Atari releases some new screenshots of the Wii & PS2 version of Alone In The Dark, which old-gen port is being handled by the creators of the Obscure series, Hydravision.
You know some sections in the wii development kit are still labelled gamecube. Its just a slightly upgraded game cube with motion sensing.
Having said that it doesn't take away from just how fun the wii is for parties. Four people on super smash bros all quite drunk and its riot.
On topic:
Looks very good for a ps2 game. While I will most certainly be getting the 360 version, the wii one may be good if it has some cool motion sensing controls.
Pretty graphics aside I'd lump 360 and PS3 games in with Xbox and PS2 aswell. It's just really, really, really important to some people and not so much to others.
But do please refrain from understanding that! How would this place look without the constant Wii hate? :)
just to let you know i dont hate the wii but if it wasnt for the controls i dont think anyone would buy it, its a sad fact but knowadays if a game looks bad it wont sell very well
Commented on 2008-04-03 21:07:26 In reply to SimonM7
Posted by SimonM7
Pretty graphics aside I'd lump 360 and PS3 games in with Xbox and PS2 aswell. It's just really, really, really important to some people and not so much to others.
You bet the pretty graphics are important. And given the choice between playing a game that looks great with a controller than works perfectly or playing a game that looks like a muddy mess with a controller than kind of works some of the time, I'd probably opt for the former.
Commented on 2008-04-03 21:30:16 In reply to Ronsauce
Well you're lucky. For me graphics stopped being important a long time ago, and I can barely tell one generation from the other now that sequelitis and super mega ultra established genres have everything frozen in predictable place.
If prettier graphics distinguish one game from another essentially identical game - then that's awesome for you.
And also part of my point, with my point being that only slightly changing the definition of what is "the same as Xbox and PS2", it's easy to shift subjects around aswell. Then again, I'm in a devastatingly tiny minority in seeing things that way, because while Mario Galaxy is "another fucking Mario game, grr!", Halo 3 is apparently new and exciting. :)
Fortunately I'm not big with the hating, so I'm not really in anyone's particular camp here.
After getting my Wii I really warmed up to the console, but even I would classify it as last gen. That doesn't make it a bad console though. It has some awesome games, just like PS2--which I still enjoy even today.
Commented on 2008-04-03 21:57:20 In reply to SimonM7
I'd say you're the lucky one if your proclamation that graphics aren't important to you is true; your library of potentially playable games is therefore much larger than mine.
I just don't understand it to a certain extent. Why wouldn't someone rather play a nicer-looking version of a game on a 360 or a PS3 over the clearly inferior-looking version on the Wii?
Commented on 2008-04-03 22:01:05 In reply to synce
Posted by synce
After getting my Wii I really warmed up to the console, but even I would classify it as last gen. That doesn't make it a bad console though. It has some awesome games, just like PS2--which I still enjoy even today.
This seriously is the most sense I have heard from you. Well done! ;)
Commented on 2008-04-03 22:14:37 In reply to Ronsauce
Well that's obviously a matter of how well realised the Wii controls are. It was you who removed the "gimmicky controls" from the equation, and I was doing the same with graphics to turn your example on end.
But granted, if they all play virtually the same then the "best" version is obviously the one with the most qualities, including graphics.
I should maybe adjust my own statement a bit about graphics though as to not sound completely delusional. Graphics matter to me, but the "complexity" of graphics doesn't. I will be blown away by an awesome looking "SNES tech" game today. Heck, I even think Megaman for NES look stunning. An ugly game for me is always ugly, while a pretty game for me is always pretty. You can't show me something now that'll be outdated in four years and have me think it's pretty, because then it really isn't pretty at all. Just new.
Standards apparently rise all the time but I don't really feel that anymore. I don't say that like I'm better than anyone else, I say that because that's how I feel about it. That's why something like Ouendan 2 on the DS can dazzle me almost to the point of tears, whereas something mind bogglingly TECHNICALLY gob smacking like Crysis leaves me completely indifferent. I can see why it's impressive, but it's really just about pushing the tech.. tech that is always rushing forward, thus making games into virtual sand castles that'll be torn down by the next wave.
I guess we're both lucky in different ways, but right now I think you'll be the lucky one more frequently than I am, because the pretty:new quota is certainly in your favour.
But anyways, power does a LOT MORE for games than just making prettier graphics and better sound.
Everything from physics to extra power for online play to better AI to more complex designs and gameplay. We HAVE seen all these things in games already, but people don't often perceive changes that don't go right into their senses.
What looks cool about AOTD5 is the gameplay and physics, and I'm willing the bet the Wii can't do those bending metal physics at the very least.
Commented on 2008-04-04 00:43:31 In reply to HYBRIDTH30RY
Posted by HYBRIDTH30RY
wii old gen?...o.0 wtf gamersyde...Wii is new gen! don't be ignorant.
No. Next gen does not have anything to do with when it came out, but how advanced it is. Its a gamecube with motion sensing slapped on and a bit more power. With WiFi... Thats about it.
Looks pretty good though, although I cannot stand 480 anything lol so I'll be playing the next gen all the way lol
Commented on 2008-04-04 00:45:48 In reply to Jigen
Posted by Jigen
HOLY CRAP 1280x992 WII SCREENS!
But anyways, power does a LOT MORE for games than just making prettier graphics and better sound.
Everything from physics to extra power for online play to better AI to more complex designs and gameplay. We HAVE seen all these things in games already, but people don't often perceive changes that don't go right into their senses.
What looks cool about AOTD5 is the gameplay and physics, and I'm willing the bet the Wii can't do those bending metal physics at the very least.
^.^ Thank you. Finally some one who at least kind of knows what their talking about =) 100% true. That is why the Wii is not next gen.
And that dynamic deformation of the metal... Its pretty awesome... lol
Commented on 2008-04-04 01:00:23 In reply to Jigen
better AI
Yeah what Ronsauce meant by muddy textures was that they're too stupid to realise how muddy they are. :D
We're obviously talking purely about aesthetics here. If you honestly think there's an abundance of 360/PS3 games that are vastly beyond what last gen tech games were capable of in terms of gameplay and AI, then congrats to you aswell. I can count the ones I reckon fall into that category on one hand.
I know we're leaving facts behind and again enter the realm philosophies when I say this but I really don't think physics are quite all they're cracked up to be. Ironically, the coolest physics in a long time in my opinion belong to the Wii game Eledees where the game is based on the concept of physics. Half Life 2 is an obvious choice aswell, but that's starting to feel like a while ago. In most cases physics end up just another brand of "pretty", with explosions being more spectacular because stuff is flying all over.
I'm hyped for AiTD by the way, let's not lose sight of that fact. It's not like I'm going to get the Wii or PS2 version of something that is obviously developed with the PS3 and 360 in mind, because they're most likely gonna be a bit rubbish like everything else that's just put on as many platforms as possible. It has happened of course, with Splinter Cell: Double Agent being rediculous amounts of superior on Xbox compared to the 360, but I don't think this is likely to pull one of those.
A really cool compromise would be to instead develop remakes of 1-3 for the Wii. Dressing up as santa and whacking zombie kids with a frying pan would be all sorts of awesome with the Wiimote. Those games need a controls overhaul to work today anyway.
I love graphics just like the most members of Gamersyde, I mean, that's pretty much what this site is about right? Not too much editorial, but a shit lot of pictures and videos.
However, I think that it's important to remember that we're talking about games here, and gameplay will pretty much ALWAYS be the defining factor of how good a game is. Who plays Monopoly for how pretty the board looks? Or plays cards because they want to see what the ace of spades looks like? Hopefully no one, but to be honest, there's probably some freak out there.
Anyway, my point is, you're all completely underestimating the power of the wii. And no, i'm not talking about it's graphical power, but it's power to make games feel different. Motion sensing has changed games entirely, look how big of a success the Wii has been! Even given it's admittedly poor graphics. Gameplay will always win.
So how can the Wii be old gen, when it's revolutionised gaming so much? Sure, the 360/PS3 might be able to do accurate metal-bending (is that really that much fun?) but with a Wii, you could actually bend the metal by swinging a wiimote around like a crazy person. Different kinds of power.
Fair enough if you mean old-gen graphically. But ONLY if you follow old-gen with "graphically".
And before you attack me, I don't own a wii (nor do I plan on getting one). I'm hardcore 360 =). I just thought some of the comments on this post were a bit too much.
Commented on 2008-04-04 02:57:52 In reply to Burglarize
Posted by cooleo_no1
Anyway, my point is, you're all completely underestimating the power of the wii. And no, i'm not talking about it's graphical power, but it's power to make games feel different. Motion sensing has changed games entirely, look how big of a success the Wii has been! Even given it's admittedly poor graphics. Gameplay will always win.
It's ridiculous to think graphics are all that matters. I never said that ONCE.
The thing about the Wii and its gameplay is that it mostly feels broken or unnecessary a lot of the time. Iffy gameplay and inferior graphics don't help it win me over at all.
Look at the games that have been designed specifically for it, with attention and detail. Like No More Heroes or the very obvious Wii Tennis.
It certainly is difficult to stand up for the Wii given it's lack of deserving games (one of the reasons I don't own one myself) but I still think its worth standing up against the hate.
Commented on 2008-04-04 05:17:49 In reply to SimonM7
Posted by cooleo_no1
Anyway, my point is, you're all completely underestimating the power of the wii. And no, i'm not talking about it's graphical power, but it's power to make games feel different. Motion sensing has changed games entirely, look how big of a success the Wii has been! Even given it's admittedly poor graphics. Gameplay will always win.
So how can the Wii be old gen, when it's revolutionised gaming so much? Sure, the 360/PS3 might be able to do accurate metal-bending (is that really that much fun?) but with a Wii, you could actually bend the metal by swinging a wiimote around like a crazy person. Different kinds of power.
Fair enough if you mean old-gen graphically. But ONLY if you follow old-gen with "graphically".
And before you attack me, I don't own a wii (nor do I plan on getting one). I'm hardcore 360 =). I just thought some of the comments on this post were a bit too much.
The success of the Wii isn't tied to gameplay at all though, it's tied to marketing, which is true most of the time with any commercial product. Personally I don't think Wii's motion control has changed much at all. Even games like SSBB on Wii don't use motion control AT ALL. Mario Kart Wii will have Gamecube controller support... Personally my favorite Wii games are Warioware, Elebits, and Pinball Hall of Fame, and Warioware is the only one there that couldn't be done on another platform, or the 360 at least. Marketing always wins, not gameplay.
And once again, system power is more than just graphics. If you really think so highly of the Wii you should probably get one and see what it's really about. I own all 3 platforms. Personally I wouldn't call the Wii 'last gen' it's just taking a completely different route. Good marketing and cutting costs, to ensure a great profit, and those things in particular I can't respect Nintendo for.
Posted by SimonM7
better AI
We're obviously talking purely about aesthetics here. If you honestly think there's an abundance of 360/PS3 games that are vastly beyond what last gen tech games were capable of in terms of gameplay and AI, then congrats to you aswell. I can count the ones I reckon fall into that category on one hand.
I know we're leaving facts behind and again enter the realm philosophies when I say this but I really don't think physics are quite all they're cracked up to be. Ironically, the coolest physics in a long time in my opinion belong to the Wii game Eledees where the game is based on the concept of physics. Half Life 2 is an obvious choice aswell, but that's starting to feel like a while ago. In most cases physics end up just another brand of "pretty", with explosions being more spectacular because stuff is flying all over.
I'm hyped for AiTD by the way, let's not lose sight of that fact. It's not like I'm going to get the Wii or PS2 version of something that is obviously developed with the PS3 and 360 in mind, because they're most likely gonna be a bit rubbish like everything else that's just put on as many platforms as possible. It has happened of course, with Splinter Cell: Double Agent being rediculous amounts of superior on Xbox compared to the 360, but I don't think this is likely to pull one of those.
A really cool compromise would be to instead develop remakes of 1-3 for the Wii. Dressing up as santa and whacking zombie kids with a frying pan would be all sorts of awesome with the Wiimote. Those games need a controls overhaul to work today anyway.
I think you're being way too pessimistic on current games. AI is just one example, and it does require a TON of power to even do a small step. Better examples are the online MP features of 360 and PS3. You never had anything like COD4 or Halo 3 or Resistance on a last gen console, the experiences often rival current PC online quality.
Not going to debate you on every point, but if you compare something like Lost Planet, which is at least a little underrated generally, to things we had in previous console generations, I think it stands up remarkably well, if not saying outright it's a better action game than all of them (other than little gameplay decisions here and there which are opinion related).
These shots look rather atmospheric. Quite pleasing. Maybe it'll be harder to make a choice when it's out as to get it for Wii or 360, dependent on how the emergent gameplay pans out... will be interesting to see how the tech works out on the older gen machinery.
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Commented on 2008-04-03 20:09:52
Commented on 2008-04-03 20:27:01gamersyde have brains
Commented on 2008-04-03 20:30:38 In reply to chupakneebraygamersyde have brains
Commented on 2008-04-03 20:52:52Having said that it doesn't take away from just how fun the wii is for parties. Four people on super smash bros all quite drunk and its riot.
On topic:
Looks very good for a ps2 game. While I will most certainly be getting the 360 version, the wii one may be good if it has some cool motion sensing controls.
Commented on 2008-04-03 20:53:59But do please refrain from understanding that! How would this place look without the constant Wii hate? :)
Commented on 2008-04-03 21:05:17
Commented on 2008-04-03 21:07:26 In reply to SimonM7Wii hate just requires so little effort.
Commented on 2008-04-03 21:17:09 In reply to Slique
Commented on 2008-04-03 21:19:27
Commented on 2008-04-03 21:30:03
Commented on 2008-04-03 21:30:16 In reply to RonsauceIf prettier graphics distinguish one game from another essentially identical game - then that's awesome for you.
And also part of my point, with my point being that only slightly changing the definition of what is "the same as Xbox and PS2", it's easy to shift subjects around aswell. Then again, I'm in a devastatingly tiny minority in seeing things that way, because while Mario Galaxy is "another fucking Mario game, grr!", Halo 3 is apparently new and exciting. :)
Fortunately I'm not big with the hating, so I'm not really in anyone's particular camp here.
Commented on 2008-04-03 21:42:09
Commented on 2008-04-03 21:57:20 In reply to SimonM7I just don't understand it to a certain extent. Why wouldn't someone rather play a nicer-looking version of a game on a 360 or a PS3 over the clearly inferior-looking version on the Wii?
Commented on 2008-04-03 22:01:05 In reply to synce
Commented on 2008-04-03 22:14:37 In reply to RonsauceBut granted, if they all play virtually the same then the "best" version is obviously the one with the most qualities, including graphics.
I should maybe adjust my own statement a bit about graphics though as to not sound completely delusional. Graphics matter to me, but the "complexity" of graphics doesn't. I will be blown away by an awesome looking "SNES tech" game today. Heck, I even think Megaman for NES look stunning. An ugly game for me is always ugly, while a pretty game for me is always pretty. You can't show me something now that'll be outdated in four years and have me think it's pretty, because then it really isn't pretty at all. Just new.
Standards apparently rise all the time but I don't really feel that anymore. I don't say that like I'm better than anyone else, I say that because that's how I feel about it. That's why something like Ouendan 2 on the DS can dazzle me almost to the point of tears, whereas something mind bogglingly TECHNICALLY gob smacking like Crysis leaves me completely indifferent. I can see why it's impressive, but it's really just about pushing the tech.. tech that is always rushing forward, thus making games into virtual sand castles that'll be torn down by the next wave.
I guess we're both lucky in different ways, but right now I think you'll be the lucky one more frequently than I am, because the pretty:new quota is certainly in your favour.
Commented on 2008-04-03 23:42:12But anyways, power does a LOT MORE for games than just making prettier graphics and better sound.
Everything from physics to extra power for online play to better AI to more complex designs and gameplay. We HAVE seen all these things in games already, but people don't often perceive changes that don't go right into their senses.
What looks cool about AOTD5 is the gameplay and physics, and I'm willing the bet the Wii can't do those bending metal physics at the very least.
Commented on 2008-04-03 23:49:27
Commented on 2008-04-04 00:43:31 In reply to HYBRIDTH30RYLooks pretty good though, although I cannot stand 480 anything lol so I'll be playing the next gen all the way lol
Commented on 2008-04-04 00:45:48 In reply to JigenBut anyways, power does a LOT MORE for games than just making prettier graphics and better sound.
Everything from physics to extra power for online play to better AI to more complex designs and gameplay. We HAVE seen all these things in games already, but people don't often perceive changes that don't go right into their senses.
What looks cool about AOTD5 is the gameplay and physics, and I'm willing the bet the Wii can't do those bending metal physics at the very least.
And that dynamic deformation of the metal... Its pretty awesome... lol
Commented on 2008-04-04 01:00:23 In reply to JigenWe're obviously talking purely about aesthetics here. If you honestly think there's an abundance of 360/PS3 games that are vastly beyond what last gen tech games were capable of in terms of gameplay and AI, then congrats to you aswell. I can count the ones I reckon fall into that category on one hand.
I know we're leaving facts behind and again enter the realm philosophies when I say this but I really don't think physics are quite all they're cracked up to be. Ironically, the coolest physics in a long time in my opinion belong to the Wii game Eledees where the game is based on the concept of physics. Half Life 2 is an obvious choice aswell, but that's starting to feel like a while ago. In most cases physics end up just another brand of "pretty", with explosions being more spectacular because stuff is flying all over.
I'm hyped for AiTD by the way, let's not lose sight of that fact. It's not like I'm going to get the Wii or PS2 version of something that is obviously developed with the PS3 and 360 in mind, because they're most likely gonna be a bit rubbish like everything else that's just put on as many platforms as possible. It has happened of course, with Splinter Cell: Double Agent being rediculous amounts of superior on Xbox compared to the 360, but I don't think this is likely to pull one of those.
A really cool compromise would be to instead develop remakes of 1-3 for the Wii. Dressing up as santa and whacking zombie kids with a frying pan would be all sorts of awesome with the Wiimote. Those games need a controls overhaul to work today anyway.
Commented on 2008-04-04 02:50:00However, I think that it's important to remember that we're talking about games here, and gameplay will pretty much ALWAYS be the defining factor of how good a game is. Who plays Monopoly for how pretty the board looks? Or plays cards because they want to see what the ace of spades looks like? Hopefully no one, but to be honest, there's probably some freak out there.
Anyway, my point is, you're all completely underestimating the power of the wii. And no, i'm not talking about it's graphical power, but it's power to make games feel different. Motion sensing has changed games entirely, look how big of a success the Wii has been! Even given it's admittedly poor graphics. Gameplay will always win.
So how can the Wii be old gen, when it's revolutionised gaming so much? Sure, the 360/PS3 might be able to do accurate metal-bending (is that really that much fun?) but with a Wii, you could actually bend the metal by swinging a wiimote around like a crazy person. Different kinds of power.
Fair enough if you mean old-gen graphically. But ONLY if you follow old-gen with "graphically".
And before you attack me, I don't own a wii (nor do I plan on getting one). I'm hardcore 360 =). I just thought some of the comments on this post were a bit too much.
Commented on 2008-04-04 02:57:52 In reply to BurglarizeThe thing about the Wii and its gameplay is that it mostly feels broken or unnecessary a lot of the time. Iffy gameplay and inferior graphics don't help it win me over at all.
Commented on 2008-04-04 03:19:16Look at the games that have been designed specifically for it, with attention and detail. Like No More Heroes or the very obvious Wii Tennis.
It certainly is difficult to stand up for the Wii given it's lack of deserving games (one of the reasons I don't own one myself) but I still think its worth standing up against the hate.
Commented on 2008-04-04 05:17:49 In reply to SimonM7So how can the Wii be old gen, when it's revolutionised gaming so much? Sure, the 360/PS3 might be able to do accurate metal-bending (is that really that much fun?) but with a Wii, you could actually bend the metal by swinging a wiimote around like a crazy person. Different kinds of power.
Fair enough if you mean old-gen graphically. But ONLY if you follow old-gen with "graphically".
And before you attack me, I don't own a wii (nor do I plan on getting one). I'm hardcore 360 =). I just thought some of the comments on this post were a bit too much.
And once again, system power is more than just graphics. If you really think so highly of the Wii you should probably get one and see what it's really about. I own all 3 platforms. Personally I wouldn't call the Wii 'last gen' it's just taking a completely different route. Good marketing and cutting costs, to ensure a great profit, and those things in particular I can't respect Nintendo for.
I know we're leaving facts behind and again enter the realm philosophies when I say this but I really don't think physics are quite all they're cracked up to be. Ironically, the coolest physics in a long time in my opinion belong to the Wii game Eledees where the game is based on the concept of physics. Half Life 2 is an obvious choice aswell, but that's starting to feel like a while ago. In most cases physics end up just another brand of "pretty", with explosions being more spectacular because stuff is flying all over.
I'm hyped for AiTD by the way, let's not lose sight of that fact. It's not like I'm going to get the Wii or PS2 version of something that is obviously developed with the PS3 and 360 in mind, because they're most likely gonna be a bit rubbish like everything else that's just put on as many platforms as possible. It has happened of course, with Splinter Cell: Double Agent being rediculous amounts of superior on Xbox compared to the 360, but I don't think this is likely to pull one of those.
A really cool compromise would be to instead develop remakes of 1-3 for the Wii. Dressing up as santa and whacking zombie kids with a frying pan would be all sorts of awesome with the Wiimote. Those games need a controls overhaul to work today anyway.
Not going to debate you on every point, but if you compare something like Lost Planet, which is at least a little underrated generally, to things we had in previous console generations, I think it stands up remarkably well, if not saying outright it's a better action game than all of them (other than little gameplay decisions here and there which are opinion related).
Commented on 2008-04-04 09:39:43