CARB
CARB
Since 6561 Days
Posted by Jollipop
Or perhaps they are just fed up of waiting for a decent quality 720p feed.

I know i am, why can't they just show us one lap of a finished track on the latest build.

It's not asking that much, i don't think.
dont judge a game by is "marketing" and "PR" as they obviously suck
correct me if im wrong but even pgr3 didnt have any "true" HD direct feed footage right up till launch all i could find was off screen footage and low qual crap

i still cant find and GOOD HD footage of pgr3 (and i want some for a mate who wants a dvd making)

if im wrong please post some :)
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deftangel - Hot stuff!
deftangel
Since 6875 Days
Posted by CARB
dont judge a game by is "marketing" and "PR" as the obviously suck
correct me if im wrong but even pgr3 didnt have any "true" HD direct feed footage right up till launch all i could find was off screen footage and low qual crap

i still cant find and GOOD HD footage of pgr3 (and i want some a mate wants a dvd making)

if im wrong please post some :)
To be fair, PGR3 was a launch title and Bizzarre didn't even get hands on the a physical final version of Xenos till around August 2005. They had vastly different pressures.
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bloodforge
bloodforge
Since 7001 Days
Gamespot is supposed to have an exclusive ingame, non-replay, 60fps video, but who knows when they'll actually post it. They'll probably compress it to hell again like they did the first one though.
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CARB
CARB
Since 6561 Days
Posted by deftangel
To be fair, PGR3 was a launch title and Bizzarre didn't even get hands on the a physical final version of Xenos till around August 2005. They had vastly different pressures.
did you see the link to the new footage i posted, you tell me that what jeux france is showing looks anywhere near like that footage?
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rayy
rayy
Since 6981 Days
Posted by CARB
did you see the link to the new footage i posted, you tell me that what jeux france is showing looks anywhere near like that footage?
But there is a problem with the vid you post. It is not direct feed, and the videos that are taken from a camera always tend to hide a lot of jaggies. Thats why the direct feed pics always look worse than those videos, so is not propper to judge graphix from those kind of video you post maybe the gameplay but the graphix is better a direct feed video or pic.
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deftangel
Since 6875 Days
Posted by CARB
did you see the link to the new footage i posted, you tell me that what jeux france is showing looks anywhere near like that footage?
Not yet as I wasn't at my PC when replying to your post. I'm just of the opinion that it's not fair to compare the two one way or another. Very different situations.
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CARB
CARB
Since 6561 Days
Posted by rayy
But there is a problem with the vid you post. It is not direct feed, and the videos that are taken from a camera always tend to hide a lot of jaggies. Thats why the direct feed pics always look worse than those videos, so is not propper to judge graphix from those kind of video you post maybe the gameplay but the graphix is better a direct feed video or pic.
yeas but there is a problem with a compressed 2D image...it cant represent a 3D lighting engine...helL it cant reprisend 3D full stop
jeux france screens look fucking worse than forza 1. you telling me your willing to believe that forza 2 looks worse than forza 1 ?

in the latest pitpass from forza . net, tha latest vid "american muscle vs jdm, is a mixture of ingame and replay...the ingame is the hoodcam footage.......jeux france sucks !
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GriftGFX - He can also<br>ban your ass!
GriftGFX
Since 7007 Days
Posted by CARB
yeas but there is a problem with a compressed 2D image...it cant represent a 3D lighting engine...helL it cant reprisend 3D full stop
jeux france screens look fucking worse than forza 1. you telling me your willing to believe that forza 2 looks worse than forza 1 ?

in the latest pitpass from forza . net, tha latest vid "american muscle vs jdm, is a mixture of ingame and replay...the ingame is the hoodcam footage.......jeux france sucks !
Get a frame buffer (unaltered) grab of Forza 1 and tell me that it looks like the Jeux-France screen shots of Forza 2 -- and I will gladly tell you that you're just crazy. There are plenty of frame grabs out there for other games that show the goods off without making it look nasty.
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Jollipop
Jollipop
Since 6890 Days
lol CARB, the fact of the matter is that those juexfrance pics are grabbed from the frame buffer or a direct feed from component, so they are more reliable than going off a camera capture, that has over exposed the lighting and hidding the jaggies.

It seems fairly obvious that its an old build of the game, but to be honest MS should have made it clear that they weren't to release any videos, because it is only going to damage the hype for the game and cause people to jump to conclusions.

Yet again MS/T10 have created another PR disaster.

MS would be better off releasing a trailer on the marketpace, or just giving us the demo already.

Could this old build actually be the demo .. :S
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CARB
CARB
Since 6561 Days
and the first review is in from italian OXM ..9.3 i cant post a link but it on forza.net fourums, with scans, if you wanna look you'll have to find it as no scans allowed....oh what the hell get them while you can >http://forums.forzamotorsport.net/forums/110475/Sh...

the only mark down it got was because of no incar view
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GriftGFX - He can also<br>ban your ass!
GriftGFX
Since 7007 Days
According to various people w/i the MS Turn10 inner circle, there aren't any review copies available yet.. so OXM reviews unfinished code.. just to get first dibs on a review?

That's pretty shitty.
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CARB
CARB
Since 6561 Days
Posted by GriftGFX
Get a frame buffer (unaltered) grab of Forza 1 and tell me that it looks like the Jeux-France screen shots of Forza 2 -- and I will gladly tell you that you're just crazy. There are plenty of frame grabs out there for other games that show the goods off without making it look nasty.
this looks worse than F1 a blind man could tell you that


i see the same arguments evert time with almost all games that post screenshots, from VF5 to the new medal of honour, bioshock, too human, mass effect...ect

every time screenies show up (especially on here) you get the usual suspects with the constant bashing (even when there is mounting video footage for the contarary.
its every god damn time, fuck even pgr3 was bashed to high heaven b4 release (acert will try to tell us it wasnt....but it was on other forums it was trashed) now its regarded as the best looking racer to date...and it has jaggies, well whuptifuckindoo.

some times the bashing just get plain daft
if forza 2 is half as good as forza 1 it will be an amazing game simple as, who REALY cares about 3d grass, global illumination....not the average petol head, i work with a lot and the 360 and forza 2 is a day one buy for all of them.
some people like to bash and claim they are fans...but never owned forza 1 let alone an xbox to play it on(the self confessed nintedo fan) and tries to pontificate that F2 is a most wanted game of his....just like pgr3 was...and pgr4 is lmao
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CARB
CARB
Since 6561 Days
Posted by GriftGFX
According to various people w/i the MS Turn10 inner circle, there aren't any review copies available yet.. so OXM reviews unfinished code.. just to get first dibs on a review?

That's pretty shitty.
oxm is OFFICIAL magazine...its kinda illigal to review unfinished code
they would have had to have permission to post the review...being the official magazine an all
turn 10 would have given reviewable code
team vvv's prieview was with the uk oxm's review code
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deftangel - Hot stuff!
deftangel
Since 6875 Days
Posted by GriftGFX
According to various people w/i the MS Turn10 inner circle, there aren't any review copies available yet.. so OXM reviews unfinished code.. just to get first dibs on a review?

That's pretty shitty.
Common practice in reviews though, unless Dyack has his way.

The AA is going to be on par with PGR3 (i.e. 2xAA) . I found the aliasing in that to be noticeable but it was probably made worse by the weird resolution (1024 x 600). Then again, the excellent post processing probably did a lot for it.

I don't know about this game. It can't look as bad as the Jeux France shots but you have to wonder why no gameplay screens have been displayed until now. I went down in flames on GAF talking about the downgrades. Perhaps the petrolheads don't care!

Online makes or breaks it for me.
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CARB
CARB
Since 6561 Days
Posted by deftangel
Common practice in reviews though, unless Dyack has his way.

The AA is going to be on par with PGR3 (i.e. 2xAA) . I found the aliasing in that to be noticeable but it was probably made worse by the weird resolution (1024 x 600). Then again, the excellent post processing probably did a lot for it.

I don't know about this game. It can't look as bad as the Jeux France shots but you have to wonder why no gameplay screens have been displayed until now. I went down in flames on GAF talking about the downgrades. Perhaps the petrolheads don't care!

Online makes or breaks it for me.
i have a feeling some site has paid big money for true exclusive footage......?
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deftangel - Hot stuff!
deftangel
Since 6875 Days
I doubt it, it's not very exclusive when every other site under the sun is free to post screens from their version.
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GriftGFX
Since 7007 Days
Posted by CARB
oxm is OFFICIAL magazine...its kinda illigal to review unfinished code
they would have had to have permission to post the review...being the official magazine an all
turn 10 would have given reviewable code
team vvv's prieview was with the uk oxm's review code
So the Italian spinoff of OXM is the only "official" partner to get to review it yet? Does that really make any sense? I don't think they reviewed finished code.. and I don't know.. but I doubt they were given an exclusive on this review.
Common practice in reviews though, unless Dyack has his way.
Well that's shitty too.

It's pretty unbelievable that a game launching next (soon to be this) month has had VERY little official media going about.. have they even put up footage of the GAME (and not CG) on the marketplace for Forza 2 yet?
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CARB
CARB
Since 6561 Days
Posted by deftangel
I doubt it, it's not very exclusive when every other site under the sun is free to post screens from their version.
yea just like i can find low qual 30 secon vids of paris hilton giving head on any old porn site....but if i wanna look at the full version..i have to pay the official site , catch my drift ;)

shitty pics to any old site....goodies to the site with teh wonga ! the site hits alone will justify the outlay...
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Driftwood - Dictateur en chef
Driftwood
Since 7671 Days
Unfortunately, what this other French site shows isn't a lot more exciting.

I'm curious to see the demo, more than ever.
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GriftGFX
Since 7007 Days
Posted by Driftwood
I'm curious to see the demo, more than ever.
Yeah.. look forward to seeing what this game actually looks like. I wonder who green lights CG teaser trailers anyway.. talk about mismanaging expectations.
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CARB
CARB
Since 6561 Days
Posted by GriftGFX
So the Italian spinoff of OXM is the only "official" partner to get to review it yet? Does that really make any sense? I don't think they reviewed finished code.. and I don't know.. but I doubt they were given an exclusive on this review.
you didnt read the last part...i said team vvv's preview was with the reviewcode of the UK official magazine so the italians aint the only one to get code



team vvv>http://www.teamvvv.com/showthread.php?t=1884
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deftangel - Hot stuff!
deftangel
Since 6875 Days
Shame, I've a contact who knows the OXM UK guys quite well and he's a big racing nut. He's bound to have got in on that and had a go. Sadly he's off this week, I'll try and catch him next.
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deftangel - Hot stuff!
deftangel
Since 6875 Days
The official word;-
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6247509...
Posted by Che
Physics is 360hz, it doesn't change or fluctuate.

As for 4xAA, yukoner, you need to chill. I'm not witholding this little tidbit of info just to freak you out -- it's that there have been changes regarding AA and I have not had any extended conversations about this with the art devs so I don't know 100% the official state of things is in that area. I'm not in the office right now either -- but this thread is fairly out of hand. My understanding is that the game is doing 2xAA during actual gameplay, and maintaining 4xAA during replays. Why? We need to lock physics and gameplay at 60/360hz and so yes, a sacrifice had to be made in that area. With all the simulation and AI running under the hood, it was quite a task to get FM2 locked at 60hz, and we felt it was a feature we absolutely could not compromise.

And yah, I need to update that "about" page re: AA. The changes came in quite late (last couple weeks) so apologies if the page is outdated. :P
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Acert93
Since 6978 Days
Posted by Jollipop
Or perhaps they are just fed up of waiting for a decent quality 720p feed.

I know i am, why can't they just show us one lap of a finished track on the latest build.

It's not asking that much, i don't think.
Exactly. *Days* before going gold and the game will hit shelves in 29 days and we still are seeing CRAP media and scant direct feed HD gameplay.

You may want to call us haters CARB, but I don't think what anyone is requesting is unreasonable. The game is basically DONE and has been for a while (optimizations and bug fixes are what are done last as you lead up to verfication and RC).

FM2 may be the cats meow, the bee's knees, and all that good stuff but that is no excuse for the lack of *quality polished* media this late in the game. The fact HUGE press sites are demoing HORRIBLE media this close to release isn't good at all, even if the final build is better.

They are telling the world: Our game looks like crap.

Which the TeamXbox and Jeux France media absolutely looks like if you put it up against 1) their goals and 2) the competition they bagged on and 3) next gen standards, especially from a 1st party "AAA" franchise.

Like everyone else I WANT FM2 to be a great looking game (great playing should be a done deal based on FM1). Their PR and media have been utterly dissappointing. PGR3 killer, photorealistic, near CGI, blah blah blah are really far from what they are showing now.

And it is laughable. As Lebato said, they actually HYPED 3D grass... and what do we see? Little patches of sprite grass.

Lets hope the "last" build BLOWS AWAY all the other builds shown, especially the "1 month old build" magazines have. Does seem mighty odd that a build 1 month from Gold looks horrible though. (Btw, going back to me E3 2006 posts this was one of my must have/360 sellers. Between the horrible media and dead 360s abounding MS has kept me in a holding pattern. Lets hope 65nm and PGR4 can change my mind).
Posted by CARB
did you see the link to the new footage i posted, you tell me that what jeux france is showing looks anywhere near like that footage?
Dead link to me.
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Acert93 - Mr. Bad Cop
Acert93
Since 6978 Days
@ DEF: I am not buying what Che is selling this time. 2 points:

#1: GDC 2007 Dan Greenawalt said the game would have variable MSAA.

#2: Many months ago Xbox.com said the game was 2xMSAA -- on conjunction with all of the other downgrades that were confirmed.

Turn10 has known for many months the game would NOT have 4xMSAA. Of course these are the same guys who sold the, "60fps doesn't require motion blur because 60fps is all the motion the eye can see" crap.
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