I really don't find it's detrimental to the series though to "milk it" in this case. I'm willing to bet that people are happy with more songs and don't necessarily need much in the way of updated anything. I personally couldn't care less if the graphics are updated at all. I certainly don't want any changes made to the gameplay.
And hell, you aren't even REMOTELY forced to buy this. It's not like a rushed-out sequel to an RPG that you just have to play because you have to keep up with the story. If you don't want to pay for it, then don't.
As long as the quality isn't affected, there's no difference in my mind between releasing 1 game every 2 years or 2 games every 1 year...or more even.
Commented on 2008-03-28 17:19:42 In reply to Slabs
Posted by Slabs
What's with the ugly caricature lead singer model?
(tee hee)
Well, Steven Tyler is sorta ugly in real life.
I would comment on the fact that Aerosmith sucks--but they're pop music, and they have a huge fan base--popularity and quality don't always go hand in hand and from the standpoint of a business decision this was probably a wise one.. but it's still lame.
So this is how they are going to milk the series to death, by putting music from one band on a disc and calling it a game.
Nice way to scam people, not particularly good game design, but then again what would could you expect from a gimmicky one trick pony like guitar hero.
Commented on 2008-03-28 20:23:50 In reply to Bakutheswede
Posted by Bakutheswede
So this is how they are going to milk the series to death, by putting music from one band on a disc and calling it a game.
Nice way to scam people, not particularly good game design, but then again what would could you expect from a gimmicky one trick pony like guitar hero.
How is it a fucking scam? You don't have to buy it. You aren't missing out on anything by not playing it if you don't want to. Seriously, some of you are so damn dramatic it's not even funny.
But I guess this explains your views right here: "a gimmicky one trick pony like guitar hero." Uhh...no shit..? What else do you expect it to do? What it does, it does well. I don't plan on faulting the upcoming SoulCalibur for being a one-trick pony simply because it's just a fighting game.
I agree. While I do think they're just milking it, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. You don't HAVE to buy it. Aerosmith/GH fans will love it. So what's the big deal?
Also, want to talk about milking it? How about "Final" Fantasy XIII? or Grand Theft Auto 4 (which is actually the 7th GTA or so)? Now THAT is what I call milking a franchise. And again, nothing wrong.
Commented on 2008-03-29 02:47:07 In reply to Ronsauce
Posted by itaintrite
Also, want to talk about milking it? How about "Final" Fantasy XIII? or Grand Theft Auto 4 (which is actually the 7th GTA or so)? Now THAT is what I call milking a franchise. And again, nothing wrong.
Uh? I can't seen to recall the part where i mentioned any of those games.
But your point is only somewhat valid since the games you mentioned are actual sequels, sequels with actual new content and improvements, while guitar hero remains the same with only minimal changes.
Posted by Ronsauce
But I guess this explains your views right here: "a gimmicky one trick pony like guitar hero." Uhh...no shit..? What else do you expect it to do? What it does, it does well. I don't plan on faulting the upcoming SoulCalibur for being a one-trick pony simply because it's just a fighting game.
Again you bring up a game that is completely irrelevant.
Commented on 2008-03-29 03:20:00 In reply to Bakutheswede
Posted by Bakutheswede
But your point is only somewhat valid since the games you mentioned are actual sequels, sequels with actual new content and improvements, while guitar hero remains the same with only minimal changes.
I'd consider all new songs NEW content. What kind of changes would you expect that would better the game?
And yes, SoulCalibur is relevant. You called Guitar Hero a "one trick pony" in what I can only assume was a derogatory way. I mentioned SoulCalibur because it too only has one element: fighting. I guess I could have mentioned Grand Turismo as well. Keep in mind, I'm not giving these as examples of sequels with new content, but rather, I'm bringing them up as "one trick ponies."
Once again, how is this a scam in ANY god damn way? Can you answer that, or you were blowing things out of proportion?
Commented on 2008-03-29 03:55:42 In reply to Ronsauce
Posted by Ronsauce
Once again, how is this a scam in ANY god damn way? Can you answer that, or you were blowing things out of proportion?
Because they are releasing this crap as a full game when it should have been downloadable content, and if this game sells well they will make a habit of just putting some new songs on a disc and calling it a new game when it's nothing more than a tiny add on.
The shit neversoft is trying to pull here is greed on a level that even EA games couldn't dream up.
Posted by Ronsauce
And yes, SoulCalibur is relevant. You called Guitar Hero a "one trick pony" in what I can only assume was a derogatory way. I mentioned SoulCalibur because it too only has one element: fighting. I guess I could have mentioned Grand Turismo as well. Keep in mind, I'm not giving these as examples of sequels with new content, but rather, I'm bringing them up as "one trick ponies."
No it isn't soulcalibur and grand turismo have both continually evolved as games in a lot of ways (some bad some good) and the only thing that the guitar hero series has added since part one is star power and online multiplayer.
To say that the games are still the same just because soulcalibur still features fighting and grand turismo still features driving, is a pretty silly and irrational thing to say.
Because they are releasing this crap as a full game when it should have been downloadable content
They still would have charged for downloadable content...and I'm guessing you'd still complain about it. Regardless, that still doesn't take away from the fact that it's NOT a scam in any way. Nobody is being forced to buy it.
Posted by Bakutheswede
they will make a habit of just putting some new songs on a disc and calling it a new game when it's nothing more than a tiny add on.
If they put enough songs on the disc, then so be it. I don't see how it's any different than releasing a "proper" sequel except that it's predominantly Aerosmith songs. What would you want in a GH sequel that would elevate it above just "milking" status? I'd be willing to bet that most people who are fans of GH(so, not you obviously), don't want much of anything changed EXCEPT the songs. GH:Aerosmith accomplishes this.
Posted by Bakuthewrong
To say that the games are still the same just because soulcalibur still features fighting and grand turismo still features driving, is a pretty silly and irrational thing to say.
When did I EVER say all of the SC and GT sequels were the same? I'm calling them one-trick ponies the same way you called GH a one-trick pony. GH is playing songs, SC is fighting, and GT is racing. I don't care how SC or GT has evolved over the years, they're still just fighting and racing games. I'm not sure what you aren't understanding.
GH: Aerosmith will have all new songs. Here's a thought, do you know how many songs there will be? Multiply that by the price per song you'd have to pay if they were DLC. If that price is more than what the retail price of GH:A will be, the consumers are the one winning here.
GTAIV is GTA3 with prettier graphics. Same gameplay. Final Fantasy games are all the same. Pretty boy/girl saves world. Sequels perhaps, but doesn't mean they're not milking the franchise. It's much easier to sell a GTA or FF game than having to create a new IP and try to sell that.
You've played GTAIV enough to make an analysis that it's the SAME gameplay? Sorry, but everyone who's actually played it in the gaming world pretty much identifies that it doesn't play the same. And you're horrible analysis of Final Fantasy being the same doesn't even need to be touched.
In a sense he's right. This game is the same game with new songs (content), that makes the game different than it's predecessor
Sequels to games always have the same gameplay but with some additions or new content.
I don't see this as a buy for anyone but Areosmith fans. Even the other song content isn't that appealing (to me anyway, as I don't know any of the other songs)
Rockband does this thing a whole lot better, with the Band packs. I didn't by the Grateful Dead 8 song pack because I don't like them. But my brother did.
For as many people that are questioning this add-on there are probably the same amount of people that are counting the days till its release. For me, I don't see the reason for it. It's nothing that couldn't have been released on line as a track pack, for cheaper.
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Commented on 2008-03-28 13:16:22(tee hee)
Commented on 2008-03-28 14:12:58
Commented on 2008-03-28 15:56:12 In reply to XboXEmaXX
Commented on 2008-03-28 16:06:17And hell, you aren't even REMOTELY forced to buy this. It's not like a rushed-out sequel to an RPG that you just have to play because you have to keep up with the story. If you don't want to pay for it, then don't.
As long as the quality isn't affected, there's no difference in my mind between releasing 1 game every 2 years or 2 games every 1 year...or more even.
Commented on 2008-03-28 17:19:42 In reply to Slabs(tee hee)
I would comment on the fact that Aerosmith sucks--but they're pop music, and they have a huge fan base--popularity and quality don't always go hand in hand and from the standpoint of a business decision this was probably a wise one.. but it's still lame.
Commented on 2008-03-28 17:31:10
Commented on 2008-03-28 18:15:40Nice way to scam people, not particularly good game design, but then again what would could you expect from a gimmicky one trick pony like guitar hero.
Commented on 2008-03-28 19:35:02
Commented on 2008-03-28 20:23:50 In reply to BakutheswedeNice way to scam people, not particularly good game design, but then again what would could you expect from a gimmicky one trick pony like guitar hero.
But I guess this explains your views right here: "a gimmicky one trick pony like guitar hero." Uhh...no shit..? What else do you expect it to do? What it does, it does well. I don't plan on faulting the upcoming SoulCalibur for being a one-trick pony simply because it's just a fighting game.
Commented on 2008-03-29 02:33:18Also, want to talk about milking it? How about "Final" Fantasy XIII? or Grand Theft Auto 4 (which is actually the 7th GTA or so)? Now THAT is what I call milking a franchise. And again, nothing wrong.
Commented on 2008-03-29 02:47:07 In reply to RonsauceBut your point is only somewhat valid since the games you mentioned are actual sequels, sequels with actual new content and improvements, while guitar hero remains the same with only minimal changes.
Commented on 2008-03-29 03:20:00 In reply to BakutheswedeAnd yes, SoulCalibur is relevant. You called Guitar Hero a "one trick pony" in what I can only assume was a derogatory way. I mentioned SoulCalibur because it too only has one element: fighting. I guess I could have mentioned Grand Turismo as well. Keep in mind, I'm not giving these as examples of sequels with new content, but rather, I'm bringing them up as "one trick ponies."
Once again, how is this a scam in ANY god damn way? Can you answer that, or you were blowing things out of proportion?
Commented on 2008-03-29 03:55:42 In reply to RonsauceThe shit neversoft is trying to pull here is greed on a level that even EA games couldn't dream up.
To say that the games are still the same just because soulcalibur still features fighting and grand turismo still features driving, is a pretty silly and irrational thing to say.
Commented on 2008-03-29 04:19:25
Commented on 2008-03-29 04:51:38GTAIV is GTA3 with prettier graphics. Same gameplay. Final Fantasy games are all the same. Pretty boy/girl saves world. Sequels perhaps, but doesn't mean they're not milking the franchise. It's much easier to sell a GTA or FF game than having to create a new IP and try to sell that.
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Commented on 2008-03-29 18:13:02 In reply to itaintriteSo by your definition every sequel to every game is just the same game over and over.
Good for you.....
Commented on 2008-03-29 21:42:27Sequels to games always have the same gameplay but with some additions or new content.
Commented on 2008-03-29 21:47:13
Commented on 2008-03-31 18:48:46http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guitar_Hero:_Aerosmit...
I don't see this as a buy for anyone but Areosmith fans. Even the other song content isn't that appealing (to me anyway, as I don't know any of the other songs)
Rockband does this thing a whole lot better, with the Band packs. I didn't by the Grateful Dead 8 song pack because I don't like them. But my brother did.
For as many people that are questioning this add-on there are probably the same amount of people that are counting the days till its release. For me, I don't see the reason for it. It's nothing that couldn't have been released on line as a track pack, for cheaper.