I think people don't understand why Killzone was so crazy (and NOT realtime, which is now confirmed to be CGI). It was the sum of the parts. Render quality (outstanding filtering and excellent anti-aliasing both on edges and in shaders), very little faked detail (e.g. very high poly counts on everything), completely smooth animation, AI and scripting that was flawless (e.g. the squad mate who flanks the enemy at the top of the stairs and then beats him with the gun), particle effects up the wazzoo and excellent fire/explosion particles, hair physics, advanced facial animations combined with excellent body emotions, very advanced destructible vehicles, and perfectly smooth controls -- all in 1080p in a very large open battlefield.

The scripting in the Killzone video is just nuts. Everything was spot on and obviously much of what they showed in the trailer could be broken in game (or never used... which would lead to massive dev time for unused features/segments of the game). Some parts seem likely (like in mid air when they almost collide and the guy gives a thumbs up). Others parts, like all the collaboration on the highway top seems to be super advanced. Just watch the animations. They are obviously hand perfected and all very dynamic and responsive to the world.

Just compare to BiA. Even though it looks nice, you see the guys all running the same for the most part.

The BiA is very believable for a game--it obviously is part of the game IMO. You have a HUD (note the compass) and can see your character giving signals. Anyone who has played BiA 1/2 would notice this. I only played the demos and it is a DUH. BiA does have some scripting in that you have enemies in a zone and when you enter the zone it initiates events. But all the AI stuff looked like typical BiA.

The lone thing that stood out as being faked/scripted for the trailer was when the friendly guy gets shot and lands in your arms. They may have this in the game, but who says you are following that dude???!! That is something that can be broken in game.

But what I think we were seeing was the OPENING of BiA3. It looks like this may be where you start... or at least start a level. But the short amount of time I have played BiA this scene does not seem out of place. It looks nice, but it also doesn't look super different either--just better quality.

Now go compare the KZ2 trailer to KZ1 on the PS2. KZ2's CGI does not look like an improvement, refinement, and higher quality version of KZ1. KZ2 looks like all the best qualities in every real time game we have seen (animation, facial reactions, graphics, particles, AI, etc) all roled into 1 game -- and then improved multi-fold.

But it doesn't matter, it was CGI. Hopefully Guerrilla can come up with a great game that captures the essense of the KZ2 CGI. But using it as a benchmark, or comparing games to it (real games) is silly.

This is light years away from what we saw in the KZ2 video. I was just watching the KZ2 video the other day. It is nuts on so many levels. Like I said last year: I would pay $10 to go watch a 90 minute movie of Killzone. The quality of the CGI and the action was feature length film quality.

None of the 360 or PS3 realtime footage has given us an indication that we will see anything like that any time soon. Maybe close in regards to faked (e.g. like how BiA3 fakes a tree hedge by using parallax mapping), but the same quality and finesse? No way.


And now I have a post to link to every time someone says, "Man, that is almost as good as KZ2!"

No, but you compared it to KZ. "Not as good as Killzone". Of course the other distinguished posters to solicit our scorn are...Of course they seem to be saying on the one hand it is fake/using super scripted sequences ala KZ or on the other hand it is more realistic than KZ (i.e. which was fake), but isn't quite gameplay and there is something wrong. They are questioning the footage being real.

You just are comparing it to KZ, a CGI ;) Not the first to mention, but the first, "Not as good as Killzone" CGI! In due time Jammy and Scarface will also be flogged for mentioning the CGI! Bad posters!!

It's similar to the original BIA when it starts off. It's in game but your not actually playing. but later in the game, you are in the exact scenario and take control.

To my credit, there were other posts below his when I started... like 3 ;)

Btw, get in line for your flogging! How dare you mention KZ in a game thread! That is like inviting chaos/fanboys!! >:( BAD SCARFACE! ;)

Now back to BiA3. The 720p trailer looks nice, hope to see more of the game soon, especially a sunny day!