GriftGFX - He can also<br>ban your ass!
GriftGFX
Since 7005 Days
You can lead a noob to water, but you can't force the noob to drink.

Would you add a half second delay, on purpose, to your actions in Bayonetta? Or any other game for that matter, regardless of difficulty, just because you were too lazy to learn how to do it the better way? If so, sorry, handicap. Any kind of backwards logic going on here aint mine.

A wheelchair can still get you from point a to point b too.
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Sath - Missed the<br>hay
Sath
Since 6871 Days
Posted by GriftGFX
Scrolling the wheel for siwtching weapons yes, that I agree.

But the rest, dumb logic.

Of course I refuse to accept that shit because its so freaking stupid.

Besides, why the fuck should I memorize the keybuttons on the keyboard on what powers do what when all I can do is hold one button and then see the visuals infront of me and pick in a second.
Atleast that way I dont make any misstakes of pressing the wrong buttons.

In RPGs and RTS I do agree with hotkeys being good, but this is Crysis we are talking about and its not a "must"...when it comes to radial menu.
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GriftGFX - He can also<br>ban your ass!
GriftGFX
Since 7005 Days
Posted by Sath
Posted by GriftGFX
Scrolling the wheel for siwtching weapons yes, that I agree.

But the rest, dumb logic.
It's the same freaking thing. Holy shit *face palm*.

You can get away with using the scroll wheel to change weapons too! But you don't. You know why? Because there is a better way to do it. Dumb logic indeed.

Learn where the freaking keys are, be better at games. Or don't, I don't care.
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Sath - Missed the<br>hay
Sath
Since 6871 Days
Posted by GriftGFX
It's the same freaking thing. Holy shit *face palm*.

Learn where the freaking keys are, be better at games.
If say you have the assault rifle and you want the C4, with mouse wheel you have to keep scrolling until you find the C4, which takes alot of time, while using hotkeys is faster.

But it takes like a second or two to bring up the menu and then choosing the power you want...you honestly say thats the same thing? compared to scrolling the wheel.

And no, I am not forcing myself to learn the keys better unless they are crucial to me, radial menu is hardly crucial.

I played Crysis single player only and it was very easy to hide from the enemies and take my time.
That is hardly a game were you have to be lightning fast.
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GriftGFX - He can also<br>ban your ass!
GriftGFX
Since 7005 Days
Neither is crucial in Crysis single player, and thus the same thing. Both are clearly a handicap. Is it a big deal? No. Is it a bad habit? Fuck yes.

Learning where you keys are will help you in every game, and by denying that the radial menu is a handicap you're flat out denying that using the hot keys is better. Faster = better is not backwards logic.

But keep doing your thing. I give not a single shit. Trying to convince someone not to play games like a noob is not worth my time. I've made this point multiple times: Just because the game is easy enough to make it negligible, does not mean that doing things the long way isn't a handicap. And that's one big fat contradiction in terms if you think that using the scroll wheel is silly.. since you absolutely could "take your time" while changing weapons too.
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IRAIPT0IR
IRAIPT0IR
Since 5713 Days
It comes to gamer skills then?

In any given game that we chose to use the better faster options or not it will come down to skill?

If I dont chose to use the faster one I suck?I have no skills and by result you are better than me?

Is that it?
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GriftGFX - He can also<br>ban your ass!
GriftGFX
Since 7005 Days
No--if you don't use the faster (and thus better) option, it's a handicap, simply because there is a better way to do it.

If you have to do things the long way because you're fumbling through buttons or keys or whatever and constantly hitting the wrong ones.. well then yeah.. you probably suck.

But I'm certain that everyone could learn where their keys are if they cared. And plenty of people don't care. More power to them. That's not really the point of any of this. I'm not even suggesting that anyone change their habits. That's your own prerogative.. but you can want the ease of use you find without denying that there is a better way to do it. You can not care and still not flat out deny that adding even the slightest of time to your actions is a handicap, even if it's mostly negligible.
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Sath - Missed the<br>hay
Sath
Since 6871 Days
Every game? We were talking about Crysis and its radial menu.
The only games I had to use hotkeys has been games like Torchlight and such but in shooters, I havent used hotkeys at all and I have been doing just fine.

But yet you dont seem to grasp the concept of me not having any issues with it.

Hotkeys are faster if you want to be the "elite!", but using the radial menu is not a handicap considering it barely takes 2 seconds to pick and choose.
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Viginti_Tres
Viginti_Tres
Since 6507 Days
What's next? Will we discuss if a latency of 200ms adds a significant amount of handicap? It's as obvious as it can be, but somehow an artificial delay of .5-1.0 secs doesn't make a difference...
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GriftGFX - He can also<br>ban your ass!
GriftGFX
Since 7005 Days
Posted by Viginti_Tres
What's next? Will we discuss if a latency of 200ms adds a significant amount of handicap? It's as obvious as it can be, but somehow an artificial delay of .5-1.0 secs doesn't make a difference...
Your post confused me. :P

On another note: I played some Reach last night for the first time in quite a while.. and it made me realize just how much more care they've taken to make it gamepad friendly than something like Crysis 2.
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Sath - Missed the<br>hay
Sath
Since 6871 Days
Very good player from the demo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK2KurTZ7Lw&hd=1

I love how he uses the powers unlike other videos players can't do a damn thing LOL

I dont like is the melee in this one.
Its too fast with no delay and its a one hit kill, easy to take out multiple enemies in row.
Atleast CoD has a small delay when your knife hits the enemy, so you can't just bump enemies rapidly and kill them.

I also dont like it when you are shooting in full auto while using the scope, the weapon doesnt wobble around, doesnt look satistfying when shooting, no sense of firing feedback at all.
But when hipfiring it seems nice :)
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GriftGFX - He can also<br>ban your ass!
GriftGFX
Since 7005 Days
That dude is pretty good, but he's the only person in the server who knows how to play the game apparently.

The melee recovery in Crysis 2 is definitely no worse than it is in Call of Duty btw. Ballistic Knife + Steady Aim Pro is a thousand times more abusive than melee kills in this game could dream of. You absolutely can just "bump enemies" and rapidly kill them in Call of Duty. Just head into noobtown and literally get yourself a chopper gunner in a matter of seconds. On the other hand, that's before too many perks are applied to Crysis 2, we all know how deep that rabbit hole goes.
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Sath - Missed the<br>hay
Sath
Since 6871 Days
Yeah, of all the players he is the only one I seen that actually uses the powers in a smart way.

And Commando perk :(

The best melee system I seen in FPS is in Killzone 3, but there you have to be careful consdering the animation is a bit too long compared to Crysis 2 and CoD, so someone can kill you before you finish the animation...though its not all melee kills.
Though the melee kill you do is fast enough to get you the point but you might be unlucky and die right after it if someone sees you, but its quite rare. But atleast you can rampage it like in CoD or Crysis 2 which is fine.
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GriftGFX - He can also<br>ban your ass!
GriftGFX
Since 7005 Days
There is no commando in BLOPS, and the melee still just as bad as MW2. The recovery bonus from steady aim pro stacked with lightweight+marathon and the quick melee animation from the ballistic knife = melee domination. You literally don't need guns in that game. But melee is a problem in most of these games. One hit kills from any direction? Yikes. It worked better in Call of Duty 4 where you didn't have unlimited sprint, extra fast movement, and melee speed bonuses (that stack on an already crazy fast melee animation). The best melee system I've seen in FPS (that insist on having quick melee attacks) is Halo. There's not even really that much competition tbh.
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Sath - Missed the<br>hay
Sath
Since 6871 Days
I agree.

But the thing is though that if you have seen some annoying glitch videos from Black Ops, you can see like a "launch knife attack" that looks like Commando, just annoying.

Here is one of many http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Orvnbhuc5yw
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Frozpot
Frozpot
Since 6764 Days
Posted by GriftGFX
The best melee system I've seen in FPS (that insist on having quick melee attacks) is Halo. There's not even really that much competition tbh.
I was just about to say that. But then again, Bungie and balance are pretty much synonymous. The melee is an integral part of the gameplay. Most games it's like a bullet point, which is a shame...this shouldn't even be possible http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz-IhW2w4e0&feature...
Not only cheap, but it looked like the tomahawk homed in on him there at the end. Shit...
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Oooh, Profound, isn't it?

Sath - Missed the<br>hay
Sath
Since 6871 Days
Btw by melee, i meant how you pull them off, thats why I said Killzone 3 has the best one IMO.
The share impact and how visceral it looks like is awesome, and it has various animations as well.

I am sticking with Killzone 3 having the best melee system in a FPS.
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Frozpot
Frozpot
Since 6764 Days
visually, sure, but not really game-play wise. The Melee stuff in KZ3 looks pretty cool, but I doubt it will be integrated as well as the 'ol Bungie baby...
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Oooh, Profound, isn't it?

Sath - Missed the<br>hay
Sath
Since 6871 Days
It worked pretty well in the beta, didnt have the long animation to be open to kills like AvP.
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GriftGFX - He can also<br>ban your ass!
GriftGFX
Since 7005 Days
Posted by Frozpot
I was just about to say that. But then again, Bungie and balance are pretty much synonymous. The melee is an integral part of the gameplay. Most games it's like a bullet point, which is a shame...this shouldn't even be possible http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz-IhW2w4e0&feature...
Not only cheap, but it looked like the tomahawk homed in on him there at the end. Shit...
LOL! Yeah.. the Tomahawk is sorta lame and it takes some pretty shady bounces.. but it's not a melee weapon :P

...and BLOPS was the fix.
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Frozpot
Frozpot
Since 6764 Days
Sure, but it still illustrates the shit in that game ;)...
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Oooh, Profound, isn't it?

Viginti_Tres
Viginti_Tres
Since 6507 Days
Posted by Frozpot
Not only cheap, but it looked like the tomahawk homed in on him there at the end. Shit...
That's a one in a million throw. Hardly cheap, just lucky. The tomahawk is a style weapon, people use it for montages and to show of, there is really no other need to use it because a grenade can help you out a lot more.
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GriftGFX - He can also<br>ban your ass!
GriftGFX
Since 7005 Days
You can probably do set-tomahawk throws just like you can set grenades.. which would take a throw like that from one-in-a-million to maybe one-in-a-dozen or so.. I haven't tried it, but you can throw set grenades from spawn on nearly every map in COD4, and the tomahawk has a much longer range than a frag.
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Sath - Missed the<br>hay
Sath
Since 6871 Days
PC requirments

http://www.facebook.com/crysis.de?v=wall
- internet connection to install the game & play online
- OS: XP/Vista/Windows 7
- CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo with 2Ghz, AMD Athlon 64 x2 2Ghz, or better
- 2 GB RAM
- HDD: 9 GB
- DVD ROM: 8x
- GPU: NVidia 8800GT 512Mb RAM, ATI 3850HD 512Mb RAM, or better
- Audio: DirectX 9.0c-compatible
- Keyboard, Mouse or Microsoft Xbox360 Controller for Windows
No info wether its "minimum" or "recommended", but there you go.

Anyways, based on those things, seems my PC can run it pretty good.
Can't wait to fully try it out when the demo is out, which I am sure its soon :)
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GriftGFX - He can also<br>ban your ass!
GriftGFX
Since 7005 Days
LOL... NVidia 8800GT/ATI 3850 is not the recommended spec. I just want to know when we get a PC demo.
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