noticed all her flaws:
- her whole style of fighting was more like a gladiator but the games name is "Ninja Gaiden"
- not many (useful) moves
- only one melee weapon
- the most useless distance weapon I've ever seen in a NG game
- NG is fast, Ryu is fast, enemies are fast, Rachel is not.....
Ayane and Momiji are great new characters. 2 nimble Ninjas but both are unique in battle. Especially Ayane (my goddess ^^), her spinning attacks from DOA combined with weapon based moves are simply amazing and very effective.
Oh and, btw, since the first trailer Team Ninja redesigned her face a little bit (very cute and better looking now).
Ayane Gameplay 1
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-09-ninja-gaid...
Ayane Gameplay 2
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-09-ninja-gaid...
Commented on 2009-06-05 16:53:16 In reply to FemaleTengu
Commented on 2009-06-05 17:31:50The thing is that it is suppose to be 17 chapters this time and not 14.
They haven't said how many levels per character.
But yeah, Rachel isn't fun to play as at all while Ayane and Momiji seems to be very fun considering they are faster and act as they should.
My favorite is Momiji considering her design is the most normal female design TN has done in NG series to look good aside from Elizabet.
I hope TN just gives more moves to Rachel, but from what I saw in the trailer, she had the same moves with added OTs.
The only things that worries me is the following...
- No character/weapons upgrades for the girls
- One ninpo/sorcery for the girls
- No extra outfits for the girls...maybe new accessories like Rachel got in NGS (earings and new haircut for example).
- I want ALOT of outfits, this default black outfit for Ryu is getting a bit boring after all these years. In NGS he only added 2 extras which SUCKED compared to NGB.
- ONLY co-op Mission Modes with no singel character missions (unless they support other stuff through DLC).
That's it really.
But I am very excited for the game for sure, and can't wait to play as Ryu, Momiji and Ayane.