What's on the menu in PES 2010

Commented on 2009-08-17 14:33:33

Bring on Gamescon. Really looking forward to seeing this and FIFA 10 in action.

Out of interest, will you guys be recording some gameplay videos for these two games?

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Driftwood

Commented on 2009-08-17 14:36:04 In reply to blmbox

If it's allowed, we will, just like last year.

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masteratt

Commented on 2009-08-17 14:37:50

Along with this came a press statement.

360 movement along with other features announced.
Link: http://www.pesfan.com/news/8378298/PES-2010%3A-360...

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blmbox

Commented on 2009-08-17 14:41:43 In reply to Driftwood

Posted by Driftwood

If it's allowed, we will, just like last year.

Sweet, cheers. :)

Posted by masteratt

Along with this came a press statement.

360 movement along with other features announced.
Link: http://www.pesfan.com/news/8378298/PES-2010%3A-360...

360 movement?! Damn, that came out of nowhere...

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blmbox

Commented on 2009-08-17 15:00:30

Hmm. After reading some hands-on previews - most notably Eurogamer's - PES 2010 seems to be the case of "greatly improved, but still not as good as FIFA". That's a bit disappointing to be honest, although I'll wait until both demos have been released to make my decision of which one to get.

Eurogamer's comment that PES 2010 'plays similar to FIFA 09' sounds good, but not when you consider that people who have played FIFA 10 said they can't go back to playing FIFA 09.

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radsy

Commented on 2009-08-17 15:23:45

hey DRIFTWOOD , tell snoopy and BLIM that we want some gameplay with sound this time :)

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Brooklyn

Commented on 2009-08-17 15:59:41

Very dull and uninspiring, as it's usual with PES screen shots.

"Character models are top notch." Seriously? I always found them to be quite lackluster.

FIFA 10's Lampard on the other hand is what player models should look like if you want authenticity:

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/562/lampardfifa...

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dialMforMike

Commented on 2009-08-17 16:10:43

Regardless of playermodels, which do help in creating immersion but are usually only seen from quite a distance, for me it's "little" things like "The Big One: LIVERPOOL FC VS LONDON FC", that get to me. How easy is it to adjust player/team/stadium names in PES?

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bleachedsmiles

Commented on 2009-08-17 17:07:41

faces look very good.. weither it will look anything like that in motion as i play is the question

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dingleberry

Commented on 2009-08-17 17:27:22

In the screenshot where Liverpool and Barca are in the tunnel, it's clear that a lot of effort has been spent on polycount and texturing on the faces and they do look very accurate there, hardly surprising considering these two are the poster teams of the game, so. However, even in this screen it's still apparant that the player models themselves are still lacking. To me it sort of reminds me still of last gen player models and the texturing is as if a couple of modders got a hold of PES 2009 on the PC and slapped high res maps over the faces. It's just got a very flat and cheap look to it, and that's mainly down to the lighting. Also, look at Pepe Reina's gloves! Oven mits! AGAIN! I mean, this kind of slackness is inexcusable.

The first screen of the in-game shot of Henry, Ronaldo and co. emphasis what I was talking about regarding how different the faces look once they are on the pitch with facial expressions. Look at Ronaldo there: he looks like a horse with those teeth, and Kaka looks more like Danny Agger than Kaka. It's me nit-picking, yes; but that first shot screams PES 2008 all over it with slightly better lighting and better textures and player face models, but not the overall model itself. Still got a very old and archiac look to it, and even more so now in light of that other football sim, which is pretty much battering everything this game is doing in every single department. Konami's battle is already lost. They just don't know it yet.

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In the screenshot where Liverpool and Barca are in the tunnel, it's clear that a lot of effort has been spent on polycount and texturing on the faces and they do look very accurate there, hardly surprising considering these two are the poster teams of the game, so. However, even in this screen it's still apparant that the player models themselves are still lacking. To me it sort of reminds me still of last gen player models and the texturing is as if a couple of modders got a hold of PES 2009 on the PC and slapped high res maps over the faces. It's just got a very flat and cheap look to it, and that's mainly down to the lighting. Also, look at Pepe Reina's gloves! Oven mits! AGAIN! I mean, this kind of slackness is inexcusable.

The first screen of the in-game shot of Henry, Ronaldo and co. emphasis what I was talking about regarding how different the faces look once they are on the pitch with facial expressions. Look at Ronaldo there: he looks like a horse with those teeth, and Kaka looks more like Danny Agger than Kaka. It's me nit-picking, yes; but that first shot screams PES 2008 all over it with slightly better lighting and better textures and player face models, but not the overall model itself. Still got a very old and archiac look to it, and even more so now in light of that other football sim, which is pretty much battering everything this game is doing in every single department. Konami's battle is already lost. They just don't know it yet.

Jollipop

Commented on 2009-08-17 18:20:37 In reply to Driftwood

Posted by Driftwood

If it's allowed, we will, just like last year.

Make sure you get plenty on FF14 :D

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blmbox

Commented on 2009-08-17 18:30:19 In reply to dingleberry

@ Dingleberry:

It still looks better than FIFA's though, and I don't understand why you're continuing to argue against that - if anything's an already lost battle, it's that.

Don't get me wrong, FIFA looks better visually from a wide angle - in other words, what you see whilst actually playing - but if there's one thing PES has always come out on top in, it's player faces.

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Brooklyn

Commented on 2009-08-17 18:45:17

blmbox: Nobody is arguing against that, I thought it was clear the argument here was about the character models which don't even compare to FIFA's.

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Trebby

Commented on 2009-08-17 21:57:49

These actually brought PES back in the game for me.

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Jin187

Commented on 2009-08-17 22:54:13

Yeah its pretty obvious that PES has the better looking player models.

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ronaldo24

Commented on 2009-08-17 23:21:02

great pes10 news today, thanks to fifa09, made konami realised they need to listen to the fans to win they fans back, they seems to be working hard this year. its always good for football fans to have to football games hopefully this year

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dingleberry

Commented on 2009-08-18 00:54:32

OK, had another ganders at these screenies, and honestly, nothing is new...at all. The faces are better, yes; but those models STILL have that PS2 appearance to them. There are two flaws I've spotted in the image where Liverpool and Barca are in the tunnel, and I have to ask this: is Pepe Reina baking a cake? Look at them gloves. How can anyone say those models are good when details like that are so atrociously done. Another mistake is that they don't even have Liverpool's kit accurate. Look at the collar. LFC's kit has a V-neck. It's not round like in these screens. Also, are they waiting for a train? Looks like they are in a underground train station in New York or something.

You may think I'm being pedantic, but these details are important. If they are slacking at the little things, then how on earth can they expect to even compete with what EA are going to put out in Fifa 10? This game ain't winning no fans back, and if it does, then they are wasting 40 quid because I know already where my money is going...again.

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OK, had another ganders at these screenies, and honestly, nothing is new...at all. The faces are better, yes; but those models STILL have that PS2 appearance to them. There are two flaws I've spotted in the image where Liverpool and Barca are in the tunnel, and I have to ask this: is Pepe Reina baking a cake? Look at them gloves. How can anyone say those models are good when details like that are so atrociously done. Another mistake is that they don't even have Liverpool's kit accurate. Look at the collar. LFC's kit has  a V-neck. It's not round like in these screens. Also, are they waiting for a train? Looks like they are in a underground train station in New York or something.

You may think I'm being pedantic, but these details are important. If they are slacking at the little things, then how on earth can they expect to even compete with what EA are going to put out in Fifa 10? This game ain't winning no fans back, and if it does, then they are wasting 40 quid because I know already where my money is going...again.

KORNdog

Commented on 2009-08-18 01:10:23 In reply to dingleberry

Posted by dingleberry

OK, had another ganders at these screenies, and honestly, nothing is new...at all. The faces are better, yes; but those models STILL have that PS2 appearance to them. There are two flaws I've spotted in the image where Liverpool and Barca are in the tunnel, and I have to ask this: is Pepe Reina baking a cake? Look at them gloves. How can anyone say those models are good when details like that are so atrociously done. Another mistake is that they don't even have Liverpool's kit accurate. Look at the collar. LFC's kit has a V-neck. It's not round like in these screens. Also, are they waiting for a train? Looks like they are in a underground train station in New York or something.

You may think I'm being pedantic, but these details are important. If they are slacking at the little things, then how on earth can they expect to even compete with what EA are going to put out in Fifa 10? This game ain't winning no fans back, and if it does, then they are wasting 40 quid because I know already where my money is going...again.

despite the inconsistencies, the fact remains that those player models looks better then what fifa has to offer. that's all people are saying. and it's true.

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[quote=dingleberry]OK, had another ganders at these screenies, and honestly, nothing is new...at all. The faces are better, yes; but those models STILL have that PS2 appearance to them. There are two flaws I've spotted in the image where Liverpool and Barca are in the tunnel, and I have to ask this: is Pepe Reina baking a cake? Look at them gloves. How can anyone say those models are good when details like that are so atrociously done. Another mistake is that they don't even have Liverpool's kit accurate. Look at the collar. LFC's kit has  a V-neck. It's not round like in these screens. Also, are they waiting for a train? Looks like they are in a underground train station in New York or something.

You may think I'm being pedantic, but these details are important. If they are slacking at the little things, then how on earth can they expect to even compete with what EA are going to put out in Fifa 10? This game ain't winning no fans back, and if it does, then they are wasting 40 quid because I know already where my money is going...again.[/quote]

despite the inconsistencies, the fact remains that those player models looks better then what fifa has to offer. that's all people are saying. and it's true.

milin_im

Commented on 2009-08-18 03:02:27 In reply to dingleberry

Doesn't the liverpool 2009-2010 kit have a rounded neck? I thought it had. :S

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ronaldo24

Commented on 2009-08-18 11:28:18

the kits are still work in progres, as the game is not finished yet, but i agree with the shape of the gloves, it could have been done better.
and yes there is no train waiting bullshit, its just a screenshot, if i take a pic of fifa09 at the exactly same spot in tunnel, would look the same, u have to see the game moving to judge, the player models, graphic, gameplay end everything ealse, hopefully we will see some videos soon in here. about modeling in general, pes always was on top, especialy the players faces, there is a large number of players having the real face in the games, sins in ps2 days. in fifa always had huge amount of generic faces in the game, apart from the big clubs, even the big clubs had some wired faces, but i must admit in fifa09 the players models and the faces have improved greatly.
the most importend thing is the gameplay, reading news from people whu played the code 60% of fifa10 and 70% code of pes10, it sems both games have impoved alot which is fantastic news. i guess only the demo will make people decide which game to buy, me personaly i will get them both, depending if i enjoy both demos

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the kits are still work in progres, as the game is not finished yet, but i agree with the shape of the gloves, it could have been done better. 
and yes there is no train waiting bullshit, its just a screenshot, if i take a pic of fifa09 at the exactly same spot in tunnel, would look the same, u have to see the game moving to judge, the player models, graphic, gameplay end everything ealse, hopefully we will see some videos soon in here. about modeling in general, pes always was on top, especialy the players faces, there is a large number of players having the real face in the games, sins in ps2 days. in fifa always had huge amount of generic faces in the game, apart from the big clubs, even the big clubs had some wired faces, but i must admit in fifa09 the players models and the faces have improved greatly.
the most importend thing is the gameplay, reading news from people whu played the code 60% of fifa10 and 70% code of pes10, it sems both games have impoved alot which is fantastic news. i guess only the demo will make people decide which game to buy, me personaly i will get them both, depending if i enjoy both demos

k79

Commented on 2009-08-18 12:16:41 In reply to Brooklyn

Posted by Brooklyn

FIFA 10's Lampard on the other hand is what player models should look like if you want authenticity:

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/562/lampardfifa...

Lampard looks slightly off tbh.

http://images.gamersyde.com/image_pes_2010-11344-1...

The above, however, looks incredibly accurate. If this is representative for the full game then the PES team nailed it imho.

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SchuddeBuikje

Commented on 2009-08-18 14:36:22

Looks a lot better than last year.

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Brooklyn

Commented on 2009-08-18 15:44:11

KORNdog: Not even close. I take it you haven't seen much of FIFA 10 or FIFA 09 for that matter to claim such a thing. The character models on PES have always looked identical and very outdated. They emphasized on how some "hair" was added this time on the players arms, but that hardly makes any difference.

Anyway, the latest screens & trailer of FIFA 10 put this argument to rest, there is absolutely no contest:

http://fifasoccerblog.com/files/2009/08/x360_omxol...

http://fifasoccerblog.com/files/2009/08/x360_manux...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHqreLo82do

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