Guys we all know there poor captures and anyone who think other wise is stupid just look at media we have seen you dont have to be Einstein to work out what has happened.

Its like the Gamespot screens people taking poor screens Jeux France the prime example but we cant go away from fact that Turn 10 have been rather shoddy with PR. For a fact they should ask Jeux france to remove them shots same as they should of done with Gamespot they are not final quality i know that and can tell by media we saw way back at X06.

I mean Codemasters asked Gametrailers (i think) to remove videos of there game Dirt which come out dark. You got to look at them screens and surely say they are not doing game any justice really and should be removed.

I can go now and get poor captures from PGR 3 but i agree we really should be shown in game and not just replay footage. But for a start the latest video posted and many others even Gamespot on the spot one you can see the brightness and detail yet these screens look like some ancient Xbox/PS2 game so we all know what we are going to get on our systems really.

So basically, to recap. The game got cut in half yet it was delayed 6 months.......wow.

That Ferrari F430 in that scan looks REAL!

New vid, quite long too, the graphics look fantastic! http://files.filefront.com/Forza_Motorsport_2___En...

I think what some of you are forgetting is that things change during development, just because a developers says that the game is going to have a feature doesn't mean its actually going to end up in the game after its finished, even if they talk about it in every interview. Most people who play the game aren't going to care about missing features because they wouldn't have known about them anyway.

There are also a few people in here that are starting to sound like a broken record and its really getting annoying.

Ok, so here is a "timeline" (no dates);

--Turn 10/MS hire Che Chou as community manager.......BIG mistake (IMO).

--E3: MS/Turn 10 announce Forza 2, the sequel the arguably the best racing game on the Xbox, no small feat considering games like PGR, Rallisport and Moto GP. Everyone is happy. Release date: Sometime 2006.

--Everyone loves the superb announced features.

--More hype from Dan Greenawalt; "To make a long story short, Forza Motorsport 2 will have rendered interiors, transparent windows and an animated 3D driver. I wish adding features was always this easy. "

--PR/Che taunt "GTHD" claiming Forza 2 was no "Forza HD". Claims FM2 would look better than PGR 3 and "then some" because after all it was coming so much later than PGR3, a launch game. Claims of close to photo realistic graphics nearing what we saw on the CGI trailer.

--First awful news come. No more point to point races for FM2 because they supposedly wanted to focus on circuit racing and blahahblaha, more of that damage control.

--First screenshots are expected to be shown. They float around the net before the "official unveiling" to mostly reception. They look so bad people can't believe that's Forza 2, but a modded PC sim.

--Che promises to unveil the first ever shots with new ones on a pitpass report (fridays)

--Friday comes and turns out the official shots are the awful shots.......wow. And no new shots as promised.

--X06 comes and Forza 2 is shown in a horrible and unfinished state, not even 30fps. All points to a delay.

--Sometime around here, MS jacks up the price of the MS wheel from $100 to $150.

--Delay is confirmed shortly after.

--Game is "officially" cut in half, but fans aren't told about this at all. Xbox.com is updated with new and actual game content.

From 18 environments (circuits) to 12

--Shortly after we are told no more 12 car races, but 8 as in Forza 1.

--Something is not going right.

--Che posts a random pitpass about a freaking Turn 10 employee climbing a mountain.......as if that's something we remotely care about.

--More stupid pitpass reports.

--Great online options are confirmed. Wow, some good news actually.

--3D grass is talked about in a pitpass. Still "in" according to Che, still being hyped.

--Road Atlanta is out :|

--Jollipop and Optimus get boulet-timed at the legendary Forza thread. Acert explains boulet time system. lol

--Che confirms blur is not going to be on during gameplay. Since we got 60fps, blur is not necessary :| , in other words, weak damage control.

--By now, PR/Che haven't mentioned graphical features for a long time, but let's remember; "Of course we’re 60fps at 720p, as you mention, but we’re also adding effects and features such as 4X anti-aliasing (no jaggies!), motion blur, high dynamic range lighting, global illumination and per-pixel car reflections updated at full frame rate. "

--"NY takes place at night." (recent screens don't show that)

--More good news; Drivetrain changes and tire brands.

--FM.net site updated (nice new look)

--More CGI trailers :|

--First batch of car list........can't please everyone, I can't complain to be honest.

--The crappy speed channel propaganda starts.

--"New" feature announced in speed channel; "Paint jobs"..........uh

--The infamous 1UP shots are shown......many disappointed to say the least.

Acert wonders why PR releases crap like this: http://media.1up.com/media?id=3212929&type=lg

--The driver model is replaced, now it doesn't look disgusting.

--Demo is announced. 24 cars for the demo.

--Gamespot has an exclusive preview with Forza.........more regurgitated info, and the worst shot of all time.
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2007/106/revi...

--Che damage controls shortly after. (OK)

--Forza release confirmed, May 29 for the US.

--Lots of screens start coming out of every site. Some ok, some just awful.

--IGN criticizes FM2's jaggies.

--only 2xAA during gameplay confirmed by Che

--people hyped about a replay video (not exactly as gameplay as they once said)

--people concerned about awful gameplay shots from Jeux France and others.

Damn, lol. Funny. Of course, all this info does not have to be 100% correct, and some items may go before others, but nothing major. Basically, I took a look at the old thread, skip a few pages, see what was being discussed and that's it.

Well, I'm not part of most people. I don't care about most people either. Also, even if I didn't know about lost features, how is it not obvious to me that point to point tracks are no longer there, another got taken out, and we end up with 12 tracks only? It's not only about lost features, it's about new features/content I can see for myself. I know that during development things change, but things got cut in half basically, from ANNOUNCED features which is not that common.

Thanks for the link. Good vid, considering it was shot off screen. Good stuff. It gave me a little more faith after the past few days.

Yeah as usual, this game is looking great in motion. Lighting is incredible, the damage looks great, and the sound really impresses me aswell, especially the sound of the damage.

Peoples opinions keep going up and down in these threads with every less than impressive screenshot. Some games look better in screenshots (eg, DIRT and PGR3). But this game is clearly about how it looks in gameplay, and that has clearly been the priority for these developers. cant wait!

Man all these videos suck I can't wait for this damn demo to come out so I can play this thing on my hdtv to see how good this thing really looks.

This game sorta screams rushed to me. It seems like they cut quite a number of things at the last minute or something. Ima still buy it, but damn these guys are lucky if it weren't a ms published title I think they'd seriously be in some trouble of it not doing well possibly.

Lebato...

Great timeline.

You did forget to mention the advertisements stating the demo would be out in April.
http://www.unclegamer.com/news/discuss/forza_2_dem...

Che so sneakily snuck in that the game is now using 2XAA during gameplay lol. I hate to say it, but while I'll still purchase this one. All the people that were giving turn10 a hard time throughout the entire development process have been totally vindicated. Feel like I total idiot for putting faith that these guys could keep their promises.

Not only couldn't turn 10 fullfill their earlier promises... they couldn't fullfill the promises they made after they confirmed they wouldn't be able to keep their original promises and thus had to make sacrifices to make sure they can keep all the other promises and now they've failed to live up to those promises even after delays.

It looks very pitiful for che to be sneaking in updates on the state of the game via neogaf like its no big deal after having promised them so many times before. I didn't have any major issues with 2XAA in PGR3 so I wont have any issues with this I guess, but damn che even came publically on neogaf and countered people saying the game wouldn't be using 4XAA saying "As far as I know 4XAA is still there and there are no plans to change it" Only for it to now be 2XAA? He claims 4XAA is in replays??? LOL!!! I saw those damn replays and that wasn't at all 4XAA why tell more lies...

Will gears that doesn't even support AA have less jaggies than forza 2 ? =P

Even at 4xAA there will still be aliasing, it will just be smaller and thats exactly the way it looks in the replays.

Not a bad review... 9.3 and only negative was no in car view. Not bad.

According to those who speak Italian, they also said something bad about graphics. Here's what a guy said they said;

"They say the graphics are not perfect and something about not many trees and lack of scenery."

I don't know, i read it on the Forza forums. Doesn't make much sense to me.

The scenery is one of the things I hoped wouldn't be an issue in forza 2 if there is a complaint about that I guess I'm a bit disappointed.

Guess having extra time to work on the game doesn't mean a damn thing. Your first 360 title is your first 360 title. They'll need to learn how to better use the hardware so they can get more out of it next time.

I thought the physics were pretty ambitious. Man I totally forgot just how great Gears looks when I played it again yesterday.

What is there to be dissapointed about? The scenery is modeled from the actual tracks, its not like they are pretty to look at to begin with. You don't go to a race to look at the pretty scenery, even for the magazine to be bringing it up is pretty laughable to me.

True.

3 new screens (looking good, I like the ground textures)

http://www.xboxfront.de/screenshots-945-3416-Forza...

It really dissapoints me how turn 10 didnt decide to just plant loads of trees everywhere, have grass thats 10 feet tall just to impress those people who buy the game just too look at it, hell why dont they have planes flying over the track that blows dust and leaves in your face as you drive past now that would make the game impressive! :pNow they look pretty damn nice! I cant make a Superleggera conversion of that Lamborghini Gallardo, DEMO... NOW!

Take your Pic...





I know why one i would choose!

So no official comment from Turn 10 about the demo? That's really shitty.

Major Nelson said he had no info on the demo, and we should go ask Turn 10 since they were the ones who said it was coming. Of course, T10 isn't talking at all, another failed/delayed promise I suppose.

Turn 10 is making just as many bad PR decisions as Sony was if not far worse.

They probably wont be releasing that demo anymore for fear it could affect sales of the game negatively.