SimonM7 - The other mod's bitch
SimonM7
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When you've played hundreds upon hundreds of games it's really not about being nitpicky anymore. It's only natural to immediately notice flaws. It's even more grating when it happens to a game you really want to love.

I can see quality doesn't really matter to you, there's just a feeling. Either a good or a bad feeling. I miss that a lot about myself, it's really not something I've decided to let go of. Thing is though, if everyone was that easy to please we wouldn't have great games at all. Those hardcore gamers you hate are keeping the industry in check, because there's always the casual bunch ready to pick up the next Spiderman 3 game.
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Sath - Missed the<br>hay
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Well I am not saying I dont like quality games, but from my view is different than others...so form my view some cettain games are quality but for others its not.

Thats why we are individuals with different mindset, and mine is very different.

If the gameplay is fun and it is keeping my happy and not pissed off (Killzone PS2 for example) then its someting good.

But then I always look at the setting, theme, music, characters, art style...if it is something I can relate to, something I like about those, I like it then.

For example, I like how the gameplay of COD4 seems, the intesnity and all that, but its modern warfare, and I am not a fan of it.

I am all about sci-fi twists to pure sci-fi such as Mass Effect, or these type of ancient ones like Assassins Creed or fantasy type games like NG, DMC, God of War..etc.

But in short, I have played hundreds of games, and there have been games I just said "damn its boring, even if it had sci-fi to it or whatever...the gameplay wasent there.

I guess I am considering myself fortunate that I have a different good mindset about games, I know what I am looking forward into a game and that is what matters for me.

I said my piece, so I wont go into this type of thing again, doesn't have anything to do with Uncharted.
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PS3: Killzone 2 - God of War 3 - Metal Gear Solid 4 - Haze - Uncharted - DMC4
360: Mass Effect - Assassin's Creed - Dark Sector - DMC4 - Ninja Gaiden 2 - Too Human - Fable 2 - Resident Evil 5

Myro
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Those hardcore gamers you hate are keeping the industry in check, because there's always the casual bunch ready to pick up the next Spiderman 3 game.
Full of win
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SimonM7 - The other mod's bitch
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Well I obviously didn't mean you don't like quality games, I just said quality doesn't necessarily matter. I mean Killzone is far, far from a quality game, and other bits can make you enjoy it. Rather, it's an overall feeling rather than broken down into individual pieces with varying quality.

I am like that sometimes. Perhaps more often than people who spend less time playing games overall, because I can imagine it's less attractive to buy a "lesser" game if you only have time for the ones of outmost quality. I'm lucky in that I like virtually every genre (which is also problematic when we're bombarded with great games) but it also means that I split games into categories with different expectations.

I played Advent Rising a couple of years ago in my oft-mentioned (by me) rubbish games experiment, and I actually finished that game. I mean it was a glitchy, buggy, twitchy mess, often stuttering in both sound and visuals, but I really enjoyed it. Going into something like Uncharted with the same mindset I would obviously be BLOWN AWAAAAY by it, but other expectations are there.

It's really like seeing the tits of the girl you've been dating for a long time.. if she's been using those fake bra cushion thingies you're bound to be deeply disappointed, whereas small tits can be completely alright otherwise.

With Uncharted there's been some bra cushioning for me, and the stuff it flashed in the demo was pretty underwhelming. Sorry if that makes me a part of the industry you hate.


But yeah, back on topic! Woo, airplanes! Jungles! Arr - pirates!
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Sath - Missed the<br>hay
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I dont dissagree with you Simon, but I at some points I do.

Like I said, we all have our taste in games, of how we see the game we play.

I am just happy I am not the type of guy who goes on reviews or what others say about a certain game.

I like the way I am about how I see my games, pays off really.
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PS3: Killzone 2 - God of War 3 - Metal Gear Solid 4 - Haze - Uncharted - DMC4
360: Mass Effect - Assassin's Creed - Dark Sector - DMC4 - Ninja Gaiden 2 - Too Human - Fable 2 - Resident Evil 5

SimonM7 - The other mod's bitch
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Yeah I've been planning my escape from the information highway for a long time, because it really does ruin games. I'm not HUGELY bothered about scores in terms of how I personally feel about a game, it's really mostly how it's going to be percieved in history that interests me about review scores. I also like when something I like is aknowledged with great critical acclaim, because critical acclaim is all a game has if it tanks commercially. So yeah, I really appreciate reviews for a bunch of reasons, even though it doesn't necessarily stop me from thinking Full Auto was a load of fun.

The only real problem with turning my back on media and info like I'm planning is that you can really end up with shite aswell. That's the crux of my plan, but I'll figure something out.
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mt_sabao
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Posté par SimonM7
Well I obviously didn't mean you don't like quality games, I just said quality doesn't necessarily matter. I mean Killzone is far, far from a quality game, and other bits can make you enjoy it. Rather, it's an overall feeling rather than broken down into individual pieces with varying quality.

I am like that sometimes. Perhaps more often than people who spend less time playing games overall, because I can imagine it's less attractive to buy a "lesser" game if you only have time for the ones of outmost quality. I'm lucky in that I like virtually every genre (which is also problematic when we're bombarded with great games) but it also means that I split games into categories with different expectations.

I played Advent Rising a couple of years ago in my oft-mentioned (by me) rubbish games experiment, and I actually finished that game. I mean it was a glitchy, buggy, twitchy mess, often stuttering in both sound and visuals, but I really enjoyed it. Going into something like Uncharted with the same mindset I would obviously be BLOWN AWAAAAY by it, but other expectations are there.

It's really like seeing the tits of the girl you've been dating for a long time.. if she's been using those fake bra cushion thingies you're bound to be deeply disappointed, whereas small tits can be completely alright otherwise.

With Uncharted there's been some bra cushioning for me, and the stuff it flashed in the demo was pretty underwhelming. Sorry if that makes me a part of the industry you hate.


But yeah, back on topic! Woo, airplanes! Jungles! Arr - pirates!
good post man. either that or i was sold by the tits metaphor =P
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mkk316
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Yeah, but Simon you have to admit that there are people out there who are never satisfied or impressed with anything they see. I dont think either extreme is good to have. Its important to be critical of games, and demand quality as you said, but there comes a point when there's no joy or excitement in anticipating the release for a game, and all people see are flaws and things wrong with it. And I dont think that's really fair to developers.
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Saying you cant find animaton in Japan is like saying you cant find food in Italy

Myro
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Posté par SimonM7
Well I obviously didn't mean you don't like quality games, I just said quality doesn't necessarily matter. I mean Killzone is far, far from a quality game, and other bits can make you enjoy it. Rather, it's an overall feeling rather than broken down into individual pieces with varying quality.

I am like that sometimes. Perhaps more often than people who spend less time playing games overall, because I can imagine it's less attractive to buy a "lesser" game if you only have time for the ones of outmost quality. I'm lucky in that I like virtually every genre (which is also problematic when we're bombarded with great games) but it also means that I split games into categories with different expectations.

I played Advent Rising a couple of years ago in my oft-mentioned (by me) rubbish games experiment, and I actually finished that game. I mean it was a glitchy, buggy, twitchy mess, often stuttering in both sound and visuals, but I really enjoyed it. Going into something like Uncharted with the same mindset I would obviously be BLOWN AWAAAAY by it, but other expectations are there.

It's really like seeing the tits of the girl you've been dating for a long time.. if she's been using those fake bra cushion thingies you're bound to be deeply disappointed, whereas small tits can be completely alright otherwise.

With Uncharted there's been some bra cushioning for me, and the stuff it flashed in the demo was pretty underwhelming. Sorry if that makes me a part of the industry you hate.


But yeah, back on topic! Woo, airplanes! Jungles! Arr - pirates!
Haha, i listened to all of the above using opera speak.

Couldn't be bothered to read a lot of the comments anymore, better to hear them (especially the "BLOWN AWAAAY")
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Alcohol and drugs and my biggest fans. They follow me where ever i go.

Sath - Missed the<br>hay
Sath
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Posté par mt_sabao
good post man. either that or i was sold by the tits metaphor =P
Haha made me have a great vision and the wish of a real ones :D
Hate him for that, damn it ;)
Posté par mkk316
Yeah, but Simon you have to admit that there are people out there who are never satisfied or impressed with anything they see. I dont think either extreme is good to have.
Agreed.
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PS3: Killzone 2 - God of War 3 - Metal Gear Solid 4 - Haze - Uncharted - DMC4
360: Mass Effect - Assassin's Creed - Dark Sector - DMC4 - Ninja Gaiden 2 - Too Human - Fable 2 - Resident Evil 5

Slabs
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There are definitely people out there who are never satisfied with games, but don't confuse those with people who genuinely are not impressed or do not enjoy a game and then give valid reasons why not.
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mkk316
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Posté par Slabs
There are definitely people out there who are never satisfied with games, but don't confuse those with people who genuinely are not impressed or do not enjoy a game and then give valid reasons why not.
I don't. I am aware of the difference.
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Saying you cant find animaton in Japan is like saying you cant find food in Italy

KORNdog
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REALLY loving the game, played the demo god knows how many times. im not gonna go into details since most people have covered what i think works great. the cover system, the gun-play, the AI is fantastic, the graphics obviously. etc etc blah blah blah.

couple things i dont like much are the sixaxis intergration, it works, and it works well, but i just dont like having to think about controlling this virtual guy and the buttons that control him....while remembering i have to wobble my controller about when i throw a grenade....

and secondly animations, while i think 95% is flawless, theres are times when he will say, climb on a log, where there is an uncomfortable slide where he floats along while getting into place to loop his next animation. it looks strange, and even more obvious when the rest of the animation looks fantastic.

overall i love it. and will be buying it. its tomb raider meets gears of war, without feeling like a rip off which you've played a thousand times

and quite importantly for me. its an action game that isnt various shades of grey or brown (gears of war, resistance, killzone etc etc) its a pretty refreshing change.
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Jollipop
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overall i love it. and will be buying it. its tomb raider meets gears of war, without feeling like a rip off which you've played a thousand times.
Strange I thought it felt exactly like that.
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Marumaro for the WIN !!

KORNdog
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overall i love it. and will be buying it. its tomb raider meets gears of war, without feeling like a rip off which you've played a thousand times.
Strange I thought it felt exactly like that.
different strokes
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SimonM7 - The other mod's bitch
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I agree with you Korn.. Jak & Daxter was the same. Essentially Mario 64, until of course Ratchet started shooting things up, then it was Mario 64 with guns. Clearly inspired by and/or standing on the shoulders of other fantastic games to achieve a hybrid that still manages to feel largely unique.

I definitely like the game. I finished the demo, and everything is very dynamic and smooth and fun to do. It has minor PDZ style niggles with its cover system and shooting, and the animation like noted has its awkwardness. When it's at the top of its game though, it looks fantastic and is a lot of fun.

I'll prolly pick this up regardless of what I initially felt. It's just too damn close to being exactly what I've been longing for; a real pulp adventure game with that awesome, tongue in cheek adventure feel and charm. The new trailer, which I only just saw, pretty much sealed the deal for me.

Awkward as the animation occasionally is, it really does deserve being applauded aswell because there are a lot of cool touches that are unlike anything previously seen. I mean while we're at it comparing it to Gears of War; Marcus and his chaps barely feel alive when put next to this. Nathan sprints, ducks, weaves and turns away when bullets start flying, and so do enemies. You can actually "blind fire" to have them duck away only to pop out and shoot them in the face proper while they're busy recovering.

Just running around, Nathan reacts differently to different surfaces, which really gives everything an organic feel as opposed to being a flat surface. It makes the game pop out and come alive in a pretty special way. You really feel like he's traversing these surroundings, and somehow that adds a layer of credibility to him as an adventurer... if that makes... any sense at all.

So yeah, cautiously hopeful for them fixing what I think is wrong with it, and even if they don't, I'll prolly have a good time with what's here anyway.
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KORNdog
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Posté par SimonM7
I agree with you Korn.. Jak & Daxter was the same. Essentially Mario 64, until of course Ratchet started shooting things up, then it was Mario 64 with guns. Clearly inspired by and/or standing on the shoulders of other fantastic games to achieve a hybrid that still manages to feel largely unique.

I definitely like the game. I finished the demo, and everything is very dynamic and smooth and fun to do. It has minor PDZ style niggles with its cover system and shooting, and the animation like noted has its awkwardness. When it's at the top of its game though, it looks fantastic and is a lot of fun.

I'll prolly pick this up regardless of what I initially felt. It's just too damn close to being exactly what I've been longing for; a real pulp adventure game with that awesome, tongue in cheek adventure feel and charm. The new trailer, which I only just saw, pretty much sealed the deal for me.

Awkward as the animation occasionally is, it really does deserve being applauded aswell because there are a lot of cool touches that are unlike anything previously seen. I mean while we're at it comparing it to Gears of War; Marcus and his chaps barely feel alive when put next to this. Nathan sprints, ducks, weaves and turns away when bullets start flying, and so do enemies. You can actually "blind fire" to have them duck away only to pop out and shoot them in the face proper while they're busy recovering.

Just running around, Nathan reacts differently to different surfaces, which really gives everything an organic feel as opposed to being a flat surface. It makes the game pop out and come alive in a pretty special way. You really feel like he's traversing these surroundings, and somehow that adds a layer of credibility to him as an adventurer... if that makes... any sense at all.

So yeah, cautiously hopeful for them fixing what I think is wrong with it, and even if they don't, I'll prolly have a good time with what's here anyway.
after playing more, i've noticed a few little touches that while dont effect gameplay do increase immersion and belivability, as you mentioned the animations are the obvious one. little things like the way he jogs around during platforming/exploration sections to conserve energy, then when badguys are around he goes into full sprint when he runs. or the different animations when he's in water, or the way dead bodies are actually physical things in the world, that you can actually walk on...or the way his animations alters slightly when you push up against walls just to keep things looking new, unlike gears where the "pushed up against wall" animation is the same for EVERYONE, whether it be marcus, dom, locust etc etc

then theres the enemies, who have a pretty big range of animations...ducking out of the way of your fire, lying down to shoot while prone. they really add to the game imo.

but as i was saying, its the little things that i've only just noticed like the way his shirt creases differently as he runs/walks making his shirt look like a shirt, not a textured solid model.

and i really love the texturing, not so much the resolution (which is high anyway) but more the surfaces they seem to have nailed. a wall might be shiney due to the moisture (its a rainforest afterall) but then the moss growning on it will have a mat finish...it all adds to the belivability. i dont think any game really matches this one at least in terms of detail. both texturally, but mainly the little effects.

it has a few jarring moments with the animations but thats mainly down to the fact the overall animations are second to non atm. it makes issues stand out more then a game like tomb raider, becasue they're so good 95% of the time.

and while it 'technically' might not have a better cover system as gears or a better platforming mechanic as something like tomb raider or prince of persia, i think on the whole its better then both of those becasue of all the other components of the game, from the graphics, art style, animation, voice action, setting, colour pallet etc etc. but thats just me, as i said in my previous post, different strokes.
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kenshin2418 - Junior Detective
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heh, I was more than sold(already was) from watching videos of the demo. Grabbing the game for sure when I get a PS3.
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Jeanne D'Arc is the Best RPG this year

Phaethon360 - Mr Pant<s>s</s>ies
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Grabbing the game for sure when I get a PS3.
I see what you did there...you are like Acert when it comes to the PS3. Do not try to deny it, for I see what you have done here, and over there.
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"For seven hours, all we could do was sit still and listen to them hunting us. All we could do is sit, and wait for Phaethon."

kenshin2418 - Junior Detective
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Posté par Phaethon360
I see what you did there...you are like Acert when it comes to the PS3. Do not try to deny it, for I see what you have done here, and over there.
I am Acert, and Acert is me!

*looks at average posts length*

actually, no that's not true.


Anyway, sometimes you got to make the hard decisions. Spend $200-300 on clothes so I can look nice and gets the compliments, or spend $400 on a Dreamcas...I mean PS3. I'm just plagued with these types of things.
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Jeanne D'Arc is the Best RPG this year

SimonM7 - The other mod's bitch
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Different strokes indeed, and let's be brutally honest here. Gears of War concentrates essentially ALL its energy on getting this one component right, and - surprise - gets that component more right than any other game ever. It's an incredibly focused experience, too, so it NEEDS to be that good at what it does. That... one thing it does.

I think Gears of War is pretty easily one of the best action games there are, but this - like you point out - does more than that.

I don't agree that it's automatically better because it does more though. I don't think that's how games should work. If they go to a point with a certain mechanic, and you feel that something is MISSING - be it because it's stolen from another game or otherwise - then they've messed up. I can't help but feel that there are things WRONG with the shooting here, and I can't really rationalise that with the way it does other things.

The subject matter goes a long way in covering those issues up though, and still leaves me enthusiastic about playing the game. I hope it's long and paced well. I certainly don't hope every room is full of pirates to mow down, because some of the best moments in the demo come from just jogging around the surroundings, looking for a way to proceed. The jungle is so lush and the setting overall offers great opportunity to have things be suitably mysterious and atmospheric. I hope there aren't crazy pirates around every corner, prepared to ruin that.
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RAZurrection
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I'd like to bring the debate back on to tits if you guys are cool with that.

I like big round ones myself.
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Sath - Missed the<br>hay
Sath
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Posté par RAZurrection
I'd like to bring the debate back on to tits if you guys are cool with that.

I like big round ones myself.
wierd but ok
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360: Mass Effect - Assassin's Creed - Dark Sector - DMC4 - Ninja Gaiden 2 - Too Human - Fable 2 - Resident Evil 5

Jollipop
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Posté par Sath
wierd but ok
Its wierd that he likes big boobs ?
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Phaethon360 - Mr Pant<s>s</s>ies
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Oh yea, I am an expert on boobies. I know a lot about them too!
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"For seven hours, all we could do was sit still and listen to them hunting us. All we could do is sit, and wait for Phaethon."

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