Battlefield 3 -- Now with *less* suppression! - Main forum

Since 7013 Days

Posted by Sath

sometimes I die within a few shots and that aint a Magnum or shotgun.

That's because they're hitting you. Guns kill quick in this game. If you feel like you've emptied an entire mag into a player and they're not dead--you didn't. You emptied an entire mag into the air around them.

You should get over the grip. It's not very good anymore.

Posted by Viginti_Tres

Finally us Xbots got the patch, too. After 3 hours of playtime I really like this patch. I like how each weapon is different in its characteristics, something I've missed before.

That said there are some beastly guns out there, each exceptional in its role. I really liked the AK-74M and the AKS with heavy barrel. The M4A4 is still good, but considering you have to play more cautious anyway I find it hard to justify giving up the laser beam accuracy of the AKs. The SG553 seems to be a good middleground between the two.

I tried the M240B and from what I can tell this is a beastly gun. It drops enemies like no other, I love it. Haven't played with any other LMGs, but I'll definetely check out the RPK.

And I'm the last guy to scream overpowered, I didn't even think the FAMAS was OP since it had a lot of drawbacks that made it a one trick pony. But the SKS is seriously OP. That thing has virtually no recoil with a flash suppressor. It's so accurate I can drop enemies at virtually any distance and it has very good hip fire. The intended role is medium range combat, and it's probably the best weapon for that. But as far as I can tell it has no drawbacks. imo it should at least suffer a penalty in close range combat like any other sniper.

As for the rest of the changes, mostly I think they were good. Tanks were way too powerfull before the patch and imo they still are incredibly effective against infantry and even helis (with a competent tank crew that is). Ceramic armor extends their lifespan consierably, it's essentially a must have perk now. Of course you're finished when you get engy bombed, but that's the way it works and imo it makes tank combat way more interesting and fast paced.

And while everything runs faster and smother now the changes to suppression made infantry combat a crawl fest, I don't like it. The concept of it is good, but it's way too much. It shouldn't play any role at all at short ranges, imo.

I mostly agree, although I hate what they did to the grip and silencer, I will be fine without them. The grip is borderline destructive to most gun's performance now.

I hate the PKP btw.. one more reason for me to hate support players. Boo!

The new feet for my deathadder finally arrived.. yay!

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[quote=Sath]sometimes I die within a few shots and that aint a Magnum or shotgun.[/quote]

That's because they're hitting you. Guns kill quick in this game. If you feel like you've emptied an entire mag into a player and they're not dead--you didn't. You emptied an entire mag into the air around them.

You should get over the grip. It's not very good anymore.

[quote=Viginti_Tres]Finally us Xbots got the patch, too. After 3 hours of playtime I really like this patch. I like how each weapon is different in its characteristics, something I've missed before.

That said there are some beastly guns out there, each exceptional in its role. I really liked the AK-74M and the AKS with heavy barrel. The M4A4 is still good, but considering you have to play more cautious anyway I find it hard to justify giving up the laser beam accuracy of the AKs. The SG553 seems to be a good middleground between the two.

I tried the M240B and from what I can tell this is a beastly gun. It drops enemies like no other, I love it. Haven't played with any other LMGs, but I'll definetely check out the RPK.

And I'm the last guy to scream overpowered, I didn't even think the FAMAS was OP since it had a lot of drawbacks that made it a one trick pony. But the SKS is seriously OP. That thing has virtually no recoil with a flash suppressor. It's so accurate I can drop enemies at virtually any distance and it has very good hip fire. The intended role is medium range combat, and it's probably the best weapon for that. But as far as I can tell it has no drawbacks. imo it should at least suffer a penalty in close range combat like any other sniper.

As for the rest of the changes, mostly I think they were good. Tanks were way too powerfull before the patch and imo they still are incredibly effective against infantry and even helis (with a competent tank crew that is). Ceramic armor extends their lifespan consierably, it's essentially a must have perk now. Of course you're finished when you get engy bombed, but that's the way it works and imo it makes tank combat way more interesting and fast paced.

And while everything runs faster and smother now the changes to suppression made infantry combat a crawl fest, I don't like it. The concept of it is good, but it's way too much. It shouldn't play any role at all at short ranges, imo.[/quote]

I mostly agree, although I hate what they did to the grip and silencer, I will be fine without them. The grip is borderline destructive to most gun's performance now.

I hate the PKP btw.. one more reason for me to hate support players. Boo!

The new feet for my deathadder finally arrived.. yay!

Sath

Since 6880 Days

@Grift

All of my shots is hitting them with getting a hit marker, thats clearly obvious that I am hitting them.

I would love to know and get tips on how PS3 players can get snapshots so damn quickly, if its me just sucking at quick aim precision or its something with the analog, I dont know (probably me lol).
For example I would see the enemy first and by the time I aim at them (their direction is not on me) they turn and kill me quickly, I sometimes dont even make to shoot at them.

But I am still hanging in there to learn to master the aim and the weapons as much as possible considering I love so many stuff the game has.

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Viginti_Tres

Since 6515 Days

Posted by Sath

For example I would see the enemy first and by the time I aim at them (their direction is not on me) they turn and kill me quickly, I sometimes dont even make to shoot at them.

If you want tips you should watch rivalXfactors youtube channel, simply following his advice will improve your gameplay tremendously.

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GriftGFX

Since 7013 Days

Posted by Viginti_Tres

If you want tips you should watch rivalXfactors youtube channel, simply following his advice will improve your gameplay tremendously.

I've been trying to tell people that forever. He's a great resource. He's not going to help him improve his aim on the PS3 though :)

There's still plenty to pick up on there on any platform though.

I went back to the M16A3 a bit.. it was a bit like returning to an old friend. Just running the flash suppressor right now, which is working pretty well. If you don't like recoil Sath, that's definitely a good attachment to try.

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GriftGFX

Since 7013 Days

They added a live scoreboard to the server browser on Battlelog, but I don't have it yet. Damn staggered rollouts.

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Sath

Since 6880 Days

I am sporting a M416+foregrip+flash suppressor+3.4 scope, very nice combo IMO, can be recoily but its a solid mod for it and if you pick your shots, great!
The M16A3 is fantastic! Reflex scope, foregrip and and a heavy barrell OR a silencer, very cool weapon.

I like the reflex scope much more than the KOBRA, I hate it lol.

Thing is on PS3 i cant take tips from someone about recoil and aim that is on PC since on PC you have more precision and light movement to pull the weapon down and control it, on analogs its harder.
And on PC, there is no input lag, something that is on PS3.

After hours of playing BF3, I went to play Killzone 3, one match, I absolutely loved how fast and smooth the aiming was and I was great at it. Fast reactions and whatnot, its something wrong with the game and DICE got to fix this shit since its 50/50 that makes it rather unplayable for me and I am not the only one who is saying this.

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Sath

Since 6880 Days

One thing I hate about the game, as much as I love being revived by good medics in my team, I hate to be revived right before I can deploy or waited long seconds in a "killcam" in a heated situation just so I can get killed within 2-3 seconds again and I have to wait longer to get back in the game.

I dont understand why medics are basically playing God, i mean if someone is dead they are dead, you cant revive them again, its silly.
I find Killzone to do this perfectly. If you are down but not dead you can see them moving then you can revive them. But if they get killed plain simple then thats the end of it, there is no way of "resurrecting" someone.

I think that alone as playing God as a medic helps more respawning over and over and help camping with combined with squad respawn.
I seriously hate this feature and how its designed.

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GriftGFX

Since 7013 Days

Because you're not dead, you're down. There are circumstances where you're un-revivable.. and holy shit.. it's a game. Medics are awesome.

Thing is on PS3 i cant take tips from someone about recoil and aim that is on PC since on PC you have more precision and light movement to pull the weapon down and control it, on analogs its harder.

Well, it may be harder to control but it's principally the same thing.

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Sath

Since 6880 Days

Posted by GriftGFX

Because you're not dead, you're down. There are circumstances where you're un-revivable.. and holy shit.. it's a game. Medics are awesome.

Thing is on PS3 i cant take tips from someone about recoil and aim that is on PC since on PC you have more precision and light movement to pull the weapon down and control it, on analogs its harder.

Well, it may be harder to control but it's principally the same thing.

Well most of the times you can revive them, or should I say, resurrect them, and more than once, happened to me LOL
Just let me die and re-deploy for god sakes and stop taking my time to do so!

Also, the principle is the same of course, but harder to do.
Hence I should take tips from someone from PS3 player and how his set up is, on sensitivity, set up that combines well with the analog...etc. its a bit different IMO.

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Phaethon360

Since 6859 Days

Posted by GriftGFX

Because you're not dead, you're down. There are circumstances where you're un-revivable.. and holy shit.. it's a game. Medics are awesome.

Thing is on PS3 i cant take tips from someone about recoil and aim that is on PC since on PC you have more precision and light movement to pull the weapon down and control it, on analogs its harder.

Well, it may be harder to control but it's principally the same thing.

lol, remember that time I revived myself? That was the weirdest/coolest glitch ever.

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Sath

Since 6880 Days

Posted by Phaethon360

lol, remember that time I revived myself? That was the weirdest/coolest glitch ever.

Must be a walking dead glitch :P

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Doom_Bringer

Since 6337 Days

Metro rush is an awful map, just had a infuriating round yesterday. It's wrose than those shitty BC2 Vietnam rush maps

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Sath

Since 6880 Days

Posted by Doom_Bringer

Metro rush is an awful map, just had a infuriating round yesterday. It's wrose than those shitty BC2 Vietnam rush maps

Agreed. Its a snipers campfest for those defending it.
I usually go for Conquest.

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Frozpot

Since 6772 Days

AArrrgh. I've been itching to get back to this again (been busy), and I can't stay in a game for more than a couple minutes before Punkbuster kicks me... Pissed off...

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Oooh, Profound, isn't it?

GriftGFX

Since 7013 Days

Did you try manually updating PB? I've never had a problem with punk buster and this game.. I'm not sure what the big deal is.

http://www.evenbalance.com/index.php?page=pbsetup....

Download PBSetup and manually update BF3.

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Frozpot

Since 6772 Days

Thanks man, I'll give it a try. I just figured it would be a part of the new update..

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Oooh, Profound, isn't it?

GriftGFX

Since 7013 Days

Posted by Frozpot

Thanks man, I'll give it a try. I just figured it would be a part of the new update..

I've literally never had a problem with PB+BF3, so I'm not really sure how these types of PB issues arise in the first place. I've had to manually update several other games in the past though, and it's usually resolved the issue.

This seems pretty fucking cool: http://getbblog.com/

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Sath

Since 6880 Days

A-91 + PK-A (3.4) + Foregrip + Heavy Barell = fucking A!

I was surprised how fantastic the weapon felt, extremely powerful and can be accurate. Once I started using it, I kept dominating in my team than any other weapon before it.
My last match in TDM was 65/10 on K/D, highest on both teams and we won all the times and I kept getting on top. Nobody else got above 40 kills lol.

Weapon is fantastic. I just need a ACOG scope instead, its also a 3.4 zoom.
One of the better weapons and combination I have gone for. Other than the AEK-971 + foregrip and iron sight and heavy barrel.

For long range and accuracy I figured out that the Heavy Barrel does the trick so I go with that one and the foregrip, good to go.
I am so mixed with the game, sometimes I love it, sometimes it gets on my nerves with alot of "wtf" moments in gunplay, mostly when you shoot more than 10 shots with all hit markers showing and they wont die.

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GriftGFX

Since 7013 Days

I can't stand zoom on my SMG's and assault rifles, but if you've found something you're comfortable with, more power to ya! The grip does tend to cancel the goodness of the heavy barrel on most guns btw, at least a little. It's hard to say with any accuracy how the attachments are actually functioning until Symthic.com finishes updating the accuracy plots. Hopefully that will land soon. I have to wonder if you're seeing "10 shots all with hit markers" or if you're firing bursts and seeing a blip and assuming every bullet hit. Regardless...

I've been running the M16A3 again with just the flash suppressor and I'm going to keep at it until I hit 10,000 M16A3 kills. It still feels awesome.

I also love the A-91. I have to recommend Back 2 Karkand too. The maps are really great and the 10 guns you get are also a nice addition. If you keep playing, it's easily recommendable.

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Sath

Since 6880 Days

I use 3.4 scopes or reflex (i love the dot and hate the KOBRA version), so I have variety depending on my situation, map...etc.

But I dont know, Foregrip seems to work, but like you said, it is difficult to know for sure.

I have used semi and full auto and when I hit the enemy and get hit markers it feels like bulletsponge to me that they dont die.
In Hardcore mode (LOVE the hit damage) is exactly proof that I am hitting them perfectly, I wish the normal hit damage was like Hardcore since that to me is good enough to make sure you are more careful around you.

Now about the DLC, considering I am so mixed about BF3, I wont be getting any DLC for it, I guess not until DICE makes a new patch for PS3 to fix the stupid input lag and weapon recoil.
I dont even know how long I will play BF3 lol

Btw, this "Steady scope" thing, which scopes does it mean?
Is it only on snipers with alot of zoom in or does it work with regular assault rifles and ACOG for example? Because I am not noticing much when I use it.
On PS3 its L3 button (option being PRESS or HOLD).

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I use 3.4 scopes or reflex (i love the dot and hate the KOBRA version), so I have variety depending on my situation, map...etc.

But I dont know, Foregrip seems to work, but like you said, it is difficult to know for sure.

I have used semi and full auto and when I hit the enemy and get hit markers it feels like bulletsponge to me that they dont die.
In Hardcore mode (LOVE the hit damage) is exactly proof that I am hitting them perfectly, I wish the normal hit damage was like Hardcore since that to me is good enough to make sure you are more careful around you.

Now about the DLC, considering I am so mixed about BF3, I wont be getting any DLC for it, I guess not until DICE makes a new patch for PS3 to fix the stupid input lag and weapon recoil.
I dont even know how long I will play BF3 lol

Btw, this "Steady scope" thing, which scopes does it mean?
Is it only on snipers with alot of zoom in or does it work with regular assault rifles and ACOG for example? Because I am not noticing much when I use it.
On PS3 its L3 button (option being PRESS or HOLD).

GriftGFX

Since 7013 Days

Hardcore damage is the same as vanilla. Players have 60 health in hardcore. Nothing under 8X except the IR scope has sway.

They don't need to fix weapon recoil. This isn't supposed to be Call of Duty. Learn to control your fire and your accuracy will improve and so will the time it takes to drop baddies. And I'm sure the grip works.. but I don't think decreasing horizontal recoil is worth the accuracy penalty.

Here's some data on attachments--I'm trying to figure out if it's current.

Posted by SMG

“dec.” - Positive (Benefit). Decrease in value less recoil & more accuracy (less spread)
“inc.” - Negative (Penalty). Increase in value, more recoil & less accuracy (more spread)
“H-Bar” - Heavy Barrel
Laser Sight – 50% hip spread dec. (All weapons unless listed otherwise)

A91
Flash Supp: 25% V-recoil dec, 33% hip spread inc
Foregrip: 20% H-recoil dec, 25% ADS spread inc
H-Bar: 75% ADS spread dec, 15% V-recoil inc, 33% hip spread inc
Silencer: 25% ADS spread dec, 10% V-recoil dec, 67% hip spread inc

AKS-74U
Flash Supp: 18% V-recoil dec, 25% hip spread inc
Foregrip: 33% H-recoil dec, 25% ADS spread inc
H-Bar: 75% ADS spread dec, 7% V-recoil inc, 25% hip spread inc
Silencer: 25% ADS spread dec, 10% V-recoil dec, 50% hip spread inc

G36C
Flash Supp: 17% V-recoil dec, 25% hip spread inc
Foregrip: 33% H-recoil dec, 25% ADS spread inc
H-Bar: 75% ADS spread dec, 10% V-recoil inc, 25% hip spread inc
Silencer: 25% ADS spread dec, 10% V-recoil dec, 50% hip spread inc

M4A1
Flash Supp: 20% V-recoil dec, 20% hip spread inc
Foregrip: 33% H-recoil dec, 34% ADS spread inc
H-Bar: 75% ADS spread dec, 15% V-recoil inc, 25% hip spread inc
Silencer: 25% ADS spread dec, 10% V-recoil dec, 50% hip spread inc

SCAR-H
Flash Supp: 27.5% V-recoil dec, 20% hip spread inc
Foregrip: 50% H-recoil dec, 25% ADS spread inc
H-Bar: 75% ADS spread dec, 6% V-recoil inc, 20% hip spread inc
Silencer: 25% ADS spread dec, 10% V-recoil dec, 40% hip spread inc

SG553
Flash Supp: 20% V-recoil dec, 25% hip spread inc
Foregrip: 25% H-recoil dec, 25% ADS spread inc
H-Bar: 75% ADS spread dec, 12% V-recoil inc, 25% hip spread inc
Silencer: 25% ADS spread dec, 10% V-recoil dec, 50% hip spread inc

HK53
Flash Supp: 18% V-recoil dec, 25% hip spread inc
Foregrip: 33% H-recoil dec, 25% ADS spread inc
H-Bar: 75% ADS spread dec, 10.7% V-recoil inc, 25% hip spread inc
Silencer: 25% ADS spread dec, 10% V-recoil dec, 50% hip spread inc

QBZ-95B
Flash Supp: 25% V-recoil dec, 33% hip spread inc
H-Bar: 75% ADS spread dec, 15% V-recoil inc, 33% hip spread inc
Silencer: 25% ADS spread dec, 10% V-recoil dec, 67% hip spread inc

-The QBZ-95B has no Foregrip attachment

There is a “Burst” attachment listed in the M4A1 files with the following values. They may or may not represent the burst version of the M4A1. Testing should be conducted before any conclusions are drawn.
M4 Burst*
50% ADS spread dec, 25% H-recoil dec, 12% V-recoil inc

Posted by AR

“dec.” - Positive (Benefit). Decrease in value less recoil & more accuracy (less spread)
“inc.” - Negative (Penalty). Increase in value, more recoil & less accuracy (more spread)
“H-Bar” - Heavy Barrel
Laser Sight – 50% hip spread dec. (All weapons unless listed otherwise)

AEK-971
Flash Supp: 25% V-recoil dec, 20% hip spread inc
Foregrip: 20% H-recoil dec, 34% ADS spread inc
H-Bar: 75% ADS spread dec, 15% V-recoil inc, 20% hip spread inc
Silencer: 25% ADS spread dec, 10% V-recoil dec, 40% hip spread inc

AK-74M
Flash supp: 18% V-recoil dec, 20% hip spread inc
Foregrip: 34% H-recoil dec, 50% ADS spread inc
H-Bar: 75% ADS spread dec, 7% V-recoil inc, 20% hip spread inc
Silencer: 25% ADS spread dec, 10% V-recoil dec, 40% hip spread inc

AN-94
Flash Supp: 17% V-recoil dec, 20% hip spread inc
Foregrip: 34% H-recoil dec, 50% ADS spread inc
H-Bar: 75% ADS spread dec, 10% V-recoil inc, 20% hip spread inc
Silencer: 25% ADS spread dec, 10% V-recoil dec, 40% hip spread inc

F2000
Flash Supp: 20% V-recoil dec, 25% hip spread inc
Foregrip: 20% H-recoil dec, 34% ADS spread inc
H-Bar: 75% ADS spread dec, 15% V-recoil inc, 30% hip spread inc
Silencer: 25% ADS spread dec, 10% V-recoil dec, 50% hip spread inc

G3A3
Flash Supp: 27.5% V-recoil dec, 14.3% hip spread inc
Foregrip: 50% H-recoil dec, 100% ADS spread inc
H-Bar: 75% ADS spread dec, 6.7% V-recoil inc, 14.3% hip spread inc
Silencer: 25% ADS spread dec, 10% V-recoil dec, 28.5% hip spread inc

KH2002
Flash Supp: 25% V-recoil dec, 25% hip spread inc
Foregrip: 25% H-recoil dec, 50% ADS spread inc
H-Bar: 75% ADS spread dec, 10% V-recoil inc, 25% hip spread inc
Silencer: 25% ADS spread dec, 10% V-recoil dec, 50% hip spread inc

M16A3
Flash Supp: 20% V-recoil dec, 20% hip spread inc
Foregrip: 33% H-recoil dec, 50% ADS spread inc
H-Bar: 75% ADS spread dec, 15% V-recoil inc, 20% hip spread inc
Silencer: 25% ADS spread dec, 10% V-recoil dec, 40% hip spread inc

M416
Flash Supp: 18% V-recoil dec, 20% hip spread inc
Foregrip: 33% H-recoil dec, 50% ADS spread inc
H-Bar: 75% ADS spread dec, 10.7% V-recoil inc, 20% hip spread inc
Silencer: 25% ADS spread dec, 10% V-recoil dec, 40% hip spread inc

FAMAS
Flash Supp: 16% V-recoil dec, 20% hip spread inc
Foregrip: 20% H-recoil dec, 20% ADS spread inc
H-Bar: 75% ADS spread dec, 9% V-recoil inc, 30% hip spread inc
Silencer: 25% ADS spread dec, 10% V-recoil dec, 40% hip spread inc

L85A2
Flash Supp: 25% V-recoil dec, 25% hip spread inc
Foregrip: 33% H-recoil dec, 50% ADS spread inc
H-Bar: 75% ADS spread dec, 15% V-recoil inc, 25% hip spread inc
Silencer: 25% ADS spread dec, 10% V-recoil dec, 50% hip spread inc

There is a “Burst” attachment listed in the M16 files with the following values. They may or may not represent the burst version of the M16A3. Testing should be conducted before any conclusions are drawn.
M16A4 Burst*
50% ADS spread dec, 25% H-recoil dec, 12% V-recoil inc

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Hardcore damage is the same as vanilla. Players have 60 health in hardcore. Nothing under 8X except the IR scope has sway.

They don't need to fix weapon recoil. This isn't supposed to be Call of Duty. Learn to control your fire and your accuracy will improve and so will the time it takes to drop baddies. And I'm sure the grip works.. but I don't think decreasing horizontal recoil is worth the accuracy penalty.

Here's some data on attachments--I'm trying to figure out if it's current.

[quote=SMG]“dec.” - Positive (Benefit). Decrease in value less recoil & more accuracy (less spread)
“inc.” - Negative (Penalty). Increase in value, more recoil & less accuracy (more spread)
“H-Bar” - Heavy Barrel
Laser Sight – 50% hip spread dec. (All weapons unless listed otherwise)

A91
Flash Supp: 25% V-recoil dec, 33% hip spread inc
Foregrip: 20% H-recoil dec, 25% ADS spread inc
H-Bar: 75% ADS spread dec, 15% V-recoil inc, 33% hip spread inc
Silencer: 25% ADS spread dec, 10% V-recoil dec, 67% hip spread inc

AKS-74U
Flash Supp: 18% V-recoil dec, 25% hip spread inc
Foregrip: 33% H-recoil dec, 25% ADS spread inc
H-Bar: 75% ADS spread dec, 7% V-recoil inc, 25% hip spread inc
Silencer: 25% ADS spread dec, 10% V-recoil dec, 50% hip spread inc

G36C
Flash Supp: 17% V-recoil dec, 25% hip spread inc
Foregrip: 33% H-recoil dec, 25% ADS spread inc
H-Bar: 75% ADS spread dec, 10% V-recoil inc, 25% hip spread inc
Silencer: 25% ADS spread dec, 10% V-recoil dec, 50% hip spread inc

M4A1
Flash Supp: 20% V-recoil dec, 20% hip spread inc
Foregrip: 33% H-recoil dec, 34% ADS spread inc
H-Bar: 75% ADS spread dec, 15% V-recoil inc, 25% hip spread inc
Silencer: 25% ADS spread dec, 10% V-recoil dec, 50% hip spread inc

SCAR-H
Flash Supp: 27.5% V-recoil dec, 20% hip spread inc
Foregrip: 50% H-recoil dec, 25% ADS spread inc
H-Bar: 75% ADS spread dec, 6% V-recoil inc, 20% hip spread inc
Silencer: 25% ADS spread dec, 10% V-recoil dec, 40% hip spread inc

SG553
Flash Supp: 20% V-recoil dec, 25% hip spread inc
Foregrip: 25% H-recoil dec, 25% ADS spread inc
H-Bar: 75% ADS spread dec, 12% V-recoil inc, 25% hip spread inc
Silencer: 25% ADS spread dec, 10% V-recoil dec, 50% hip spread inc

HK53
Flash Supp: 18% V-recoil dec, 25% hip spread inc
Foregrip: 33% H-recoil dec, 25% ADS spread inc
H-Bar: 75% ADS spread dec, 10.7% V-recoil inc, 25% hip spread inc
Silencer: 25% ADS spread dec, 10% V-recoil dec, 50% hip spread inc

QBZ-95B
Flash Supp: 25% V-recoil dec, 33% hip spread inc
H-Bar: 75% ADS spread dec, 15% V-recoil inc, 33% hip spread inc
Silencer: 25% ADS spread dec, 10% V-recoil dec, 67% hip spread inc

-The QBZ-95B has no Foregrip attachment

There is a “Burst” attachment listed in the M4A1 files with the following values. They may or may not represent the burst version of the M4A1. Testing should be conducted before any conclusions are drawn. 
M4 Burst*
50% ADS spread dec, 25% H-recoil dec, 12% V-recoil inc[/quote]

[quote=AR]“dec.” - Positive (Benefit). Decrease in value less recoil & more accuracy (less spread)
“inc.” - Negative (Penalty). Increase in value, more recoil & less accuracy (more spread)
“H-Bar” - Heavy Barrel
Laser Sight – 50% hip spread dec. (All weapons unless listed otherwise)

AEK-971
Flash Supp: 25% V-recoil dec, 20% hip spread inc
Foregrip: 20% H-recoil dec, 34% ADS spread inc
H-Bar: 75% ADS spread dec, 15% V-recoil inc, 20% hip spread inc
Silencer: 25% ADS spread dec, 10% V-recoil dec, 40% hip spread inc

AK-74M
Flash supp: 18% V-recoil dec, 20% hip spread inc
Foregrip: 34% H-recoil dec, 50% ADS spread inc
H-Bar: 75% ADS spread dec, 7% V-recoil inc, 20% hip spread inc
Silencer: 25% ADS spread dec, 10% V-recoil dec, 40% hip spread inc

AN-94
Flash Supp: 17% V-recoil dec, 20% hip spread inc
Foregrip: 34% H-recoil dec, 50% ADS spread inc
H-Bar: 75% ADS spread dec, 10% V-recoil inc, 20% hip spread inc
Silencer: 25% ADS spread dec, 10% V-recoil dec, 40% hip spread inc

F2000
Flash Supp: 20% V-recoil dec, 25%  hip spread inc
Foregrip: 20% H-recoil dec, 34% ADS spread inc
H-Bar: 75% ADS spread dec, 15% V-recoil inc, 30% hip spread inc
Silencer: 25% ADS spread dec, 10% V-recoil dec, 50% hip spread inc

G3A3
Flash Supp: 27.5% V-recoil dec, 14.3% hip spread inc
Foregrip: 50% H-recoil dec, 100% ADS spread inc
H-Bar: 75% ADS spread dec, 6.7% V-recoil inc, 14.3% hip spread inc
Silencer: 25% ADS spread dec, 10% V-recoil dec, 28.5% hip spread inc

KH2002
Flash Supp: 25% V-recoil dec, 25% hip spread inc
Foregrip: 25% H-recoil dec, 50% ADS spread inc
H-Bar: 75% ADS spread dec, 10% V-recoil inc, 25% hip spread inc
Silencer: 25% ADS spread dec, 10% V-recoil dec, 50% hip spread inc

M16A3
Flash Supp: 20% V-recoil dec, 20% hip spread inc
Foregrip: 33% H-recoil dec, 50% ADS spread inc
H-Bar: 75% ADS spread dec, 15% V-recoil inc, 20% hip spread inc
Silencer: 25% ADS spread dec, 10% V-recoil dec, 40% hip spread inc

M416
Flash Supp: 18% V-recoil dec, 20% hip spread inc
Foregrip: 33% H-recoil dec, 50% ADS spread inc
H-Bar: 75% ADS spread dec, 10.7% V-recoil inc, 20% hip spread inc
Silencer: 25% ADS spread dec, 10% V-recoil dec, 40% hip spread inc

FAMAS
Flash Supp: 16% V-recoil dec, 20% hip spread inc
Foregrip: 20% H-recoil dec, 20% ADS spread inc
H-Bar: 75% ADS spread dec, 9% V-recoil inc, 30% hip spread inc
Silencer: 25% ADS spread dec, 10% V-recoil dec, 40% hip spread inc

L85A2
Flash Supp: 25% V-recoil dec, 25% hip spread inc
Foregrip: 33% H-recoil dec, 50% ADS spread inc
H-Bar: 75% ADS spread dec, 15% V-recoil inc, 25% hip spread inc
Silencer: 25% ADS spread dec, 10% V-recoil dec, 50% hip spread inc

There is a “Burst” attachment listed in the M16 files with the following values. They may or may not represent the burst version of the M16A3. Testing should be conducted before any conclusions are drawn. 
M16A4 Burst*
50% ADS spread dec, 25% H-recoil dec, 12% V-recoil inc[/quote]

Sath

Since 6880 Days

Posted by GriftGFX

Hardcore damage is the same as vanilla. Players have 60 health in hardcore. Nothing under 8X except the IR scope has sway.

They don't need to fix weapon recoil. This isn't supposed to be Call of Duty. Learn to control your fire and your accuracy will improve and so will the time it takes to drop baddies.

Well I like the damage of Hardcore mode, so I sometimes go to that, started today lol
About the steadyness, good to know because the Hint in loading isnt specific about it, just says scopes.

About the recoil, IMO they should fix it, atleast on consoles since we dont have the luxury of high control and precision as mouse so its more difficult.
Also, when I say recoil i dont mean CoD, more like Killzone since the recoil isnt crazy but it isnt easy to control either. IMO its perfectly balanced.

That list, I dont understand it LOL :(
For me its more of a play-and-test and go with the one most comfortable with.

In reply to

GriftGFX

Since 7013 Days

What don't you understand? I think that data is pretty clear. For example, the grip on the A-91 gives you a 20% horizontal recoil reduction while decreasing your aimed down sight accuracy by 25%. The heavy barrel offsets the ADS penalty at the expense of hipfire accuracy, etc.

In reply to

Sath

Since 6880 Days

Looking at it again, I understand it now lol.
Kind of missed the terms there but yeah got it, thx!

I use ADS ALOT so obviously I got to check more on the benefits that gives me more ADS control and good range. I barely use hipfire in this game.

In reply to

GriftGFX

Since 7013 Days

10,000 M16 kills :)

Posted by Sath

I use ADS ALOT so obviously I got to check more on the benefits that gives me more ADS control and good range. I barely use hipfire in this game.

The grip has an ADS penalty though...

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