Far East of Eden: Ziria is back again with these 28 more or less new images. Let's just hope the gameplay is as good as the graphics are not worthy of a 360.

Commented on 2006-03-06 13:34:52

i don,t see myself buying this game,
the game looks ok thou.

In reply to

Commented on 2006-03-06 13:42:18

Can we please cut these "graphics not worthy of the XBOX 360" comments...because seriously not all games are bound to look like Oblvion or GRAW. And NOTHING will be good enough for the XBOX 360 anyway.

I'm really sick of this invisible graphics standards bar for anything that comes out of the XBOX 360. It's not like its the only thing important.

In reply to

Tarrell13

Commented on 2006-03-06 13:44:03

The guy in one of the screens looks like Inuyasha.

In reply to

GriftGFX

Commented on 2006-03-06 13:52:39 In reply to wuffyx

Posted by wuffyx

Can we please cut these "graphics not worthy of the XBOX 360" comments...because seriously not all games are bound to look like Oblvion or GRAW. And NOTHING will be good enough for the XBOX 360 anyway.

I'm really sick of this invisible graphics standards bar for anything that comes out of the XBOX 360. It's not like its the only thing important.

It's not the only thing that's important--but it *is* something important, especially to a brand new system with brand new tech. It's important that it has software that makes good use of its abilities. You are right--graphics are not everything--but when you could get the same result on old hardware at a much lower price..it shouldn't be suprising when people start to question it..many people, myself included are not done buying games from the Xbox/PS2/GC gen..so it's atleast somewhat important that the new stuff on new technology warrants the use of all that extra stuff, and in the end, extra cost.

Every "next generation" raises the bar for visuals..and as well it should..this invisible bar you speak of has existed on every platform before it..(btw, no one bitched about the graphics before your post--preemptive strike I know--EDIT: I was reading the thread only, didn't realise you were replying to the news post itself--sorry :P)

In reply to

[quote=wuffyx]Can we please cut these "graphics not worthy of the XBOX 360" comments...because seriously not all games are bound to look like Oblvion or GRAW.  And NOTHING will be good enough for the XBOX 360 anyway.

I'm really sick of this invisible graphics standards bar for anything that comes out of the XBOX 360. It's not like its the only thing important.[/quote]

It's not the only thing that's important--but it *is* something important, especially to a brand new system with brand new tech.  It's important that it has software that makes good use of its abilities.  You are right--graphics are not everything--but when you could get the same result on old hardware at a much lower price..it shouldn't be suprising when people start to question it..many people, myself included are not done buying games from the Xbox/PS2/GC gen..so it's atleast somewhat important that the new stuff on new technology warrants the use of all that extra stuff, and in the end, extra cost.

Every "next generation" raises the bar for visuals..and as well it should..this invisible bar you speak of has existed on every platform before it..(btw, no one bitched about the graphics before your post--preemptive strike I know--EDIT: I was reading the thread only, didn't realise you were replying to the news post itself--sorry :P)

Janman

Commented on 2006-03-06 14:14:23

Areas in this game look quite empty but otherwise it looks decent. Ok, this might not be the game that shows full graphical capabilities of Xbox 360. But there is something in that graphical style that appeals to me. Bright and colourful role-playing games can't be all bad.

In reply to

Broadbandit

Commented on 2006-03-06 14:15:25

Im one to accept the cel/toon-shaded graphics. The colors look rich an vibrant so really I have nothing to complaing about here

In reply to

Styx

Commented on 2006-03-06 14:19:55

I think it looks really charming in a way, but not stunning, not even a little.
Could consider getting this sinse im a big fan of this type of games.

In reply to

QuezcatoL

Commented on 2006-03-06 14:25:01

I'm sorry but is this game based on anything,like a manga?anime? or to a old game.

...

In reply to

BooMMooB

Commented on 2006-03-06 14:32:59 In reply to wuffyx

Posted by wuffyx

Can we please cut these "graphics not worthy of the XBOX 360" comments...because seriously not all games are bound to look like Oblvion or GRAW. And NOTHING will be good enough for the XBOX 360 anyway.

I'm really sick of this invisible graphics standards bar for anything that comes out of the XBOX 360. It's not like its the only thing important.

I can only concur. Lately I have been seeing these headlines based around graphics of certain games on this site... Really negative headlines. While I have been enjoying this site alot the last year or so, and linked to it on other forums alot, I must say I do find the tone here quite appaling. I mean, Xboxyde has alot of visitors but I hardly think that the site ranges up there with the big sites when it comes to seriousness. Could you possible tone down those 'the game looks bad' comments in the headlines and save it for the trolling people?

I for one think this looks pretty nice. I'm kinda fed up with normal mapped this and that. realtime softshadow this and that. Funny thing is that the games that people deem the best graphics ingame ever are not those pulling the one graphics trick after another. It's the games that have quailty throughout and everywhere. A style thats consequent you could say. Many games doesn't have that, but this one undeniable does. Who knows, it might even have great animation and very 'a-live' characters.

sigh.. see what you made me do...

/boom (once a lurker - now out of the closet)

In reply to

[quote=wuffyx]Can we please cut these "graphics not worthy of the XBOX 360" comments...because seriously not all games are bound to look like Oblvion or GRAW.  And NOTHING will be good enough for the XBOX 360 anyway.

I'm really sick of this invisible graphics standards bar for anything that comes out of the XBOX 360. It's not like its the only thing important.[/quote]

I can only concur. Lately I have been seeing these headlines based around graphics of certain games on this site... Really negative headlines. While I have been enjoying this site alot the last year or so, and linked to it on other forums alot, I must say I do find the tone here quite appaling. I mean, Xboxyde has alot of visitors but I hardly think that the site ranges up there with the big sites when it comes to seriousness. Could you possible tone down those 'the game looks bad' comments in the headlines and save it for the trolling people?

I for one think this looks pretty nice. I'm kinda fed up with normal mapped this and that. realtime softshadow this and that. Funny thing is that the games that people deem the best graphics ingame ever are not those pulling the one graphics trick after another. It's the games that have quailty throughout and everywhere. A style thats consequent you could say. Many games doesn't have that, but this one undeniable does. Who knows, it might even have great animation and very 'a-live' characters.

sigh.. see what you made me do...

/boom (once a lurker - now out of the closet)

scytherage

Commented on 2006-03-06 14:47:21

If you guys over here on xboxyde dont think that a game is worthy of posting on the news, IMO you guys shouldn't bother. Besides, there a 6000% chance that this game will NEVER see the light of day in the Western hemisphere (USA, Europe).

I mean, you guys never even covered Tetris for the 360, which came out in Japan. Don't cover Ziria anymore, since you guys have already deemed it unworthy of the 360. Just post more GRAW vids and be done with it.

In reply to

scytherage

Commented on 2006-03-06 14:51:04 In reply to BooMMooB

Posted by BooMMooB

I can only concur. Lately I have been seeing these headlines based around graphics of certain games on this site... Really negative headlines. While I have been enjoying this site alot the last year or so, and linked to it on other forums alot, I must say I do find the tone here quite appaling. I mean, Xboxyde has alot of visitors but I hardly think that the site ranges up there with the big sites when it comes to seriousness. Could you possible tone down those 'the game looks bad' comments in the headlines and save it for the trolling people?

I for one think this looks pretty nice. I'm kinda fed up with normal mapped this and that. realtime softshadow this and that. Funny thing is that the games that people deem the best graphics ingame ever are not those pulling the one graphics trick after another. It's the games that have quailty throughout and everywhere. A style thats consequent you could say. Many games doesn't have that, but this one undeniable does. Who knows, it might even have great animation and very 'a-live' characters.

sigh.. see what you made me do...

/boom (once a lurker - now out of the closet)

Thank goodness there are some people who feel this way.

I'm all for diversity on the 360 platform. If the xbox live arcade games, with their 1985 or worse graphics, can get accepted by the mainstream and sell like crazy, why should future games with no realistic grit or dirt, mud, or particles not ever be deemed '360 worthy'? Sure you can complain 'but these games cost above 50 dollars or more', but IMO you pay for more than just the graphics, you also pay for the gameplay and the story (in this case, its an RPG so it counts), which is still much more lengthy than an hour and thirty minutes in the movie theater.

If you ask me, this kind of lopsided coverage is only helping those fanatical Playstation lunatics in trashing the 360 by giving them more ammunition in defending their vaporware.

In reply to

[quote=BooMMooB]

I can only concur. Lately I have been seeing these headlines based around graphics of certain games on this site... Really negative headlines. While I have been enjoying this site alot the last year or so, and linked to it on other forums alot, I must say I do find the tone here quite appaling. I mean, Xboxyde has alot of visitors but I hardly think that the site ranges up there with the big sites when it comes to seriousness. Could you possible tone down those 'the game looks bad' comments in the headlines and save it for the trolling people?

I for one think this looks pretty nice. I'm kinda fed up with normal mapped this and that. realtime softshadow this and that. Funny thing is that the games that people deem the best graphics ingame ever are not those pulling the one graphics trick after another. It's the games that have quailty throughout and everywhere. A style thats consequent you could say. Many games doesn't have that, but this one undeniable does. Who knows, it might even have great animation and very 'a-live' characters.

sigh.. see what you made me do...

/boom (once a lurker - now out of the closet)[/quote]

Thank goodness there are some people who feel this way.

I'm all for diversity on the 360 platform. If the xbox live arcade games, with their 1985 or worse graphics, can get accepted by the mainstream and sell like crazy, why should future games with no realistic grit or dirt, mud, or particles not ever be deemed '360 worthy'? Sure you can complain 'but these games cost above 50 dollars or more', but IMO you pay for more than just the graphics, you also pay for the gameplay and the story (in this case, its an RPG so it counts), which is still much more lengthy than an hour and thirty minutes in the movie theater.

If you ask me, this kind of lopsided coverage is only helping those fanatical Playstation lunatics in trashing the 360 by giving them more ammunition in defending their vaporware.

GriftGFX

Commented on 2006-03-06 15:06:42

You guys are basically asking that they either 1) Don't have standards, or 2) Only report on things that pass their expectations..and neither one of those things is even remotely reasonable to ask of a balanced reporter..it's their task to take in the good *and* the bad and its their right to give us their opinion..the biggest and most biased sites and mags out there even report a negative story from time to time.

Not every X360 game is golden and it's just silly to pretend that they are..and valid and constructive critisism shouldn't be covered up by fanboy wellwishings.

This site is a service to all of us, if you don't like the management's opinion you could atleast respect what they do.

In reply to

memolo

Commented on 2006-03-06 15:10:20

I don't care much, looks good enough for me to play it if it was a really good game, but still it seems japanese devs have serious problems with x360 hardware, the examples are endless: ridge racer, frame city killer, ziria, i love football, Dinasty Warriors, etc.

In any case, this is an important game for 360 since I think its a remake of an absolute classic rpg in Japan, so even so plain looking there's a lot of hope for this game on MS to change its luck in Japan.

In reply to

BooMMooB

Commented on 2006-03-06 15:44:14

I respect what the do, just not the way they do it.

In their own words they want us, the users, not to troll and post stupid remarks, but on the other hand we get fed headlines like this:

'...Let's just hope the gameplay is as good as the graphics are not worthy of a 360.'

Hardly great 'journalism' is it? The problem I have with this is mostly due to the fact that many people read this and takes it for grated that this game is nothing to bother about. This site might actually put some peoples interest for a game like this, which could be brilliant for all I know.
Katamari looks pants acording to Xboxydes' standards (I would guess), but really it doesn't. Katamaris graphics are very fitting for the game and rounds the game off perfectly, making a very polished product. Ziria might happen to be just such a game.

I can understand that Xboxyde devotes loads of time to a game like GR:AW (and I've been sucking it up like a labrador), but I really would be better without the negative laden headlines.

If you want to hurt a game, don't talk about it at all. We all know that bad publicity is better than none.

A bit more professionalism is not to much to ask for, is it? Thanks.

In reply to

I respect what the do, just not the way they do it.

In their own words they want us, the users, not to troll and post stupid remarks, but on the other hand we get fed headlines like this:

'...Let's just hope the gameplay is as good as the graphics are not worthy of a 360.'

Hardly great 'journalism' is it? The problem I have with this is mostly due to the fact that many people read this and takes it for grated that this game is nothing to bother about. This site might actually put some peoples interest for a game like this, which could be brilliant for all I know. 
Katamari looks pants acording to Xboxydes' standards (I would guess), but really it doesn't. Katamaris graphics are very fitting for the game and rounds the game off perfectly, making a very polished product. Ziria might happen to be just such a game.

I can understand that Xboxyde devotes loads of time to a game like GR:AW (and I've been sucking it up like a labrador), but I really would be better without the negative laden headlines.

If you want to hurt a game, don't talk about it at all. We all know that bad publicity is better than none.

A bit more professionalism is not to much to ask for, is it? Thanks.

superchunk

Commented on 2006-03-06 15:53:26 In reply to GriftGFX

Posted by GriftGFX

Every "next generation" raises the bar for visuals..and as well it should..this invisible bar you speak of has existed on every platform before it

See, this is why alot of Japanese games don't translate well to western audiences. This game is obviously not meant to break ground graphically (and doesn't have to). No, not every game has to be a gears of war. There were plenty of successfull games last generation that did not come close to pushing the graphical abilities of the hardware it was on. An example from 360, geometry wars is an excelent game and no one complains that it isn't 'next-gen' enough. It's all about the intent of the developer and the expectation of the audience

Posted by memolo

I don't care much, looks good enough for me to play it if it was a really good game, but still it seems japanese devs have serious problems with x360 hardware, the examples are endless: ridge racer, frame city killer, ziria, i love football, Dinasty Warriors, etc.

I don't see the problem with DOA, N3, Lost Planet; so not all Japanese developers have a 'Problem'.

- Dynasty Warriors was obviously a 'filler' title to make a quick buck and show a presence on the new console. It looks like crap, but it used to be fun. But with N3 coming out, there's no point.
-Love football doesn't look bad, but I don't like the artist style. And I dont like soccer.
-Namco should be ashamed at they're obvious half-assed work with ridge racer and frame city killer (though it's still in development). They don't have a problem. They're just not putting forth the effort.

In reply to

[quote=GriftGFX]
Every "next generation" raises the bar for visuals..and as well it should..this invisible bar you speak of has existed on every platform before it[/quote]

See, this is why alot of Japanese games don't translate well to western audiences. This game is obviously not meant to break ground graphically (and doesn't have to). No, not every game has to be a gears of war. There were plenty of successfull games last generation that did not come close to pushing the graphical abilities of the hardware it was on. An example from 360, geometry wars is an excelent game and no one complains that it isn't 'next-gen' enough. It's all about the intent of the developer and the expectation of the audience

[quote=memolo]I don't care much, looks good enough for me to play it if it was a really good game, but still it seems japanese devs have serious problems with x360 hardware, the examples are endless: ridge racer, frame city killer, ziria, i love football, Dinasty Warriors, etc.
[/quote]

I don't see the problem with DOA, N3, Lost Planet; so not all Japanese developers have a 'Problem'.

- Dynasty Warriors was obviously a 'filler' title to make a quick buck and show a presence on the new console. It looks like crap, but it used to be fun. But with N3 coming out, there's no point.
-Love football doesn't look bad, but I don't like the artist style. And I dont like soccer.
-Namco should be ashamed at they're obvious half-assed work with ridge racer and frame city killer (though it's still in development). They don't have a problem. They're just not putting forth the effort.

DJmizuhara

Commented on 2006-03-06 15:58:43

Whats wrong with Ridge Racer???? Ridge racer is a great game your just probably another person who can't play it then says it's a bad game. Ridge racer looks great and looks the way a ridge racer game should, it's got great re-play valve the learning curve is good the single player strucure is great too and the online games are amazing.

I can't see why you said Ridge racer has given the developers problems. I think it's you who has the problems.

In reply to

BooMMooB

Commented on 2006-03-06 15:58:59 In reply to memolo

Posted by memolo

I don't care much, looks good enough for me to play it if it was a really good game, but still it seems japanese devs have serious problems with x360 hardware, the examples are endless: ridge racer, frame city killer, ziria, i love football, Dinasty Warriors, etc.

In any case, this is an important game for 360 since I think its a remake of an absolute classic rpg in Japan, so even so plain looking there's a lot of hope for this game on MS to change its luck in Japan.

Eh what? Doesn't mean they have problems with the hardware, just that they don't devote the best people or time enough to get it right.

Lost Plant, N3, Dead Rising, Blue Dragon, ChromeHounds, DOA4 etc. etc. proves you wrong. Right there.

Also take into account that lots of games in the first couple of generations of games for a new console acutally started on the previous generation consoles.

I totally agree that this is quite an important game for the x360 in japan. I hope it will do well.

Well, actually I think it's an important game for any region, because it shows that the xbox360 does more things than just show nomalmaps in a corridor with blur effects...

In reply to

[quote=memolo]I don't care much, looks good enough for me to play it if it was a really good game, but still it seems japanese devs have serious problems with x360 hardware, the examples are endless: ridge racer, frame city killer, ziria, i love football, Dinasty Warriors, etc.

In any case, this is an important game for 360 since I think its a remake of an absolute classic rpg in Japan, so even so plain looking there's a lot of hope for this game on MS to change its luck in Japan.[/quote]

Eh what? Doesn't mean they have problems with the hardware, just that they don't devote the best people or time enough to get it right.

Lost Plant, N3, Dead Rising, Blue Dragon, ChromeHounds, DOA4 etc. etc. proves you wrong. Right there.

Also take into account that lots of games in the first couple of generations of games for a new console acutally started on the previous generation consoles.

I totally agree that this is quite an important game for the x360 in japan. I hope it will do well.

Well, actually I think it's an important game for any region, because it shows that the xbox360 does more things than just show nomalmaps in a corridor with blur effects...

soco

Commented on 2006-03-06 16:27:03

i don't think the japanese are having problems with the hardware, but with the desire to make 360 games ;) seriously, Hudsonsoft is a tiny develop now. i think the fact that they've been able to make the game with really smooth surves, is more of a testament of how easy it is to develop.

In reply to

Killers

Commented on 2006-03-06 18:21:23

This looks like something taken out of the childrens channel.. to childish (spelling?) for me graphically.

In reply to

silverwolf

Commented on 2006-03-06 18:44:55

Come on peeps! Graphics aren't everything but I see your point. GRAW and Oblivion look fantastic but I bet there will be better looking games in the future. For people upset with what was said about the graphics, chill dude! It's a free country and they are entitled to there opinions regardless of there status on this site.

In reply to

willdabeast

Commented on 2006-03-06 18:53:56 In reply to GriftGFX

Posted by GriftGFX

It's not the only thing that's important--but it *is* something important, especially to a brand new system with brand new tech. It's important that it has software that makes good use of its abilities. You are right--graphics are not everything--but when you could get the same result on old hardware at a much lower price..it shouldn't be suprising when people start to question it..many people, myself included are not done buying games from the Xbox/PS2/GC gen..so it's atleast somewhat important that the new stuff on new technology warrants the use of all that extra stuff, and in the end, extra cost.

Every "next generation" raises the bar for visuals..and as well it should..this invisible bar you speak of has existed on every platform before it..(btw, no one bitched about the graphics before your post--preemptive strike I know--EDIT: I was reading the thread only, didn't realise you were replying to the news post itself--sorry :P)

Guess you guys haven't had much experience with the PS2 and it's "toy story" graphics. Sure, the game doesn't look "nextgen" as people would put it, but it certainly looks much much better than what a PS2 can pump out, and marginally so over an Xbox. And how the hell do you know that this game will be at a lower price point if it was released on older hardware? Pre-emptive guessing?

Anyways, there's enough games coming out to meet "nextgen" standards, while games like these are great for those who also want a more indie feel for their games where the developers budget isn't mammoth and they do more with story and gameplay than they do with graphics. As long as not ALL the games come out like this then I have no problems whatsoever seeing a game like Ziria come out. And as much as I want Blim to tone down some of his remarks, well, it is his site, so whatever.

In reply to

[quote=GriftGFX]

It's not the only thing that's important--but it *is* something important, especially to a brand new system with brand new tech.  It's important that it has software that makes good use of its abilities.  You are right--graphics are not everything--but when you could get the same result on old hardware at a much lower price..it shouldn't be suprising when people start to question it..many people, myself included are not done buying games from the Xbox/PS2/GC gen..so it's atleast somewhat important that the new stuff on new technology warrants the use of all that extra stuff, and in the end, extra cost.

Every "next generation" raises the bar for visuals..and as well it should..this invisible bar you speak of has existed on every platform before it..(btw, no one bitched about the graphics before your post--preemptive strike I know--EDIT: I was reading the thread only, didn't realise you were replying to the news post itself--sorry :P)[/quote]

Guess you guys haven't had much experience with the PS2 and it's "toy story" graphics. Sure, the game doesn't look "nextgen" as people would put it, but it certainly looks much much better than what a PS2 can pump out, and marginally so over an Xbox. And how the hell do you know that this game will be at a lower price point if it was released on older hardware? Pre-emptive guessing?

Anyways, there's enough games coming out to meet "nextgen" standards, while games like these are great for those who also want a more indie feel for their games where the developers budget isn't mammoth and they do more with story and gameplay than they do with graphics. As long as not ALL the games come out like this then I have no problems whatsoever seeing a game like Ziria come out. And as much as I want Blim to tone down some of his remarks, well, it is his site, so whatever.

GriftGFX

Commented on 2006-03-06 19:26:50 In reply to willdabeast

Posted by willdabeast

Guess you guys haven't had much experience with the PS2 and it's "toy story" graphics. Sure, the game doesn't look "nextgen" as people would put it, but it certainly looks much much better than what a PS2 can pump out, and marginally so over an Xbox. And how the hell do you know that this game will be at a lower price point if it was released on older hardware? Pre-emptive guessing?

How do I know that it would be cheaper on older consoles? I dunno..common sense? There's not one multiplatform game on 360 that isn't cheaper on a previous console.

This game recieving a budget price would be its only saving grace..hell it's a far cry to even call this game "Cell shaded"--thier technique seems like little more than a bunch of relatively flat textures--if that's all there is to the cell shaded look, I guess pretty much every N64 game was "Cell shaded"..certainly doesn't even aproach the beauty of a game like Wind Waker, or Rogue Galaxy...

Quality graphics entail more than just a lot of polygons and new shader effects..the art production in general here is lacking, big time..

Sure, it exceeds what was possible on the PS2 by merit of things like draw distance, resolution and image quality..it's certainly not in attention to detail, or production quality.

In reply to

[quote=willdabeast]Guess you guys haven't had much experience with the PS2 and it's "toy story" graphics. Sure, the game doesn't look "nextgen" as people would put it, but it certainly looks much much better than what a PS2 can pump out, and marginally so over an Xbox. And how the hell do you know that this game will be at a lower price point if it was released on older hardware? Pre-emptive guessing?[/quote]

How do I know that it would be cheaper on older consoles?  I dunno..common sense? There's not one multiplatform game on 360 that isn't cheaper on a previous console.

This game recieving a budget price would be its only saving grace..hell it's a far cry to even call this game "Cell shaded"--thier technique seems like little more than a bunch of relatively flat textures--if that's all there is to the cell shaded look, I guess pretty much every N64 game was "Cell shaded"..certainly doesn't even aproach the beauty of a game like Wind Waker, or Rogue Galaxy...

Quality graphics entail more than just a lot of polygons and new shader effects..the art production in general here is lacking, big time..

Sure, it exceeds what was possible on the PS2 by merit of things like draw distance, resolution and image quality..it's certainly not in attention to detail, or production quality.