Forza Motorsport 3 : Thread

Since 6421 Days

Posted by GriftGFX

HDR is a technique whose purpose in videogames is to simulate a more realistic range... as seen naturally... but just implementing HDR does not automatically make a game look natural. The human eye is capable of distinguishing a contrast ratio of more than one million to one.. attempting to replicated that is far from a perfect science.

I absolutly agree with you. HDRR doesn't automatically make games more realistic, because this depends how programmers implement lighting. But it's a necessary foundation if you want to build a realistically lighting system. Even if you don't want a realistically looking lighting system you are gaining advantages for your image quality (more accurate range).

How your iris adapts to different light levels is a key to accurately emulating natural light in a videogame too

It's not about if it's important or not. Sure, it is very important for a realistic look. But it's not the matter of the technique HDR how programmers implement blending effects.

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[quote=GriftGFX]

HDR is a technique whose purpose in videogames is to simulate a more realistic range... as seen naturally... but just implementing HDR does not automatically make a game look natural. The human eye is capable of distinguishing a contrast ratio of more than one million to one.. attempting to replicated that is far from a perfect science.
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I absolutly agree with you. HDRR doesn't automatically make games more realistic, because this depends how programmers implement lighting. But it's a necessary foundation if you want to build a realistically lighting system. Even if you don't want a realistically looking lighting system you are gaining advantages for your image quality (more accurate range).

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How your iris adapts to different light levels is a key to accurately emulating natural light in a videogame too[/quote]

It's not about if it's important or not. Sure, it is very important for a realistic look. But it's not the matter of the technique HDR how programmers implement blending effects.

Jin187

Since 6760 Days

Posted by LEBATO

No. The marketing number for FM2 was "more than 60" tracks. So let's keep it at 60.

60/12 = 5. So on average....somehow....these guys came out with 5 tracks out of 1 actual.

So now that the marketing number is 100+ tracks, divide by 5 we get 20 actual. A decent number if true. An 8 track increase.

Sorry, there were actually 18 different enviroments on Forza 2 so 60/18 = 3 avg :)

Which suggests Forza 3 will have atleast 35 different eviroments which is much more than enough.

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LEBATO

Since 7138 Days

Posted by Jin187

Sorry, there were actually 18 different enviroments on Forza 2 so 60/18 = 3 avg :)

Which suggests Forza 3 will have atleast 35 different eviroments which is much more than enough.

So what the hell makes an environment? It's just a marketing BS term these dudes came up with.

There are 12 circuits/tracks, and that's what's relevant. How do they get 18 "environments" out of that? More marketing BS.

Or were you being sarcastic? (I hope).

Regardless. You get to the same amount of tracks I mentioned in my post (or add 2 or 3). And since we are talking about environments, the new shots focused on the track looked amazing. (see frontpage)

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Acert93

Since 6987 Days

iirc FM2 initially mentioned 18 and it was cut to offically 12 and has had a number of DLCs since that have increasd the number.

But FM2 is not a pretty game and the selected photomode shots really obscure the fact the actual game (which I still play) has all kinds of artifacts, no filtering, cartoony color schemes, and horrible paint jobs. Reflections were also lower resolution and updated slowly. The before/after shoots for FM2/FM3 Lebato posted validate everything I said about FM2... so haters can go hate elsewhere, especially since I don't see them online playing FM2!

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Optimusv2

Since 6908 Days

Problems aside, Forza Motorsport 2 was and basically still is the best current gen racer of this generation. At least until Forza 3 and the new GT show up that is :D

No lack of visual prowess prevented Forza 2 from being what it was meant to be at its core, an incredible racing sim. Comparison photos between forza 2 and forza 3 validate nothing aside from the fact that Forza 3 has obviously superior graphics. :)

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Jin187

Since 6760 Days

Posted by LEBATO

So what the hell makes an environment? It's just a marketing BS term these dudes came up with.

There are 12 circuits/tracks, and that's what's relevant. How do they get 18 "environments" out of that? More marketing BS.

Or were you being sarcastic? (I hope).

Regardless. You get to the same amount of tracks I mentioned in my post (or add 2 or 3). And since we are talking about environments, the new shots focused on the track looked amazing. (see frontpage)

I was quoting what the originally advertised.

Posted by Acert93

iirc FM2 initially mentioned 18 and it was cut to offically 12 and has had a number of DLCs since that have increasd the number.

45 tracks over 12 enviroments in the end...

so i guess its 45/12 = 4 avg so I guess we will be getting around 30 enviroments from 115 tracks in Forza 3.

The really great thing in Forza 3 is that the 3 variations of that single enviroment on the demo are completely different from each other unlike Forza 2 variations.

Posted by Optimusv2

Problems aside, Forza Motorsport 2 was and basically still is the best current gen racer of any generation. At least until Forza 3 and the new GT show up that is :D

Fixed :)

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[quote=LEBATO]
So what the hell makes an environment? It's just a marketing BS term these dudes came up with.

There are 12 circuits/tracks, and that's what's relevant.  How do they get 18 "environments" out of that?  More marketing BS.

Or were you being sarcastic? (I hope).

Regardless. You get to the same amount of tracks I mentioned in my post (or add 2 or 3).  And since we are talking about environments, the new shots focused on the track looked amazing. (see frontpage)[/quote]

I was quoting what the originally advertised.

[quote=Acert93]iirc FM2 initially mentioned 18 and it was cut to [url=http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/f/forzamotorsport2/default.htm]offically 12[/url] and has had a number of DLCs since that have increasd the number.
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45 tracks over 12 enviroments in the end...

so i guess its 45/12 = 4 avg so I guess we will be getting around 30 enviroments from 115 tracks in Forza 3.

The really great thing in Forza 3 is that the 3 variations of that single enviroment on the demo are completely different from each other unlike Forza 2 variations.

[quote=Optimusv2]Problems aside, Forza Motorsport 2 was and basically still is the best current gen racer of [b]any[/b] generation. At least until Forza 3 and the new GT show up that is :D[/quote]

Fixed :)

Optimusv2

Since 6908 Days

Haha, I hope gear shifting animations will be in for cockpit even though it was painfully obvious all people playing were going with assists and automatic.

I suspect the launch date is cutting it a bit close that they may not be able to get everything in.

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Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

Seeing it in motion on your HDTV, will blow your mind!!

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of the greatest books ever.

pssh! more like electronic g

Jin187

Since 6760 Days

Posted by Optimusv2

Haha, I hope gear shifting animations will be in for cockpit even though it was painfully obvious all people playing were going with assists and automatic.

I suspect the launch date is cutting it a bit close that they may not be able to get everything in.

I guess it depends on how early this demo build actually is.

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GriftGFX

Since 7016 Days

Even if they're using automatic, there should still be gear shifting animations, assuming there's not multiple cockpit models for every car.

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Jin187

Since 6760 Days

FM3 now supports a clutch!!

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-09-forza-moto...

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GriftGFX

Since 7016 Days

Too bad the wheel only has paddles.

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Optimusv2

Since 6908 Days

Posted by GriftGFX

Too bad the wheel only has paddles.

There is apparently a much newer wheel that they are advertising for Forza 3.

http://oxcgn.com/2009/06/02/fantec-porsche-911-tur...

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Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

Seeing it in motion on your HDTV, will blow your mind!!

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of the greatest books ever.

pssh! more like electronic g

Jin187

Since 6760 Days

Posted by GriftGFX

Too bad the wheel only has paddles.

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GriftGFX

Since 7016 Days

Hmm.. that's very cool. I'm not about to buy another wheel though :( I wish MS would release an add-on for the official wheel w/ a stick and new pedals. That would be awesome.

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LEBATO

Since 7138 Days

Ok with the track discussion settled, let's all just hope that number doesn't decrease as release nears just like it did before (among other things). In other words, let's hope it doesn't get downgraded over time.

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Optimusv2

Since 6908 Days

It may very well go down as they are on a tight schedule and supposedly not everything can make it in.

You see those incredible looking car models that you only see in the showroom type setting? Those were suppose to be the in-game car models, but they don't have the time to get them in and will get them in for next time. Pretty much, Turn 10 seems to be operating more like an EA dev these days only with a slightly longer turnaround than EA devs have for sports titles like Madden or Fifa.

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Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

Seeing it in motion on your HDTV, will blow your mind!!

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of the greatest books ever.

pssh! more like electronic g

Jin187

Since 6760 Days

Posted by Optimusv2

It may very well go down as they are on a tight schedule and supposedly not everything can make it in.

You see those incredible looking car models that you only see in the showroom type setting? Those were suppose to be the in-game car models, but they don't have the time to get them in and will get them in for next time. Pretty much, Turn 10 seems to be operating more like an EA dev these days only with a slightly longer turnaround than EA devs have for sports titles like Madden or Fifa.

True, but the last thing we want is another GT5 situation, 4 years and counting....

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Viginti_Tres

Since 6518 Days

The wheel costs half a fortune, 330 bucks. :/

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Optimusv2

Since 6908 Days

Posted by Viginti_Tres

The wheel costs half a fortune, 330 bucks. :/

Oh well that's out of the picture LOL.

Very true Jin and honestly EA isn't doing so bad a job these days. I would go as far as to say they've got a very impressive model working for them and should continue on that path.

Fifa 10 looks killer and we'll get a quick refresh of that series :D

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Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

Seeing it in motion on your HDTV, will blow your mind!!

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of the greatest books ever.

pssh! more like electronic g

Jin187

Since 6760 Days

More Screens....

The cars look so damn awesome and the sceneries are just Stunning!!

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Viginti_Tres

Since 6518 Days

And they have been on the news page of GS for quite some time already.;)

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Optimusv2

Since 6908 Days

Looking really good.

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Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

Seeing it in motion on your HDTV, will blow your mind!!

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of the greatest books ever.

pssh! more like electronic g

Acert93

Since 6987 Days

Are we still waiting for full-features previews of the game in regards to the game features?

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/990/990267p1.html

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Optimusv2

Since 6908 Days

I don't think we're getting one until the game is closer to release and they are absolutely sure they'll have it all in.

Supposedly they are playing with the possibility of sneaking in day/night cycles or whatever, but they don't want to find themselves in the position they were in last time where they mentioned all these things ahead of time and couldn't get them in for release.

That's the best available, but it's missing a lot of other details. I'm very happy about the career changes because a lot of the games I get, I'll hardly ever go online with them so I at least like the offline package to be something worthwhile.

Forza 3 is also a 2 disc title, at least that is what has been said.

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Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

Seeing it in motion on your HDTV, will blow your mind!!

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of the greatest books ever.

pssh! more like electronic g

LEBATO

Since 7138 Days

According to IGN, the GT trailer was all real time.....

"The fifth full title has been in production for a long, long time now, so the fact that we finally got to see the game in action was a great thing. The fact that the amazing footage was all realtime made it even more talked about. "

http://uk.psp.ign.com/articles/992/992045p1.html

The cars are definitely the in-game cars, but surely the added AA and effects make it look more impressive.

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