Our PC videos of DiRT Rally

Commented on 2015-04-27 22:22:06

Just last night, a mate mentioned V-Rally from back in the day, and I said "Aye, they don't make games like that any more and probably never will again." Lo and behold, I see this here and I didn't even know about it. So it's just pure rally? Is it a proper sim handling? Do the cars have a proper sense of weight about them? That's essential for a rally game.

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Driftwood

Commented on 2015-04-27 22:51:21

Codesmasters are not doing as good as in the old days you know. That's why their games were published by Namco Bandai at some point.

MrWhite: we'll need a bit of time before we can answer your questions. :)

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Driftwood

Commented on 2015-04-27 23:00:17

There actually is a trailer but we didn't get it unfortunately. To be honest, as unexpected as this is, it's the kind of surprise I love. :)

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MrWhite

Commented on 2015-04-27 23:02:31

Posted by droezelke

Again: what does this game do on Early Access. It's made by Codemasters. The franchise is well established.
Is this the following business model now? Selling games before all content is even made? This is worse than selling a game and then adding pre-order content, season passes, a shitload of DLC, which is the current business model. And the 'feedback from the community' excuse is BS. Since Dirt 2, the community has been asking for a return to real rally.
The gaming industry is so fucked up these days.

It's fucked up indeed, but you can hardly blame devs now, when shit, dumbed down, hand holding nonsense sells by the bucket load. Introduce anything challenging to a games design like games used to be like, and it might put too many people who've bean weaned on arcade mechanics in their games off. It's the reason why games like Fifa and Tiger Woods (or is it Rory these days?) will never actually feel like a proper challenging and reward sim. I'm amazed Codemasters are even doing this, and even more shocked that they haven't even marketed this properly, because this is the first time I've actually seen it. It's a sad reflection of the state of the industry when proper sims get shoved to the side, or have to be released like this just to test the waters.

Oh, and thanks Drift.

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[quote=droezelke]Again: what does this game do on Early Access. It's made by Codemasters. The franchise is well established. 
Is this the following business model now? Selling games before all content is even made? This is worse than selling a game and then adding pre-order content, season passes, a shitload of DLC, which is the current business model. And the 'feedback from the community' excuse is BS. Since Dirt 2, the community has been asking for a return to real rally. 
The gaming industry is so fucked up these days.[/quote]
It's fucked up indeed, but you can hardly blame devs now, when shit, dumbed down, hand holding nonsense sells by the bucket load. Introduce anything challenging to a games design like games used to be like, and it might put too many people who've bean weaned on arcade mechanics in their games off. It's the reason why games like Fifa and Tiger Woods (or is it Rory these days?) will never actually feel like a proper challenging and reward sim. I'm amazed Codemasters are even doing this, and even more shocked that they haven't even marketed this properly, because this is the first time I've actually seen it. It's a sad reflection of the state of the industry when proper sims get shoved to the side, or have to be released like this just to test the waters.

Oh, and thanks Drift.

user82

Commented on 2015-04-28 00:42:39

Thanks for the videos.
I don't quite see where the recommended requirement is coming from, it doesn't look that impressive :(

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Viper98

Commented on 2015-04-28 02:03:59

Posted by droezelke

Again: what does this game do on Early Access. It's made by Codemasters. The franchise is well established.
Is this the following business model now? Selling games before all content is even made? This is worse than selling a game and then adding pre-order content, season passes, a shitload of DLC, which is the current business model. And the 'feedback from the community' excuse is BS. Since Dirt 2, the community has been asking for a return to real rally.
The gaming industry is so fucked up these days.

Early access is the future for all games. Give it 5 years and it will be standard for all studios, on pc at least, to offer an early access build.

And this is exactly how it should be.

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Eyesoftheraven

Commented on 2015-04-28 03:10:33 In reply to MrWhite

Dirt Rally even in early access is glorious. Audio, handling, graphics, general vibe are all A+

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aphex187

Commented on 2015-04-28 09:55:51 In reply to MrWhite

Posted by MrWhite

Just last night, a mate mentioned V-Rally from back in the day, and I said "Aye, they don't make games like that any more and probably never will again." Lo and behold, I see this here and I didn't even know about it. So it's just pure rally? Is it a proper sim handling? Do the cars have a proper sense of weight about them? That's essential for a rally game.

Friend of mine was round on saturday night and we started talking about the good ol' days playing V-Rally 1 & 2, saying 'it would be brilliant if they still made games like that', and then this pops up yesterday, haha!

All we need now is Toca Touring Car to make an appearance :)

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Driftwood

Commented on 2015-04-28 10:02:08 In reply to aphex187

It's called Project CARS.

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rob230

Commented on 2015-04-28 10:27:15

Interestingly I've heard this is similar handling to Richard Burns Rally... have you played that driftwood?

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Driftwood

Commented on 2015-04-28 10:33:54 In reply to rob230

Posted by rob230

Interestingly I've heard this is similar handling to Richard Burns Rally... have you played that driftwood?

I only played RBR once on 360 (backward compatibility) with the official wheel, and didn't really try hard. I haven't had time to try DiRT Rally yet, since I just got back home after a week vacation. :)

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MordeaniisChaos

Commented on 2015-04-28 11:54:47

Posted by droezelke

Again: what does this game do on Early Access. It's made by Codemasters. The franchise is well established.
Is this the following business model now? Selling games before all content is even made? This is worse than selling a game and then adding pre-order content, season passes, a shitload of DLC, which is the current business model. And the 'feedback from the community' excuse is BS. Since Dirt 2, the community has been asking for a return to real rally.
The gaming industry is so fucked up these days.

You're clearly just another consumer who heard post release feedback from the community was the devil.
There's nothing about the size of a company that should change if it makes sense to get feedback from actual customers. It's the direction that developers want to go.
Also? This game would NOT be made without this. Before you speak as if you are an expert on the industry, you should at least KNOW something about the particular topic (in this case the Dirt series and Codemasters) before spouting off.
The sooner people like you either get the hell out of the community or shed your naive "us vs them" mentality, the better.

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[quote=droezelke]Again: what does this game do on Early Access. It's made by Codemasters. The franchise is well established. 
Is this the following business model now? Selling games before all content is even made? This is worse than selling a game and then adding pre-order content, season passes, a shitload of DLC, which is the current business model. And the 'feedback from the community' excuse is BS. Since Dirt 2, the community has been asking for a return to real rally. 
The gaming industry is so fucked up these days.[/quote]
You're clearly just another consumer who heard post release feedback from the community was the devil.
There's nothing about the size of a company that should change if it makes sense to get feedback from actual customers. It's the direction that developers want to go.
Also? This game would NOT be made without this. Before you speak as if you are an expert on the industry, you should at least KNOW something about the particular topic (in this case the Dirt series and Codemasters) before spouting off.
The sooner people like you either get the hell out of the community or shed your naive "us vs them" mentality, the better.

MordeaniisChaos

Commented on 2015-04-28 11:55:55 In reply to user82

Posted by user82

Thanks for the videos.
I don't quite see where the recommended requirement is coming from, it doesn't look that impressive :(

Optimization and final assets/graphics are pretty late development milestones. It's Early Access, remember?

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der_ton

Commented on 2015-04-28 12:23:26

Great driving in the snow video! It's not really the point here on GSY, because it is about the game, not the driving, but it's nice to watch.
I'd love to see some replay videos or camera-behind-the-car gameplay videos.

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rob230

Commented on 2015-04-28 12:33:54

What the heck I've bought this :) I'll be streaming tonight on my twitch channel

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KORNdog

Commented on 2015-04-28 12:40:35

Posted by droezelke

Again: what does this game do on Early Access. It's made by Codemasters. The franchise is well established.
Is this the following business model now? Selling games before all content is even made? This is worse than selling a game and then adding pre-order content, season passes, a shitload of DLC, which is the current business model. And the 'feedback from the community' excuse is BS. Since Dirt 2, the community has been asking for a return to real rally.
The gaming industry is so fucked up these days.

tbh i'm happy they're doing this. although kinda wish it was across consoles too so they get a better guage on interest. it seems they're releasing a legit rally experience like everyone, including myself claimed they wanted. but will add the americanised bullshit in if there is an outcry for it. seems like a good way to do things with such niche genre's like rally. i just wish i could show support for a core rally experience.

i'd love EA to do something similar for a traditional SSX. guage interest with a small "taster" that you have to pay for.

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[quote=droezelke]Again: what does this game do on Early Access. It's made by Codemasters. The franchise is well established. 
Is this the following business model now? Selling games before all content is even made? This is worse than selling a game and then adding pre-order content, season passes, a shitload of DLC, which is the current business model. And the 'feedback from the community' excuse is BS. Since Dirt 2, the community has been asking for a return to real rally. 
The gaming industry is so fucked up these days.[/quote]

tbh i'm happy they're doing this. although kinda wish it was across consoles too so they get a better guage on interest. it seems they're releasing a legit rally experience like everyone, including myself claimed they wanted. but will add the americanised bullshit in if there is an outcry for it. seems like a good way to do things with such niche genre's like rally. i just wish i could show support for a core rally experience.

i'd love EA to do something similar for a traditional SSX. guage interest with a small "taster" that you have to pay for.

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KORNdog

Commented on 2015-04-28 12:59:35

finally got round to watching the footage. and it still looks quite "office chair" in terms of handling?

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KORNdog

Commented on 2015-04-28 13:08:38

Posted by droezelke

I agree that involving the community at early development stages can be a good thing. But there are ways to do this without asking money for it. Alpha and beta tests. If they want the feedback of the community to make a better game, it feels wrong to have to pay to be able to give feedback.

in this case i'm not sure it's about feedback. alpha and beta suggest a full game is in development. what i like about this sort of approach, is it's development based on reception. this wouldnt exist if it wasn't developed in this way. the genre is too niche. but it also gives them the freedom to add elements that some people liked in the americanised games.

i'd hapily pay £10 for a traditional SSX that only had 3 tracks and 4 characters for instance.

what a lot of devs do, which i think is a mistake. is they try to guage the popularity of something by re-releasing an old version of it. (see abes oddysee or REmake) this is fine but most people already bought those games and don't want to buy them again but would buy a new game in that style. i'd much rather they go for this "pay upfront for a new game in a niche genre" even if it's just a taster, then either not make it at all.

at the end of the day we're never going to see a traditional resi, SSX or colin mcrae again in a full fledged, big budget retail release. but as a crowd funded or early access release it's entirely possible. case in point...i'm looking forward to receiving my amplitude code once it's finsihed, a game that would have otherwise never existed.

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[quote=droezelke]

I agree that involving the community at early development stages can be a good thing. But there are ways to do this without asking money for it. Alpha and beta tests. If they want the feedback of the community to make a better game, it feels wrong to have to pay to be able to give feedback.[/quote]

in this case i'm not sure it's about feedback. alpha and beta suggest a full game is in development. what i like about this sort of approach, is it's development based on reception. this wouldnt exist if it wasn't developed in this way. the genre is too niche. but it also gives them the freedom to add elements that some people liked in the americanised games.

i'd hapily pay £10 for a traditional SSX that only had 3 tracks and 4 characters for instance.

what a lot of devs do, which i think is a mistake. is they try to guage the popularity of something by re-releasing an old version of it. (see abes oddysee or REmake) this is fine but most people already bought those games and don't want to buy them again but would buy a new game in that style. i'd much rather they go for this "pay upfront for a new game in a niche genre" even if it's just a taster, then either not make it at all.

at the end of the day we're never going to see a traditional resi, SSX or colin mcrae again in a full fledged, big budget retail release. but as a crowd funded or early access release it's entirely possible. case in point...i'm looking forward to receiving my amplitude code once it's finsihed, a game that would have otherwise never existed.

Zat

Commented on 2015-04-28 16:21:18

If it has the physics of Richard Burns Rally, I will get it for sure. It looks great!

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THU31

Commented on 2015-04-28 17:17:30

Posted by droezelke

Again: what does this game do on Early Access. It's made by Codemasters. The franchise is well established.
Is this the following business model now? Selling games before all content is even made? This is worse than selling a game and then adding pre-order content, season passes, a shitload of DLC, which is the current business model. And the 'feedback from the community' excuse is BS. Since Dirt 2, the community has been asking for a return to real rally.
The gaming industry is so fucked up these days.

Early access is being exploited by many developers, but it is not bad by definition.
People wanted Codemasters to make a proper rally game. Now they can actually tell Codemasters how to make the game. I do not think that is bad.
The final game will be a lot more expensive anyway, and you will get all future content for free if you buy early access. I am definitely thinking about it.

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Our PC videos of DiRT Rally

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Greece - Lancia Delta HF Integrale

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