Splinter Cell Blacklist : Date & trailer

Commented on 2013-01-17 21:46:23

good news for the 13 year olds , bad news for the core gamer and splinter cell fans.

should have just renamed the game entirely .
the third screen shot face looks like he is 13 year old in a older body , lol.

new move :
press any button on the controller and everyone just dies , lol

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Eamon

Commented on 2013-01-17 22:16:13

I don't get it. Is this a sequel to Conviction? Or a semi-reboot?

And what happened to Michael Ironside? Seriously, his voice was one of the best shit ever.

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Ve3tro

Commented on 2013-01-17 22:44:45

It visually looks worse than Chaos Theory lol. I'll play but not expecting much from it.

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b0vril

Commented on 2013-01-17 23:41:57 In reply to radsy

Posted by radsy

good news for the 13 year olds , bad news for the core gamer and splinter cell fans.

Why is it always about kids? I don't get it. Well I'd guess, it's some age superiority complex thing, but grown men will play this game and think it's amazing; grown men who grew up playing the old Splinter Cells at that.

The people who will love this game are not kids, they just aren't obsessive gaming nerds.

But yea it looks shit.

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omegaheat

Commented on 2013-01-18 00:39:25

Why on earth would any publisher release images so poor? I'd rather them doctor the image (which I also hate) than for them to release something that will only exacerbate my skepticism.

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michaelob

Commented on 2013-01-18 03:07:38 In reply to b0vril

Posted by b0vril

Why is it always about kids? I don't get it. Well I'd guess, it's some age superiority complex thing, but grown men will play this game and think it's amazing; grown men who grew up playing the old Splinter Cells at that.

The people who will love this game are not kids, they just aren't obsessive gaming nerds.

But yea it looks shit.

I don't think it is an age superiority complex, but frustration that games are supposedly being catered to the younger generation of gamers. Developers seem to believe that most of them tend to prefer games that play themselves. As long as they make your moves look cool and cinematic and make you overpowered, they think kids will love it. I'm sure there are younger gamers who would hate this style and older gamers who would love it, but I think on average, most gamers would opt for a bit of "tactics and stealth" in a tactical stealth series.

This simplification is especially prevalent in UBI games. They used to the most hardcore tactical games out there, but now are so simplified it's not funny. Look at things like the HUD in FC3 or the latest Ghost Recon. Every enemy, dead body, plant, animal, vehicle, has to have a giant colored outline and tags over them to tell you what they are. Giant arrows and prompts and HUD elements litter every square inch of the screen to ensure that you always know exactly what to do next, because god forbid we have to actually figure something out.

BTW, this must have been their "stealth" trailer, as I didn't see a single air strike , large scale firefight, auto navigate/execute, or QTE. This may have been their video to appeal to the old SC fans, before they launch the real trailers.

Also, no Michael Ironside=no Sam Fisher. They should have just made a new agent....

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[quote=b0vril]

Why is it always about kids? I don't get it. Well I'd guess, it's some age superiority complex thing, but grown men will play this game and think it's amazing; grown men who grew up playing the old Splinter Cells at that.

The people who will love this game are not kids, they just aren't obsessive gaming nerds.

But yea it looks shit.[/quote]

I don't think it is an age superiority complex, but frustration that games are supposedly being catered to the younger generation of gamers.  Developers seem to believe that most of them tend to prefer games that play themselves.  As long as they make your moves look cool and cinematic and make you overpowered, they think kids will love it.  I'm sure there are younger gamers who would hate this style and older gamers who would love it, but I think on average, most gamers would opt for a bit of "tactics and stealth" in a tactical stealth series.

This simplification is especially prevalent in UBI games.  They used to the most hardcore tactical games out there, but now are so simplified it's not funny.  Look at things like the HUD in FC3 or the latest Ghost Recon.  Every enemy, dead body, plant, animal, vehicle, has to have a giant colored outline and tags over them to tell you what they are.  Giant arrows and prompts and HUD elements litter every square inch of the screen to ensure that you always know exactly what to do next, because god forbid we have to actually figure something out.

BTW, this must have been their "stealth" trailer, as I didn't see a single air strike , large scale firefight, auto navigate/execute, or QTE.  This may have been their video to appeal to the old SC fans, before they launch the real trailers.

Also, no Michael Ironside=no Sam Fisher.  They should have just made a new agent....

KING_The_Godfather

Commented on 2013-01-18 04:45:05 In reply to michaelob

Posted by michaelob

BTW, this must have been their "stealth" trailer, as I didn't see a single air strike , large scale firefight, auto navigate/execute, or QTE. This may have been their video to appeal to the old SC fans, before they launch the real trailers.

Well, they lost one of their oldest fans.

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Kostchtchie

Commented on 2013-01-18 06:25:38

looking forward to it, though disappointed no ironside :/

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Zat

Commented on 2013-01-18 09:41:27

I will buy it. I want all Splinter Cell games. The best SC of all time is Chaos Theory for me, but still, Im sure I will have fun with this as well. And saying its visualy worse than Chaos Theory is just nonsense. Just to say something against it. CT really looks great even today, but this really looks better.

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MiladGX5

Commented on 2013-01-18 11:54:38

Not so good! Awhhhhh!

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Waltersson

Commented on 2013-01-18 15:23:58

Im a fan of the series and knowing that Ironside wont be doing Sams voice is really upsetting. You dont just remove the dude who gave life to our sneaky latex ninja! They should have kept ironside and made Sam the new director of fourth echelon. Imagine having Sam as your new boss! Also they should have kept Archer and Kestrel from SC:Conviction, and made them the new guys in the field. That way you wouldnt scratch your head wondering how a seasoned geezer like Sam can do the things he do without subscribing to some serious meds.....which he probarley already does giving he's been through alot, bullet wounds and fractures not to mention he thought his kid had died that one time.

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Kostchtchie

Commented on 2013-01-18 16:16:13 In reply to Waltersson

Posted by Waltersson

Im a fan of the series and knowing that Ironside wont be doing Sams voice is really upsetting. You dont just remove the dude who gave life to our sneaky latex ninja! They should have kept ironside and made Sam the new director of fourth echelon. Imagine having Sam as your new boss! Also they should have kept Archer and Kestrel from SC:Conviction, and made them the new guys in the field. That way you wouldnt scratch your head wondering how a seasoned geezer like Sam can do the things he do without subscribing to some serious meds.....which he probarley already does giving he's been through alot, bullet wounds and fractures not to mention he thought his kid had died that one time.

exactly, that would have been good trade of, and they could brought in new agent

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Waltersson

Commented on 2013-01-18 20:29:51 In reply to Kostchtchie

A new agent would have been nice! I know im not alone when I say that a female operative would be a welcome addition to the team.. Im thinkin Grimdottir could be the one pushing for a new member and they guys being guys thinks its because of gender, when in actuallity its because of some serious skill that she has aquired while being deep undercover or something. But im dreaming here!

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Real720

Commented on 2013-01-19 01:27:21

They're better off shedding some light on the details for spies vs mercs instead of showing us another overdone trailer.

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koenshaku

Commented on 2013-01-19 17:53:12

A shame they have decided to make shallow modern propaganda game I will not be buying this one.

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infamous

Commented on 2013-01-20 12:45:27

Havem't played SC game for a very long time. Hope it is good. Horribe trailer though

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pythxvii

Commented on 2013-01-20 19:18:04 In reply to koenshaku

Posted by michaelob

I don't think it is an age superiority complex, but frustration that games are supposedly being catered to the younger generation of gamers. Developers seem to believe that most of them tend to prefer games that play themselves. As long as they make your moves look cool and cinematic and make you overpowered, they think kids will love it. I'm sure there are younger gamers who would hate this style and older gamers who would love it, but I think on average, most gamers would opt for a bit of "tactics and stealth" in a tactical stealth series.

This simplification is especially prevalent in UBI games. They used to the most hardcore tactical games out there, but now are so simplified it's not funny. Look at things like the HUD in FC3 or the latest Ghost Recon. Every enemy, dead body, plant, animal, vehicle, has to have a giant colored outline and tags over them to tell you what they are. Giant arrows and prompts and HUD elements litter every square inch of the screen to ensure that you always know exactly what to do next, because god forbid we have to actually figure something out.

BTW, this must have been their "stealth" trailer, as I didn't see a single air strike , large scale firefight, auto navigate/execute, or QTE. This may have been their video to appeal to the old SC fans, before they launch the real trailers.

Also, no Michael Ironside=no Sam Fisher. They should have just made a new agent....

You just sound like every other whiney asshole on the internet. I think it looked cool. If you want to play old SC... PLAY OLD SC. You don't get to bicth when sequels aren't exact carbon copies and also bitch about how Call of Duty never fuckin' changes.
I though the E3 trailer looked really sharp, and I'm intrigued about this game to be sure. I'd rather have something that goes away from the old formula than just have the same old shit. If they could figure a way to make an evolution of that old formula, sort of how they did with Ghost Recon to GRAW (both of the GRAW games were pretty awesome, and were more evolutions of the originals than anything else. They were different enough to be fresh and new, but retained the same feel of the originals. Then again, there were only a couple of previous GR games, there have been a ton of SC games.

Posted by koenshaku

A shame they have decided to make shallow modern propaganda game I will not be buying this one.

What? lol

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[quote=michaelob]

I don't think it is an age superiority complex, but frustration that games are supposedly being catered to the younger generation of gamers.  Developers seem to believe that most of them tend to prefer games that play themselves.  As long as they make your moves look cool and cinematic and make you overpowered, they think kids will love it.  I'm sure there are younger gamers who would hate this style and older gamers who would love it, but I think on average, most gamers would opt for a bit of "tactics and stealth" in a tactical stealth series.

This simplification is especially prevalent in UBI games.  They used to the most hardcore tactical games out there, but now are so simplified it's not funny.  Look at things like the HUD in FC3 or the latest Ghost Recon.  Every enemy, dead body, plant, animal, vehicle, has to have a giant colored outline and tags over them to tell you what they are.  Giant arrows and prompts and HUD elements litter every square inch of the screen to ensure that you always know exactly what to do next, because god forbid we have to actually figure something out.

BTW, this must have been their "stealth" trailer, as I didn't see a single air strike , large scale firefight, auto navigate/execute, or QTE.  This may have been their video to appeal to the old SC fans, before they launch the real trailers.

Also, no Michael Ironside=no Sam Fisher.  They should have just made a new agent....[/quote]
You just sound like every other whiney asshole on the internet. I think it looked cool. If you want to play old SC... PLAY OLD SC. You don't get to bicth when sequels aren't exact carbon copies and also bitch about how Call of Duty never fuckin' changes.
I though the E3 trailer looked really sharp, and I'm intrigued about this game to be sure. I'd rather have something that goes away from the old formula than just have the same old shit. If they could figure a way to make an evolution of that old formula, sort of how they did with Ghost Recon to GRAW (both of the GRAW games were pretty awesome, and were more evolutions of the originals than anything else. They were different enough to be fresh and new, but retained the same feel of the originals. Then again, there were only a couple of previous GR games, there have been a ton of SC games.
[quote=koenshaku]A shame they have decided to make shallow modern propaganda game I will not be buying this one.[/quote]
What? lol

Sath

Commented on 2013-01-20 23:30:35

I agree, no Michael Ironside is a shame :(

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KORNdog

Commented on 2013-01-21 00:28:36 In reply to pythxvii

Posted by pythxvii

long whining post about people whining

I cannot believe you just compared GRAW to the old ghost recon games. Not only where they NOTHING alike, they are the first time, and prime example of ubisoft fucking over the fans for the sake of mainstream appeal. Fuck that.

And the whole "you don't get to bitch" argument doesnt work. The people "bitching" are the people who still love the old formula. Why would they want that it to change if they still enjoy it? I want COD to change because *I* think its gameplay is tired and boring but i know thats precisely why a shit ton of people buy it every year. I don't want splinter cell to change (too late for that) because i still think chaos theory is the pinacle of the series and i want more of it, but i know what they're doing has more mass appeal and probably sells better. How about you pull your head out of your ass and just accept that people don't like what they're seeing here instead of trying to tell them what they can and can't complain about?

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[quote=pythxvii]long whining post about people whining[/quote]

I cannot believe you just compared GRAW to the old ghost recon games. Not only where they NOTHING alike, they are the first time, and prime example of ubisoft fucking over the fans for the sake of mainstream appeal. Fuck that.

And the whole "you don't get to bitch" argument doesnt work. The people "bitching" are the people who still love the old formula. Why would they want that it to change if they still enjoy it? I want COD to change because *I* think its gameplay is tired and boring but i know thats precisely why a shit ton of people buy it every year. I don't want splinter cell to change (too late for that) because i still think chaos theory is the pinacle of the series and i want more of it, but i know what they're doing has more mass appeal and probably sells better. How about you pull your head out of your ass and just accept that people don't like what they're seeing here instead of trying to tell them what they can and can't complain about?

crookedmind

Commented on 2013-01-21 03:45:21

It was all, BOOM! Then it went all, BAM! BANG! KABOOSH! EXTREEEEEEME!

Sam Fischer is John Rambo in: True Lies

Enjoy it for a whole week, kids!

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ManThatYouFear

Commented on 2013-01-21 11:14:38 In reply to crookedmind

Posted by pythxvii

blah blah blah

*HITS THE BRAKES*

hold on.. wait.. evoluti... what now? what di i just fucking read o.0

Sorry but but thats fucking bullshit, massive fat huge stinking sloppy bullshit.

You sir, should go and hurt yourself until your sorry.

Posted by crookedmind

It was all, BOOM! Then it went all, BAM! BANG! KABOOSH! EXTREEEEEEME!

Sam Fischer is John Rambo in: True Lies

Enjoy it for a whole week, kids!

I had faith in this when they said they was going back to Chaos theory, but apparently that was just the art.

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michaelob

Commented on 2013-01-22 02:53:49 In reply to pythxvii

Posted by pythxvii

Whining 2.0

People like you are why all games are all becoming the same recycled trash year after year, and they're becoming harder to distinguish from the other x,xxx generic, cinematic shooters. Just because you enjoy pressing X to win and watch cool explosions doesn't invalidate the opinions of the rest of us who like to use our brains on occasion.

Korn pretty much summed it up, but improving and evolving a series does not have to mean ditching what made the series unique. No one is asking for carbon copies of the old SC, GR, or R6 games. There are plenty of ways to evolve and improve them without making them COD. Seriously, if you can tell me that having F-ing air strikes and large scale firefights in Splinter Cell is evolving the series AND staying true to its roots with a straight face, then you have serious issues.

Here is one of the "exciting" new features in Blacklist that I'm sure you will love (direct from the IGN preview):

"Simply holding down one button will now allow players to sprint through environments, leaping over obstacles and climbing over objects as necessary. Taking out enemies during that dash is as easy as tapping a button. The goal here is to remove the challenges that can come with complicated, frustrating controls"

Now that is what I call tactical stealth action!!!

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[quote=pythxvii]
Whining 2.0[/quote]

People like you are why all games are all becoming the same recycled trash year after year, and they're becoming harder to distinguish from the other x,xxx generic, cinematic shooters.  Just because you enjoy pressing X to win and watch cool explosions doesn't invalidate the opinions of the rest of us who like to use our brains on occasion.

Korn pretty much summed it up, but improving and evolving a series does not have to mean ditching what made the series unique.  No one is asking for carbon copies of the old SC, GR, or R6 games.  There are plenty of ways to evolve and improve them without making them COD.  Seriously, if you can tell me that having F-ing air strikes and large scale firefights in Splinter Cell is evolving the series AND staying true to its roots with a straight face, then you have serious issues.

Here is one of the "exciting" new features in Blacklist that I'm sure you will love (direct from the IGN preview):

"Simply holding down one button will now allow players to sprint through environments, leaping over obstacles and climbing over objects as necessary. Taking out enemies during that dash is as easy as tapping a button. The goal here is to remove the challenges that can come with complicated, frustrating controls"

Now that is what I call tactical stealth action!!!

ManThatYouFear

Commented on 2013-01-22 11:32:55

Christ michaelob, that has left a horrid taste in my mouth, sounds like assassins creeds "free running"

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michaelob

Commented on 2013-01-23 03:31:24 In reply to ManThatYouFear

Posted by ManThatYouFear

Christ michaelob, that has left a horrid taste in my mouth, sounds like assassins creeds "free running"

That's exactly what I thought. It's like a bunch of UBI suits sat down in a boardroom and said "alright what games do the kids enjoy these days". After coming up with a list of 5 games, they decided to implement a few features from each.

But hey, at least we won't have to worry about the "challenges that come with complicated, frustrating controls" anymore. I heard they are implementing a single button that is context sensitive and just does whatever is needed at the time (shooting, jumping, airstrike etc). That way we could play it with an Atari joystick (minus the joystick part)

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ManThatYouFear

Commented on 2013-01-23 07:23:43

i'd rent it to to complete main game and trial the MP to see if they got there shit together, but yey for online passes *thumbs up* cant even test it to see if i should buy it.

I understand the purpose of passes but... when your games online mode (let alone offline mode) has been absolute fucking horse shit for the past two games, bit of a piss take really.

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