Doom_Bringer - I have terrible taste
Doom_Bringer
Since 6336 Days
Posted by GrimThorne
No Doom. I don't think Bioware's writers are........thoughtful enough for this.

The main and inescapable problem is that the Catalyst was always on the Citadel. Meaning that Saren didn't need to travel through the Conduit on Illos, the Catalyst was always there and fully capable of letting the Reapers through.

Because of this ending, the Reapers didn't need Sovereign, Saren, Harbinger or the Collectors. The endings are a mess because it also reveals the Reapers backward logic. Killing and harvesting all organics to keep them from building machines. What happened to the uncomprehendable reasons that Sovereign alluded to in ME1? What was so hard to understand about machines killing organics to maintain control of them? That is the most overused plot in science fiction today.

This wrecked alot of the universe's lore in the process. For one, when the Reapers arrive they historically shut down ALL of the mass relays so that everyone remains isolated in their own systems while they take their time moving from sector to sector, harvesting as they go along. The Illos to Citadel relay was the only relay they didn't control, NOW we're told that there was always a Master Reaper A.I on the Citadel. So why didn't space god boy shut down all of the relays? If he has MAGIC powers that can turn every singe organic in the entire galaxy into synthetic hybrids, he couldn't shut down the relays?

Given that there are so many plot holes created with the ending Doom_Bringer, I find it quite the stretch to believe Bioware crafted such an ending as the vid you linked. It makes TOO MUCH sense. lol
Gotta agree, some good points here but I still like the indoctrination theory. Mass Effect 4 will be interesting

It might have something to do with Drew leaving Bioware and feud between writers...
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Doom_Bringer - I have terrible taste
Doom_Bringer
Since 6336 Days
Another good video, some more good points

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynYgr1rqEec&list=LL...
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JMadden
JMadden
Since 5033 Days
Posted by Megido
How about just trying to enjoy the game instead of nitpicking it to death because it didn't fart rainbows and cookies in your face at the end?
How bout you listen to why people don't like it and stop trying to be the one guy standing up for it?

That said, Dooms vid won me over and if the indoctrination theory is correct, then it is a very well crafted ending.
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GrimThorne
GrimThorne
Since 6885 Days
Posted by Doom_Bringer
Gotta agree, some good points here but I still like the indoctrination theory. Mass Effect 4 will be interesting

It might have something to do with Drew leaving Bioware and feud between writers...
I like it too. As for ME4, it all depends on which ending becomes canon.

*Oh, and Drew can't say anything about it for the next 6 months. Bioware/EA made him sign a strict NDA, he tweeted about it when people kept asking him what he thought about the endings. Same thing goes for any devs who leave over the next 6-8 months.

Clearly not everyone at Bioware is happy with the way things concluded in ME3 and Bioware/EA just wants to make sure that any new departures (and there are expected be quite a few since the last remnants of ME team is breaking up) keep their mouths shut.
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Megido
Megido
Since 6338 Days
Even if it weren't correct the ending wouldn't be THAT bad and the game up till the end would still be enjoyable. People are exaggerating this thing, blowing it way out of proportion.
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Nerd Rage

KORNdog
KORNdog
Since 6417 Days
What i dont get about ME in general. Is that the default shepard in ME2 assumes wrex died (he wasnt in my PS3 playthrough) yet the default ME3 assumes he survived (well, he was in the demo at least) so what is with that. How could the default story choices have him both die and live? Can anyone who started fresh for ME3 confirm if wrex is in there? Or anyone else who started ME2 fresh confirm if wrex can survive in that too?
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GrimThorne
GrimThorne
Since 6885 Days
Posted by Megido
Even if it weren't correct the ending wouldn't be THAT bad and the game up till the end would still be enjoyable. People are exaggerating this thing, blowing it way out of proportion.
I agree with you, but at the same time I understand the frustration. No one needed 3 games just to learn that space god boy was the REAL enemy. Lmao!!!!
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fabreezwait
Since 5192 Days
Posted by Megido
Even if it weren't correct the ending wouldn't be THAT bad and the game up till the end would still be enjoyable. People are exaggerating this thing, blowing it way out of proportion.
Agree.
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Megido
Megido
Since 6338 Days
Posted by KORNdog
What i dont get about ME in general. Is that the default shepard in ME2 assumes wrex died (he wasnt in my PS3 playthrough) yet the default ME3 assumes he survived (well, he was in the demo at least) so what is with that. How could the default story choices have him both die and live? Can anyone who started fresh for ME3 confirm if wrex is in there? Or anyone else who started ME2 fresh confirm if wrex can survive in that too?
No, default ME3 has dead wrex. At least for me.
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Nerd Rage

Megido
Megido
Since 6338 Days
Posted by GrimThorne
I agree with you, but at the same time I understand the frustration. No one needed 3 games just to learn that space god boy was the REAL enemy. Lmao!!!!
Yeah but people are reacting like the game get's no resolution at all and that's just not true. The game ends on what i at least found to be a good point. You sacrifice something to save the rest. I don't see why that's so bad. And obviously the child is just the reapers trying to mind-fuck Shepard. You mess up earth and a large chunk of people in general, but the reapers are gone and all the civilizations will keep on existing. Not a happy ending perhaps, but certainly not the mega-disaster some people would have you believe.
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Phaethon360 - Mr Pant<s>s</s>ies
Phaethon360
Since 6859 Days
I'm going to discuss the ending

I'm not so much annoyed at the ending for how it tied up the plot as I am that it offered no closure. I don't know who is alive! I'm assuming the two crew members I brought with me died? They didn't tell me!

I had a galactic readiness of 50%, although I had well above the minimum requirement for war, it seemed to mean nothing. Nobody died in my ending, at least that I know of. Just Mordin, Tali, and Miranda.

All the choices boil down to nothing when you look at it. The game gives you 3 choices of how the story will tie itself up, regardless of whether you're evil or good or who's alive. Just offered no closure to events.

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GrimThorne
GrimThorne
Since 6885 Days
Well that's basically what has so many people's panties up in a bunch.

They basically take the game's last moments and put in on rails, your decisions really don't matter at all. Shepard has no other options and MUST accept the Catalyst's choices. In many ways, the Reapers win because Shepard doesn't have the option to tell the Catalyst to go to hell. After everything he's done to stop the Reapers, his only option is to play along.

They ended things much in the same way they did with Dragon Age2, and it's my guess that they're going to follow the same formula for ME3's DLC. Stand alone stories that won't effect the outcome of the ending, like DA2's Mark of the Assassin and Legacy. I didn't invest in any of those and won't be purchasing anything additional for ME3 either.

I don't know why it's becoming so hard for us to get COMPLETE games anymore. Bioware lied about the timing of the day one DLC's release, Javik's dialog is tied in everyone else's. There's even a moment in the game where you find Garrus, Javik and Cortez talking together in the crew lounge area. You couldn't have that scene if Javik's voice work wasn't already done well in advance.
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Schmooboo
Schmooboo
Since 6570 Days
I did not get any dlc as I never do for any game...

But I did not feel ME3 was incomplete, I was actually alright with the ending, it was just more brutal than what hollywood has me accustomed to... In a sense as I posted earlier, sacrifice is a theme, and you give up A LOT to save A LOT, seems about fair...
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When all think alike, no one is thinking very much.

GrimThorne
GrimThorne
Since 6885 Days
Angry Joe. And this IS a spoiler. Do not link if you haven't played yet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M0Cf864P7E
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GrimThorne
GrimThorne
Since 6885 Days
OMG!! I'm so sorry! I came back and wondered why no one wanted to discuss the link I posted. Then I realized I posted THE WRONG ONE!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZOyeFvnhiI&list=UU...

^THIS is the proper link. And yes it's STILL spoilerific.

It was another indoctrination theory that backs up what Doom_Bringer was saying before. But I'm still not buying any DLC. If it's Bioware's intention to play "LOST" with it's franchise and not give us complete games anymore then they can count me out.
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GrimThorne
GrimThorne
Since 6885 Days
Posted one hour ago by Dr Ray Muzyka.........
http://blog.bioware.com/2012/03/21/4108/

Building on their research, Exec Producer Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey. You’ll hear more on this in April. We’re working hard to maintain the right balance between the artistic integrity of the original story while addressing the fan feedback we’ve received. This is in addition to our existing plan to continue providing new Mass Effect content and new full games, so rest assured that your journey in the Mass Effect universe can, and will, continue.
I can't believe that it all went this far, but wow! If they had just given gamers a complete game they wouldn't be dealing with any of this, but now it's clear the endings were created to drive additional content sales. And all of these people who are screaming and crying right now are probably going to pay for more dlc and lap it all up.

IMO this game studio is losing so much credibility by going this route.
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GriftGFX - He can also<br>ban your ass!
GriftGFX
Since 7013 Days
Wait.. what? Where's the evidence that the alternate endings were a planned thing? I mean, don't get me wrong.. I don't flatly believe everything they say.. but.. what?

I haven't played the game, so I've been avoiding major spoilers, and as such have not really been following this very closely.
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BLackHawkodst
BLackHawkodst
Since 5899 Days
There is not any evidence.., just OTT reactions. Still not finished myself yet, so I’ve yet to see what all the crying and mass suicide attempts are for lol..
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GrimThorne
GrimThorne
Since 6885 Days
Posted by GriftGFX
Wait.. what? Where's the evidence that the alternate endings were a planned thing? I mean, don't get me wrong.. I don't flatly believe everything they say.. but.. what?

I haven't played the game, so I've been avoiding major spoilers, and as such have not really been following this very closely.
BLackHawkodst is right, there is no proof. Just alot of theories that happen to make sense.

And I don't believe they're planning alternate ending content, what I they will do is probably provide more clarification for the endings they've already provided in any future dlc.
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Megido
Megido
Since 6338 Days
It's an explanation for the end thatmakes sense and if it stops the butthurt fans from crying then good :P
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Schmooboo
Schmooboo
Since 6570 Days
I think too many kids have been conditioned by Hollywood movies and Disney...

It's time they start drinking, good ol jack will make any game ending your own, even if you don't have a gaming system.
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When all think alike, no one is thinking very much.

GrimThorne
GrimThorne
Since 6885 Days
Posted by Schmooboo
I think too many kids have been conditioned by Hollywood movies and Disney...

It's time they start drinking, good ol jack will make any game ending your own, even if you don't have a gaming system.
Schmooboo, it looks like most of Bioware's TRUE ending for the game got completely scrubbed. PC gamers have found TONS of audio files with the true ending. Including one ending where Joker comes in at the last minute and saves the fuckin day!

*Basically the audio files reveal that the final battle was like ME2's suicide run on fuckin STEROIDS! With everyone Shepard gathered from the Geth to Krogan having a scene stealing moment.

Instead the final battle is just Shepard defending two thanix batteries :(

The links got rubbed out by moderators, as soon as I can find another link I'll post it. It's looks like Bioware DID have a happy ending but either ran out of time or Mac and Casey just decided to scrap it.

Hmmmmm.
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Schmooboo
Schmooboo
Since 6570 Days
Ahh ok, i did buy the pc version, hoping for some HD textures... :P

And yeah, that kind of ending does sound plausible.

Most of the ME3 trailers show a BIG fight to get back earth... so that's either good marketing, or back then, than was the plan...

I guess Ill postpone my 2nd play through for now.
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fabreezwait
Since 5192 Days
Just finshed, wow what a game, loved it...

I dont get the bitching about the ending? i thought it was well thought out and executed, i went for the Synthesis ending
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Doom_Bringer - I have terrible taste
Doom_Bringer
Since 6336 Days
can't believe people are still crying about the ending...time to move on folks. Such a morbid fascination with a video game story isn't very healthy.....
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