ehm i don't want to spoil the fun but can anybody actually explain why this game is not doa3.5 just better graphics, more enviroments and some more moves?

Tekken and VF should be judged separately because they are by far the most sophisticated and constantly evolving fighting game series on the market right now. The only two VFs that play similarly are 1 and 2, and even then, there's a huge gameplay difference between those two.

That said, whereas the notion that DoA has played the same in the past, it won't work this time around because DoA4 will probably be the biggest jump since DoA2 over the first one.

The reason as to why DoA hasn't changed alot can be applied to the fact that everything since 2 has been variations of that game. DoA3 was essentially an Xbox version of 2 that they decided to tune up more than planned, and Ultimate goes back to 2 thoroughly since people felt that DoA3 was too dumbed down. So basically we have been playing 2 for all these years (provided you've played them) and this could actually be considered the first true sequel.

For the untrained eye and even for a pair of untrained hands grabbing the controller and mashing some for half an hour, most fighting games in a series feel roughly the same simply because they do have a fundamental base that they build upon (although I doubt even untrained hands feel that way with VF3 and 4) and that's really not a bad thing. It ensures that there is a core in there that keeps the series true to itself, and that's always gonna be the reason why hardcore players prefer their fighting game of choice. Suggestions that you should be able to pick objects up and hit eachoter with or jump into vehicles (stuff I've actually heard during my sometimes painful gaming life) is utterly rediculous, and nobody who truly respects the series would want that.

I agree to some extent with what Trup said about fighting games only being able to change so much in that to the casual observer it would appear that nothing ever changes. It isn't really a problem for the game itself, on the contrary, but it does sort of feed this notion that the developers are milking their cows, when in fact they're putting tremendous amounts of work into each game, though that is to varying degrees depending on which game series you refer to.

At the end of the day, DoA4 will be quite different, fans will notice, casual observers will at the most scratch their heads and whine some more about the lack of self shadowing.

That's another point to be made really, if the graphics were hugely different, people would probably get the impression that it's changed even if it's the exact same game underneath. I've already written a way too big post though, and I think food's ready so I'll just scamper off now.

i'm not trying to single out doa and i must admit i like doa very much, I got doa 2 from microsoft for free because i bought the original xbox when the price was still 499 or something.. i played this game ALLOT and i loved it. BUT when the new DOA came i didn't think it was all that... Same game... same graphics, the only thing they added we're some moves, outfits and stages....

Now if I take for example Soul Calibur (wich is a weapon fighting game but bare with me) this shit is totally different. With Soul Calibur 2 u get an Adventure mode that took A VERY LONG TIME and was actually very nice to keep playing. ALLOT of characters (i'll never think doa will have that many characters) and some really nice graphics coupled with really great levels and gameplay mechanics this fighting game actually brought some new stuff to the fighting genre especially with the new Soulcalibur 3 coming up where u can make your own fighter now that's something i've never seen before in a fighter game..... i'm not singleing DOA out cause there are other fighters who are like DOA but i must say DOA is the game where i get the most idea of it just being a graphical upgrade....

i'm not saying it doesn't matter, i just think it's a waste of my money buying the same game with upgraded graphics (for example the fifa series is also a waist of money), refer to my "bigger" post up top....

I do love a good gaming debate!

You, ve got to remember the Japanese love this game and the 360 needs all the support it can get over there!

that's my fault i just wanted to find out what the hardcore DOA player like about this "new" version

that's my fault i just wanted to find out what the hardcore DOA player like about this "new" version
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