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deftangel
Since 6884 Days
Just to weigh in, I've missed the last few pages. I thought MotoGP looked very nice. There was a good interview on Gamasutra about some of the mad things they had to to their renderer as they didn't know enough about the 360 GPU until well into development so had to make some guesses.

At one point the game was running under 10fps and the actual way they managed to boost performance was essentially to have a "camera" fly around the track a few frames ahead of the player camera and take a picture every 1/60th of a second and use that to update what the player sees!

So faced with those limitations, it didn't turn out too badly and MotoGP 07 should look pretty decent all being well.

Forza 2 has turned out to be what it is. Lots of stuff on the cutting room floor but it seems like they got the core game right and hence it's reviewing quite well. A missed oppourtunity perhaps rather than a disaster, though I'd maintain the PR approach was something akin to the latter.
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Optimusv2
Optimusv2
Since 6908 Days
I gave Motogp tons of props for its graphics I never downed it once, but there was a time where some weren't too impressed with it.

Its actually just now that certain games are getting their due after the Forza 2 drama. I personally don't think forza 2 looks bad (I really do think it looks great aside from the damn aliasing which can be rectified with some adjusting) but whenever I use to say this or that game looks great it was more like "Well optimus thinks everything looks good"

I remember people were pretty hard on motogp in regards to the framerate drops so its good that forza 2 doesn't have that issue. Yea the Forza 2 PR was a disaster for sure. I'm not sure what it is, but something definitely went wrong I think or maybe they simply overestimated their ability to get all that outta the system on the first go. I wouldn't be surprised if Forza 3 ends up being what everyone expected of forza 2 graphically. Also yea I expect forza 2 to review extremely well because the fact of the matter is it can't be denied how important it is to nail the most important aspect of your game so well and thats an area in which turn10 truly delivered. What would people say if they delivered on all those graphical features promised back during E3 06 then when it released the gameplay was a joke? That would be a major disaster and I'm sure as a consequence we'd see tons of people saying I don't care about fancy graphics I want solid gameplay with a solid 60fps with better vehicle physics. (Some of the things said when PGR3 was released)

At one point on this site thats all people were saying. Ultimately I'm satisfied with Forza 2 and I should be picking it up next week I'm too busy with other things to get it now and if I got it now I wouldn't play it till maybe next week.
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October 20th 2007 (A good day)

LEBATO - IS WRONG
LEBATO
Since 7138 Days
I'm kind of retiring from the Forza 2 graphics comparisons, but I'll just say that a 9 for graphics is so freaking overrated it's not even funny.

As for MotoGP, that game to me looks barely passable and nothing else. Bikes look great and lighting too, but the environments are so poor, they still have 2d cardboard people, fatal tearing and drops in frames. You also have to consider how brilliant GP3 on Xbox looked and how they didn't even bother to have a working speedometer for GP06 on the 360, that's just really really bad. At the end of the day, it looks passable and I really don't see how it fits into this conversation at all.

I won't compare to PGR3 anymore, I think all has been said from me. Just one thing Milhouse was referring to and probably Optimus didn't quite get it. Milhouse said PGR3 was using a lot more polygons etc etc for the cities when compared to FM2's tracks/NY. And that's not criticizing FM2 for not having city tracks, but I think what he was trying to say is that, if FM2 does not "waste" so many polygons/great textures on making beautiful cities as PGR3 does, where the heck are all those resources going into FM2 then because I DON'T SEE THEM anywhere!

What it is a shame though is that while replays in FM2 are 30fps, they couldn't keep up the framerate locked at 30. In the demo, I saw drops and much pop-in especially when more than 2 cars are on-screen. That is a shame really, and one of the reasons I would not give this game any more than a 7 in graphics. Passable, but that's all there is.

On the other hand, I haven't been able to find the freaking game. I went to EB games yesterday and today and those fools don't have it. All the best buys in my area had their shipments delayed for some reason, and I really don't feel like hunting for the game at every other store like Target, etc. But I'll get it as soon as possible.
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Jin187
Jin187
Since 6760 Days
Posted by bloodforge
Yeah, game is fantastic.
Just wait till try that Porsche Cayman S with a GT3 engine tuned to 833bhp, with weight reduction to 2200lbs, its officially the most amazing driving experience i have ever had, it is beyond phenomenal!! Oh and that engine noise... WoW!!

This game is so beautiful, theres actually some very good replays on certain tracks, like silverstone, laguna seca and suzuka long. By far and away the best game on 360!
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Inflatable
Since 7654 Days
Posted by LEBATO
if FM2 does not "waste" so many polygons/great textures on making beautiful cities as PGR3 does, where the heck are all those resources going into FM2 then because I DON'T SEE THEM anywhere!
60+fps with vsync on probably..
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Optimusv2
Optimusv2
Since 6908 Days
"but I think what he was trying to say is that, if FM2 does not "waste" so many polygons/great textures on making beautiful cities as PGR3 does, where the heck are all those resources going into FM2 then because I DON'T SEE THEM anywhere!"

I think the answer to that is simple what does forza 2 do that pgr3 doesn't? Its like a broken record, but forza deserves credit for being 60fps and having that incredible physics model with full damage modeling. If there is anything major that I fault the dev for is they should've achieved 4XAA considering they weren't a launch title of any sort.

If you guys believe PGR3 could've effortlessly matched forza 2's physics model in addition to being twice the fps and include all that damage modeling then I don't know what to say, but it never occurs to people that maybe PGR3 got away with so much because it isn't doing as much.
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October 20th 2007 (A good day)

bloodforge
bloodforge
Since 7010 Days
My latest masterpiece. Took me FOREVER to build up mario, I think he turned out pretty damn good though. My first run at a Paper Mario livery, I'll be adding some more marioish elements in later versions. I put one up on the auction house if anyone is interested in buying it.


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LEBATO
Since 7138 Days
Damn bloodforge, that looks great. I wouldn't call the "splat" car a masterpiece though :P

Mario looks just about perfect to me. Maybe you can add some green hills behind? An enemy? Really nice though. I can't wait to get this game.

EDIT: Let's say you put a red circle on the car, and then you decide you want to put something else behind it as a first layer, is there an easy to way to simply switch the layers?
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Phaethon360
Since 6862 Days
Posted by bloodforge
My latest masterpiece. Took me FOREVER to build up mario, I think he turned out pretty damn good though. My first run at a Paper Mario livery, I'll be adding some more marioish elements in later versions. I put one up on the auction house if anyone is interested in buying it.
Wii would like to play! Looks awesome blood. Man, I'm going to get this game just for the car customization.
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kenshin2418
Since 6991 Days
nicely done Bloodforge. That Paper Mario looks pretty spot on


now how about a Batman car for yours truly :p
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bloodforge
bloodforge
Since 7010 Days
Posted by LEBATO
EDIT: Let's say you put a red circle on the car, and then you decide you want to put something else behind it as a first layer, is there an easy to way to simply switch the layers?
I just cut and insert the image infront of it in the layer bar. If there is an easier way I haven't found it.
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now how about a Batman car for yours truly :p
I'll see what I can do, not sure when I'll get to it though, my 360 has been overheating and freezing because its so damn hot out.
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kenshin2418 - Junior Detective
kenshin2418
Since 6991 Days
Posted by bloodforge
I'll see what I can do, not sure when I'll get to it though, my 360 has been overheating and freezing because its so damn hot out.
cool thanks. I won't be able to pick up the game till around the end of June, so I just like seeing what others can come up with to hold me over.

However, seeing your Mario design, makes me want to make a Sonic one when I eventually get the game. The endless design possibilities at your hands. The mind boggles :o
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Optimusv2
Optimusv2
Since 6908 Days
Whoa that mario car looks hot...
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October 20th 2007 (A good day)

palamede
palamede
Since 6770 Days
Thanks for your answer regarding the aliasing issue, Acert.
Regarding 3D grass, are you sure it's not there ? Besides, how would it look ? i was really puzzled and interested...
Dirt has almost no car reflection aliasing (at least when you do not crush the hood) so I guess we might see that in PGR4 :crosses fingers/knocks on wood:
Once again, I think BC got a multicore dev kit in june and a dev kit with the 360 CGU in late august, it's almost a miracle (BC devs' talent) the game had such a WOW effect.
Sorry to sound like I'm trolling about PGR3, but I hate it when people start criticizing the game's technical aspect... the game was rushed and not developed on a real 360 dev kit.
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GriftGFX
Since 7016 Days
Bloodforge that is fantastic.
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Bingham67
Since 6633 Days
Nice design Bloodforge :)
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bloodforge
bloodforge
Since 7010 Days
Well, no more Forza 2 for me for awhile, my 2nd 360 just died on me :( and scratched the hell out of the bottom of the Forza2 disk while it was at it. I'm not getting any red rings, the video just goes wonky then locks up with a beep.
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Phaethon360
Since 6862 Days
Well, I was all set to impulse buy this baby with the credit on my Edge card, when I call EB and they tell me they're all sold out. I can get it for $40, but I'm really not going to spend money when I can get it for free. I'll check in a week or so.

Man, sorry to hear that Bloodforge. I've been there :(. PGR3, two years ago.
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Acert93
Since 6987 Days
Wow Bloodforge, that looks awesome. Nice job! DOH on the 360 though. A shame man...
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Jin187
Jin187
Since 6760 Days
Ha, that does look awesome!!
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INDIGO
INDIGO
Since 7718 Days
This game is so freaking incredible. Blew my expectations clear out of the water. B)
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kenshin2418 - Junior Detective
kenshin2418
Since 6991 Days
Posted by bloodforge
Well, no more Forza 2 for me for awhile, my 2nd 360 just died on me :( and scratched the hell out of the bottom of the Forza2 disk while it was at it. I'm not getting any red rings, the video just goes wonky then locks up with a beep.
:( That really sucks dude...

DAMN YOU MS!!!
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LEBATO - IS WRONG
LEBATO
Since 7138 Days
I just got the game!
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TheBeagle
TheBeagle
Since 6621 Days
Posted by LEBATO
I just got the game!
God dammit. Gotta wait a week here in Britain. I really wanna play this.
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Jin187
Jin187
Since 6760 Days
Posted by INDIGO
This game is so freaking incredible. Blew my expectations clear out of the water. B)
Yeh the game is absolutley fantastic, by far the best racer i've ever played, the physics are VERY near perfection its just amazing.

I just love suzuka long, laguna seca, sebring long and mugello long so freaking much, oh and throw in maple valley too, The game is just way beyond my expectations in almost everyway!
Posted by TheBeagle
God dammit. Gotta wait a week here in Britain. I really wanna play this.
Just get it from ebay, thats where i got mine from takes a while to arrive though, probably better off waiting now
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