Pretty graphics aside I'd lump 360 and PS3 games in with Xbox and PS2 aswell. It's just really, really, really important to some people and not so much to others.

But do please refrain from understanding that! How would this place look without the constant Wii hate? :)

Well you're lucky. For me graphics stopped being important a long time ago, and I can barely tell one generation from the other now that sequelitis and super mega ultra established genres have everything frozen in predictable place.

If prettier graphics distinguish one game from another essentially identical game - then that's awesome for you.

And also part of my point, with my point being that only slightly changing the definition of what is "the same as Xbox and PS2", it's easy to shift subjects around aswell. Then again, I'm in a devastatingly tiny minority in seeing things that way, because while Mario Galaxy is "another fucking Mario game, grr!", Halo 3 is apparently new and exciting. :)

Fortunately I'm not big with the hating, so I'm not really in anyone's particular camp here.

Well that's obviously a matter of how well realised the Wii controls are. It was you who removed the "gimmicky controls" from the equation, and I was doing the same with graphics to turn your example on end.

But granted, if they all play virtually the same then the "best" version is obviously the one with the most qualities, including graphics.


I should maybe adjust my own statement a bit about graphics though as to not sound completely delusional. Graphics matter to me, but the "complexity" of graphics doesn't. I will be blown away by an awesome looking "SNES tech" game today. Heck, I even think Megaman for NES look stunning. An ugly game for me is always ugly, while a pretty game for me is always pretty. You can't show me something now that'll be outdated in four years and have me think it's pretty, because then it really isn't pretty at all. Just new.

Standards apparently rise all the time but I don't really feel that anymore. I don't say that like I'm better than anyone else, I say that because that's how I feel about it. That's why something like Ouendan 2 on the DS can dazzle me almost to the point of tears, whereas something mind bogglingly TECHNICALLY gob smacking like Crysis leaves me completely indifferent. I can see why it's impressive, but it's really just about pushing the tech.. tech that is always rushing forward, thus making games into virtual sand castles that'll be torn down by the next wave.

I guess we're both lucky in different ways, but right now I think you'll be the lucky one more frequently than I am, because the pretty:new quota is certainly in your favour.

Yeah what Ronsauce meant by muddy textures was that they're too stupid to realise how muddy they are. :D

We're obviously talking purely about aesthetics here. If you honestly think there's an abundance of 360/PS3 games that are vastly beyond what last gen tech games were capable of in terms of gameplay and AI, then congrats to you aswell. I can count the ones I reckon fall into that category on one hand.

I know we're leaving facts behind and again enter the realm philosophies when I say this but I really don't think physics are quite all they're cracked up to be. Ironically, the coolest physics in a long time in my opinion belong to the Wii game Eledees where the game is based on the concept of physics. Half Life 2 is an obvious choice aswell, but that's starting to feel like a while ago. In most cases physics end up just another brand of "pretty", with explosions being more spectacular because stuff is flying all over.

I'm hyped for AiTD by the way, let's not lose sight of that fact. It's not like I'm going to get the Wii or PS2 version of something that is obviously developed with the PS3 and 360 in mind, because they're most likely gonna be a bit rubbish like everything else that's just put on as many platforms as possible. It has happened of course, with Splinter Cell: Double Agent being rediculous amounts of superior on Xbox compared to the 360, but I don't think this is likely to pull one of those.

A really cool compromise would be to instead develop remakes of 1-3 for the Wii. Dressing up as santa and whacking zombie kids with a frying pan would be all sorts of awesome with the Wiimote. Those games need a controls overhaul to work today anyway.