Assassin's Creed - Discussion (spoilers)

INDIGO
INDIGO
Since 7707 Days
I have played the game briefly. It is breathtaking. Don't believe everything you read.
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alimokrane
alimokrane
Since 6935 Days
Ouch & Ouch = Double Ouch. a 7/10 from Eurogamer
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=87...

/ goes to the corner and weeps!
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Bring on Lost Odyssey!

shido
shido
Since 6701 Days
Really really doesn't matter at all. If newcastle united were reviewed they'd probably be a 6/10 don't stop me lovin them.
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TheBeagle
TheBeagle
Since 6610 Days
Actually, the reviews have made me decide to rent this. It sounds like it gets real repetitive and Indigo, you wouldn't get that impression after playing it briefly now would you ?
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bloodforge
bloodforge
Since 6998 Days
I don't get the "repetitive" criticism, games have always been repetitive and always will be, its a pretty big part of this hobby.
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dcdelgado
dcdelgado
Since 6865 Days
IGN 7.7/10
TEAMXBOOX 7/10
GAMESPY 7/10

I dont care i'm buying this game!
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Sath
Since 6871 Days
Reviews are just a simple "touch" to what the game is going to be like, but from what I have seen and read, game is great.
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Slabs
Slabs
Since 7035 Days
Owners of both next-gen consoles take heed, AVOID THE PS3 VERSION.
These big open worlds, which are fully interactive, do come at a severe cost on PS3. There is considerable texture pop-in and noticeable framerate issues. Playing back-to-back with the 360 version, it's obvious that Ubisoft did not devote enough resources to the PS3 edition. The framerate is considerably worse, so much so that it begins to affect gameplay in the later levels. You can get through the first two-thirds of Assassin with the framerate being just an annoyance, but it becomes more of an issue for the final third of the missions.
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/834/834770p4.html
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bloodforge
bloodforge
Since 6998 Days
Gamespot gave it a 9. Oddly enough they say the framerate is BETTER in the PS3 version.
Posted by gamespot
There are few differences between the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 versions. PS3 owners are blessed with a slightly more solid frame rate, although the 360 version features a little more contrast in the lighting, so it's pretty much a wash.
Full review: http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/assassinscr...
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Jin187
Jin187
Since 6749 Days
Its the combat system that ruins this game for me. Its still a great game though, the graphics are amazing.
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Street Fighter 4... Believe.

alimokrane
alimokrane
Since 6935 Days
Posted by dcdelgado
IGN 7.7/10
TEAMXBOOX 7/10
GAMESPY 7/10

I dont care i'm buying this game!
WTF? Oh my god. I guess Ubisoft's CEO will be biting his nails. he Said that The game will DEFINATELY average a 90% Well s*** that now. what a pity ..... :( :( :(
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Bring on Lost Odyssey!

Slabs
Slabs
Since 7035 Days
Posted by bloodforge
Gamespot gave it a 9. Oddly enough they say the framerate is BETTER in the PS3 version.
IGN clearly mention that the PS3 suffers towards the end of the game, JeuxVideo also mention framerate problems in their PS3 review. If Gamespot have loaded them both up, given them a quick side-by-side and then gone on to finish the 360 version then they are gonna have a lot of pissed off readers.
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Optimusv2
Optimusv2
Since 6897 Days
Still buying it if I was dumb enough to believe every review out there I'd only end up buying what game sites tell me I should buy :)

Naruto Rise of a Ninja didn't get too many awesome reviews and yet I played that bad boy till like 3AM in the morning.
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Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

October 20th 2007 (A good day)

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of the greatest books ever.

pssh! more like electronic gay-ming monthly! amirite

mkk316
mkk316
Since 6818 Days
why does the ps3 verson always have to be the inferior one? The game was originally announced as a ps3 title for god's sake (though everyone and their mom knew it would come for 360 too). You would at least think it would be equal to the 360 version if not superior. booerns.
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Saying you cant find animaton in Japan is like saying you cant find food in Italy

Jollipop
Jollipop
Since 6888 Days
Posted by Slabs
Owners of both next-gen consoles take heed, AVOID THE PS3 VERSION.
These big open worlds, which are fully interactive, do come at a severe cost on PS3. There is considerable texture pop-in and noticeable framerate issues. Playing back-to-back with the 360 version, it's obvious that Ubisoft did not devote enough resources to the PS3 edition. The framerate is considerably worse, so much so that it begins to affect gameplay in the later levels. You can get through the first two-thirds of Assassin with the framerate being just an annoyance, but it becomes more of an issue for the final third of the missions.
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/834/834770p4.html
I didn't notice texture pop in on the 360 version but object pop in can be quite bad when riding a horse, perhaps thats to be expected though.

Interesting about the framerate difference though, goes without saying that any multiplatform game I get will be for 360.
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Marumaro for the WIN !!

Slabs
Slabs
Since 7035 Days
Posted by mkk316
why does the ps3 verson always have to be the inferior one? The game was originally announced as a ps3 title for god's sake (though everyone and their mom knew it would come for 360 too). You would at least think it would be equal to the 360 version if not superior. booerns.
You need to look at the constant element in these problems, the PS3 itself. Microsoft knows how developers like to work because it is a software company primarily.
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Jollipop
Jollipop
Since 6888 Days
Posted by Slabs
You need to look at the constant element in these problems, the PS3 itself. Microsoft knows how developers like to work because it is a software company primarily.
Correction MS knows how PC developers like to work.

Someone like Square-Enix and Kojima don't work anything like Ubisoft.

Although I agree that the 360 is more developer friendly, mainly because of the software.
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Marumaro for the WIN !!

mkk316
mkk316
Since 6818 Days
Posted by Jollipop
Correction MS knows how PC developers like to work.

Someone like Square-Enix and Kojima don't work anything like someone like Ubisoft.

Although I agree that the 360 is more developer friendly, mainly because of the software.
not just the software though, ive had SEVERAL instructors tell me whenever they needed 360 tech guys, they were always on hand and available.. This is something Sony definitely falls short in. As for AC, believe me, if my fucking 360 was working, i would have gotten the game for it, but im not willing to wait a few weeks for repairs.
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Saying you cant find animaton in Japan is like saying you cant find food in Italy

INDIGO
INDIGO
Since 7707 Days
Here are some spoiler-free impressions I wrote for another board. Enjoy!
The Truth About Assassin's Creed

There are a lot of opinions flying around today about Assassin's Creed, and a lot of doubt. And certain sad individuals have taken it upon themselves to latch onto the first negative reviews they can find and repeat it ad nauseam as gospel, though in fact they have not played the game themselves. I am here to set the record straight. Although let me just say ahead of time, my impressions are based off of roughly 6 or 7 hours of play, but that shouldn't discredit most of what I'm going to discuss.

Okay let's get right to it. Assassin's Creed is probably NOT what you are expecting. Or maybe it is, but it's not HOW you are expecting it. This is not your typical action game; in fact it's one of the most atypical games I have ever played, and I'm speaking mainly of the control scheme and how you interact with the world. I consider myself a seasoned gamer with well over 20 years under my belt. Having said that, after many hours of play time I still find myself struggling to wrap my head around the control scheme. Note, that does NOT mean it is bad; it is unorthodox, and takes quite a bit of time to learn. The game has a semi-lengthy tutorial when it starts, and even having completed it I still am not entirely sure I understand it. But let me stress again that this is not a bad thing. We are all used to certain control schemes for certain types of games, but this game is trying something unique and I think that if everyone approaches AC with an open mind they will discover that they really like this game for what it is. In some regards it might be easier for a complete gaming n00b to pick up and play Assassin's Creed because that person will not have to *unlearn* what they have learned in order to play. However, AC's control scheme is fairly complex at the same time, so that player will probably not have the patience to learn this game. In my opinion this is AC's biggest flaw, however it was necessary in order to deliver the experience that Ubi intended.

Much of what Altair does is AI driven. So running up the side of a wall, vaulting over the top and jumping from rooftop to rooftop does not require multiple button presses. In fact all you need to do is hold the right trigger and 'A' and press a direction and he will do it all for you, for the most part. You can still coax Altair this way or that with the left stick, so it's not like it's entirely automatic. But it does not feel like any game you have played (or at least any that I can think of). However this is not a bad thing. The point of this game is not intricate platforming, and frankly if you were being chased by guards and had to perfectly time every jump manually it would probably get frustrating very fast. To be honest it is in some ways very liberating not to have to do all of that shit, especially in the context of this game. The emphasis here is on recon and stealth. Altair is a skilled assassin and he doesn't need you to tell him when to jump. (I know, frightening isn't it?) The real focus of this game is exploration, planning and decision making.

The fighting mechanics are equally unique. Altair has two stances, offensive and defensive (toggled by holding and releasing the right trigger). If you are in defensive stance he will automatically block an opponent's strike. (This is true for the average guard; the Templar Knights are fucking tough and I don't know how to fight them yet; they WILL kick your ass.) Pressing the X button will attack, and pressing it again with the right timing will perform a combo. Most of the time the person you are attacking will block you as well, so it's really all about the timing of your button presses and your blocks, and how you manage being attacked from all sides at once. In defensive stance, pressing X at just the right moment will reverse an attack (unlockable ability). While fighting a flick of the left stick will let you highlight different targets so you can quickly block one guy and then attack another. You might be thinking that this approach will take you out of the experience, but in fact in my opinion it does the exact opposite. Some people are going to bitch and moan because this game does not play like a Ninja Gaiden or God of War, but the key here is immersion. Imagine Altair swinging his sword at 90 miles per hour while jumping over the heads of guards and off of walls - it would look silly. Instead you have a realistic looking sword fight with awesome animation and camera angles. This game is striving to look realistic and cinematic, and in my opinion it accomplishes this probably better than any other game in history. Coupled with one of the best stories ever in a video game (as well as probably THE BEST voice acting), incredible music, visuals and smart directing, and the experience is really second to none. To put it another way, I really should have been working on a research paper last night, but I could not put the controller down. Consequently I am running on 5 hours sleep and have to write the whole paper today, but it was absolutely worth it.

Something else that I want to stress is that this game requires patience, not only in the learning curve but also in the way you have to approach the game. Players that want to run quickly from one area to the next are going to find themselves being chased by guards all of the time. Even riding your horse too quickly past a guard post will alert them and cause them to chase you down. Often times you are going to have to walk slower through town than you want to, because even running through the crowded streets will raise people's suspicion of you. Assassin's Creed truly is a role playing game in the strictest sense of the phrase: you ARE Altaire, you ARE an assassin, and you'd better act like it or you are going to be beat down in a hurry.

I have to cut this short (lol) because of class, but all of this is to say, don't let some disgruntled game reviewer's opinion sway your decision to play or not play this game. It bugs the shit out of me that these guys mope around about how video games lack innovation, and then an innovative game comes along and they throw their hands up in protest. Assassin's Creed is truly a unique experience and an early glimpse of what the future of video gaming could be (if asshole reviewers don't sabotage it first). If not for Mass Effect coming this month, I would give AC my vote for Game of the Year right now without a second thought, and by a large margin. It truly has to be played to be believed. At the same time I know it will not be for everyone, so I will stop short of saying that everyone should run out and buy it immediately, but I urge you all to at least give it a try, because games like this don't come around very often.
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TheBeagle
TheBeagle
Since 6610 Days
Posted by bloodforge
I don't get the "repetitive" criticism, games have always been repetitive and always will be, its a pretty big part of this hobby.
I pretty much disagree. Sure a LOT of games are repetitive. Its the ones that manage to tackle this problem that truly shine.

According to reviews, this game has 9 guys to kill. The stuff you do leading up to the kill does not change throughout the game. That to me is repetitive. It was the same thing with crackdown although to be fair that game was not as "deep". Are you saying you are happy with repetition in games ?
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INDIGO
INDIGO
Since 7707 Days
Let's make a list of games that don't have repetitive mechanics.

I'll start.



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deftangel - Hot stuff!
deftangel
Since 6873 Days
Amusingly you're talking about repetitveness though I know the designers of this game (perhaps even the lovely Jade!) made a pretty big change to the structure of the missions in the middle of the game specifically to break up the repetitiveness!

I don't however feel that the inherrent repetiveness is a problem given the context that the game is set in. You're an Assassin in the Crusades. Assassins kill people, usually in assignments they complete one after the other. The middle east is not going to have a Moonbase Alpha 20 miles from Jerusalem either. Sure the game is padded out so that it's not a case of kill 9 people, game over but there is enough to take in and do within the cities for me to make it containable over the course of how long the game is designed to last.

If it was significantly longer then yes perhaps it'd be an issue but personally I'd say Indigo's impressions (with a respectful disagreement about the voice acting being the best ever) are bang on.
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TheBeagle
TheBeagle
Since 6610 Days
I think my comments have been taken the wrong way. Im still gonna play this game. I just aint gonna buy it anymore.
Posted by INDIGO
Let's make a list of games that don't have repetitive mechanics.

I'll start.
I didnt say games that have ZERO repetition. Some use pacing and gameplay mechanics far better than others. From some of the reviews I've read this game does not. Lighten up. You like this game, I get it.

Also, Deft that is good to hear. I'm just curious to know why I havent read about that in a review. Would it be considered a spoiler ?
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alimokrane
alimokrane
Since 6935 Days
Repetitive ??? where were those complaints in the reviews of Oh Wait All Games! Hitman is repetitive, splinter cell is repetitive, final fantasy is repetitive, god of war is repetitive oh Wait Shadow of the collossus is ..... I could keep going on and on

I blame the bad journalism that doesn appreciate innovation
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Bring on Lost Odyssey!

TheBeagle
TheBeagle
Since 6610 Days
Posted by 1up
While the story may seem a little complex, the actual game structure is surprisingly simple: Kill nine dudes. Yep, that's it. But before you can start the slaying, you must perform various investigations in order to gather the adequate information for each hit. You gather information in several different ways: picking pockets, eavesdropping on conversations, performing tasks for fellow assassins, and interrogating informants. In order to find out where you need to go in order to accomplish these tasks, you must climb up to various viewpoints throughout each city. (Though how you learn where to eavesdrop by simply climbing up a building is beyond me.) Regardless, turning Altaïr into a medieval Spider-Man in order to reach high points is one of the best parts about the game.

Or at least until you get sick of it -- which will likely happen very quickly. The fault of Creed's game structure isn't what you do -- gathering intel and conducting hits is actually pretty sweet. The repetition of these actions, however, is severely bitter. I kept waiting for a changeup of the objectives, and, well, that never happened. From the first hit to the last, you go through the same motions over and over and over...find the viewpoints, do the investigation missions, and take out the final target.
Why can't you understand that some games avoid this better than others ? I obviously haven't played the game but I just love arguing stuff like this because everyone is so quick to discredit reviews. Im gonna rent this game cause it sounds like it gets old quick. It would be better if you guys beat the game then came back here and let people know if it DID get boring or not. From what I can understand the people here that have played it havent beat it. The reviews say its great to begin with but gets tiring.
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