I don't really get why they bothered with the graphical updates though? Couldn't they have spent some more time making it look decent? Right now it looks like something right between what a n64 and a ps2 could do. Either soup it up for real or just keep the original look?
Commented on 2010-02-13 15:23:15 In reply to Megido
Fans that have been crying out for it want it as they remember it, the same artisitic design. Changing the look of it completely would probably not of been appreciated by those with fond memories of it.
They cleaned up the look and made it HD because most of us played N64 games on small SD screens.. stretching those SD textures out on bigger HD screens would make the game look far worse. Where as now it's kept it's shine, and artistic merit
The textures would look the same in any resolution, they would look just as ass on a big SD-tv. But never mind that, i just think some of the textures could have done with a bit more work and still retained the same feeling, like the black tile texture in this shot for example: http://images.gamersyde.com/image_perfect_dark_xbl...
All i'm saying is that if they are going to make such minor updates, why bother at all?
wow this looks great, definitely brings back some good memories, especially with the music and sound effects. The only thing that bothers me is Joanna Darks face, she seems to have a bit of a pig nose, but other than that everything looks amazing imo, and only a few more weeks until release :)
Who cares about the frickin textures??? I'd be happy with no improvements at all, just to be able to play this over Live!! The fact is, it is improved..60fps...1080p. They have retained everything AND more including the originals 4 player split screen!! Arcade gaming doesnt get any better than this imo!
Commented on 2010-02-13 16:13:17 In reply to Megido
Posted by Megido
The textures would look the same in any resolution, they would look just as ass on a big SD-tv. But never mind that, i just think some of the textures could have done with a bit more work and still retained the same feeling, like the black tile texture in this shot for example: http://images.gamersyde.com/image_perfect_dark_xbl...
All i'm saying is that if they are going to make such minor updates, why bother at all?
I don't understand what your moaning about...
They port Perfect Dark to 360, upgrade the graphics pretty significantly and you say, "why bother?".
Upgrades might be significant from the n64 perspective but the graphics are, even for a downloadable title, pretty much abysmal for a current title. Now it doesn't look like a N64 game any more, it looks like a game with blocky geometry and wonky textures. Something i wouldn't mind so much in a game from 2000 :P
Basically, i think the original looks a lot better considering the hardware, and they should have done a better job with the upgrade or just kept it vanilla.
The "why bother" is only directed at the gfx though, i understand quite well why they are re-releasing it.
who wants to play a FPS from 1998 in 2010? I think nostalgia is strong with this one but it will let people down IMO. Looks like a corridor shooter to boot
When they annonced the remake I expected them to do something similar with it like they did with Conker on Xbox. They should have remastered the textures and models a bit more at least I think. I've been a huge fan of the original Perfect Dark but this one I won't buy for sure.
Commented on 2010-02-13 17:13:15 In reply to Doom_Bringer
Posted by Doom_Bringer
looks lame
who wants to play a FPS from 1998 in 2010? I think nostalgia is strong with this one but it will let people down IMO. Looks like a corridor shooter to boot
it's actually from 2000, only 2 years difference, but still.....but you're definitely right about the nostalgia part, anybody who didn't play the original will probably walk away feeling unsatisfied, it's pure fan service. And it looks like a corridor shooter because it is a corridor shooter lol but it's just an incredibly good one :)
I think the complainers should stick to their idea of perfect games such as "Modern Glitchfest 2" etc and leave the fans of classics like this to enjoy and appreciate it even coming to Live in the first place. Cant wait to hook up with the true gamers on PD and have some good old fashioned mp fun.
Commented on 2010-02-13 18:46:54 In reply to Megido
Posted by Megido
Upgrades might be significant from the n64 perspective but the graphics are, even for a downloadable title, pretty much abysmal for a current title. Now it doesn't look like a N64 game any more, it looks like a game with blocky geometry and wonky textures. Something i wouldn't mind so much in a game from 2000 :P
Basically, i think the original looks a lot better considering the hardware, and they should have done a better job with the upgrade or just kept it vanilla.
The "why bother" is only directed at the gfx though, i understand quite well why they are re-releasing it.
Mate, it's the original game that's retaining everything from back then, only sharpening it up. It's not meant to be a total re-write for current gen tech. It is not a new title. Much like Doom on XBLA was, I doubt fans of the original would have been happy if they'd made the monsters all high polygonal, with super HD bump mapped textures. If they did, why bother? It would just be Doom 2.5 somewhere in between Doom 3 or a half arsed Doom 3. If you wanted that, then they could just port Doom 3 over. Point is, if they wanted to ramp the game up to current gen standards, then there would be no point in releasing it over XBLA. It would have been DLC for PDZ. How many FPS's on XBLA have a current gen look to them? None. This port will do nicely as an arcade game. No one wants to pay 1600 points for something that looks slightly better than this.
Commented on 2010-02-13 18:50:37 In reply to Doom_Bringer
Posted by Doom_Bringer
looks lame
who wants to play a FPS from 1998 in 2010? I think nostalgia is strong with this one but it will let people down IMO. Looks like a corridor shooter to boot
Yeah, you're off by 2 years, but nevermind. So you never played the original PD? Where you living under a rock? PD was so much more than a corridor shooter. To say something like that just shows a complete lack of respect for a classic and a lack of knowledge about the game in general.
This just reminds me and I'm sure others that they should have just done a Goldeneye re-release instead of Perfect Dark. I realize the complexity of that issue already though, just sayin.
Commented on 2010-02-13 19:31:44 In reply to dingleberry
Posted by dingleberry
Yeah, you're off by 2 years, but nevermind. So you never played the original PD? Where you living under a rock? PD was so much more than a corridor shooter. To say something like that just shows a complete lack of respect for a classic and a lack of knowledge about the game in general.
Nostalgia is playing a bit part though your post proves it, I doubt the FPS genre would be any worse for wear if PD never existed.
Commented on 2010-02-13 19:40:56 In reply to Jollipop
Posted by Jollipop
Nostalgia is playing a bit part though your post proves it, I doubt the FPS genre would be any worse for wear if PD never existed.
Actually, it would be poorer for it IMO. PD implimented a lot of ideas that forwarded the genre on consoles. Sure it was only the followup to the most defining console FPS ever, and don't even mention Halo.
Commented on 2010-02-13 19:49:41 In reply to RYANSENSEI
Posted by RYANSENSEI
it's pure fan service.
Indeed, that's exactly what it is. It's pure nostalgia, and although I 'get' nostalgia, games like this will hardly impress anyone that never played and loved the original.
So I definitely get the criticism towards this game, but I also (kind of) get the point of this game. But I don't get the hype for it...
So I definitely get the criticism towards this game, but I also (kind of) get the point of this game. But I don't get the hype for it...
I do. PDZ was a massive let down. For some, a remake of the original would have done, but as that didn't come, a port of the N64 game will have to do. Oh, and it's a chance to test the MP over Live. I got the impression back then that the maps were designed, and crying out to have more than 4 human controlled players on them. There were so many sniping spots for that player guided rocket to reak havok with.
exactly..it's a game for the people that asked for it. A few here are missing the point of it. Complaining that it should look different from how it originally hit 2 generations ago - thats not the game people asked for. You were offered that in PDZ.
This, along with Goldeneye (can't happen), and Killer instinct, has long been demanded of Rare.. so to complain that it's now being offered at a faultless 60fps, in 1080p, 4 player splitscreen, 8 player online.... rather than it being a simple emulation with all the technical faults and limitation that go along with that.. seems strange to me.
Commented on 2010-02-13 21:27:05 In reply to bleachedsmiles
Posted by bleachedsmiles
exactly..it's a game for the people that asked for it. A few here are missing the point of it. Complaining that it should look different from how it originally hit 2 generations ago - thats not the game people asked for. You were offered that in PDZ.
This, along with Goldeneye (can't happen), and Killer instinct, has long been demanded of Rare.. so to complain that it's now being offered at a faultless 60fps, in 1080p, 4 player splitscreen, 8 player online.... rather than it being a simple emulation with all the technical faults and limitation that go along with that.. seems strange to me.
Absolutely and i really don't understand all the negative
I still have my N64's (5 of them in fact) and despite my keeping them for mostly Goldeneye and PD, the idea of playing an even more snazzy version is something i'm very happy about here
The game does still hold up and it's a great chance to do it all again with it looking extra lovely to boot
The atmosphere as a result of all the new will be slighly different i imagine what with re-imagined textures and a bigger sense of space, but change is good too
And 800 points is something you frankly can't moan about either
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Commented on 2010-02-13 15:23:15 In reply to MegidoThey cleaned up the look and made it HD because most of us played N64 games on small SD screens.. stretching those SD textures out on bigger HD screens would make the game look far worse. Where as now it's kept it's shine, and artistic merit
Commented on 2010-02-13 15:34:29http://images.gamersyde.com/image_perfect_dark_xbl...
All i'm saying is that if they are going to make such minor updates, why bother at all?
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Commented on 2010-02-13 16:13:17 In reply to Megidohttp://images.gamersyde.com/image_perfect_dark_xbl...
All i'm saying is that if they are going to make such minor updates, why bother at all?
They port Perfect Dark to 360, upgrade the graphics pretty significantly and you say, "why bother?".
Commented on 2010-02-13 16:29:33Basically, i think the original looks a lot better considering the hardware, and they should have done a better job with the upgrade or just kept it vanilla.
The "why bother" is only directed at the gfx though, i understand quite well why they are re-releasing it.
Commented on 2010-02-13 16:49:23who wants to play a FPS from 1998 in 2010? I think nostalgia is strong with this one but it will let people down IMO. Looks like a corridor shooter to boot
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Commented on 2010-02-13 17:13:15 In reply to Doom_Bringerwho wants to play a FPS from 1998 in 2010? I think nostalgia is strong with this one but it will let people down IMO. Looks like a corridor shooter to boot
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Commented on 2010-02-13 18:46:54 In reply to MegidoBasically, i think the original looks a lot better considering the hardware, and they should have done a better job with the upgrade or just kept it vanilla.
The "why bother" is only directed at the gfx though, i understand quite well why they are re-releasing it.
Commented on 2010-02-13 18:50:37 In reply to Doom_Bringerwho wants to play a FPS from 1998 in 2010? I think nostalgia is strong with this one but it will let people down IMO. Looks like a corridor shooter to boot
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Commented on 2010-02-13 19:49:41 In reply to RYANSENSEISo I definitely get the criticism towards this game, but I also (kind of) get the point of this game. But I don't get the hype for it...
Commented on 2010-02-13 20:00:51 In reply to Jato
Commented on 2010-02-13 20:06:41This, along with Goldeneye (can't happen), and Killer instinct, has long been demanded of Rare.. so to complain that it's now being offered at a faultless 60fps, in 1080p, 4 player splitscreen, 8 player online.... rather than it being a simple emulation with all the technical faults and limitation that go along with that.. seems strange to me.
Commented on 2010-02-13 21:27:05 In reply to bleachedsmilesThis, along with Goldeneye (can't happen), and Killer instinct, has long been demanded of Rare.. so to complain that it's now being offered at a faultless 60fps, in 1080p, 4 player splitscreen, 8 player online.... rather than it being a simple emulation with all the technical faults and limitation that go along with that.. seems strange to me.
I still have my N64's (5 of them in fact) and despite my keeping them for mostly Goldeneye and PD, the idea of playing an even more snazzy version is something i'm very happy about here
The game does still hold up and it's a great chance to do it all again with it looking extra lovely to boot
The atmosphere as a result of all the new will be slighly different i imagine what with re-imagined textures and a bigger sense of space, but change is good too
And 800 points is something you frankly can't moan about either
This will likely be one of xbla's biggest sellers