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deftangel
Since 6881 Days
Lebato is a very hard man to impress but that suits him just fine I imagine, each to their own :)

I've said enough times I don't think graphic comparisons with games like Gears of War, Bioshock etc are particularly valid given what each game is trying to achieve. Much like you wouldn't compare the cars in GTA to those in PGR.

Whether you are impressed by the graphics is one thing, subjective and all that. A comparison to Gears of War which has a very different art style, is focused on a different style of combat, doesn't support 4 player split screen or co-op, has a very linear environment built entirely around the streaming strengths of the engine ( i.e. lots of detail in small easily loadable but seperate chunks) and never has more than ten enemies on the screen is quite another.

I'm quite impressed with both in their different ways :)
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Myro
Myro
Since 6941 Days
Posted by LEBATO
I thought it would impress me in the graphics department, and it hasn't and probably won't. With Gears of War, Bioshock and Lost Planet out there.......it's incredibly hard to be even remotely impressed with what I'm seeing.





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RAZurrection
RAZurrection
Since 6885 Days
Posted by deftangel
doesn't support 4 player split screen or co-op,
Actually Gears does support split-screen co-op, especially impressive given at some points both players can seperate and the visuals still retain most of their visual fidlity.

IMO the closest thing Halo 3 is to, is Heavenly Sword, at least in terms of environment




Fortunately, HS scored well there.
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dcdelgado
dcdelgado
Since 6873 Days
GC 2007: Halo 3 - The Forge

http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/815/815041p2.ht...

Bungie shows off its map editor. Halo 3 just got a whole lot cooler.
The Forge isn't a map editor like you've seen in other games before. This editing tool doesn't allow you to warp the terrain or move major objects, those will stay just where Bungie put them. Rather, the Forge allows you to drop in any of the weapons, objects, vehicles, spawn points, or tools present in the Halo 3 world. If you think a map needs a flamethrower in a specific place and it's not there yet, the Forge will grant you your wish. If you want all of the spawn points for one team to be located within a small building, the Forge can make that happen. To keep things from overtaxing the memory, each map has a maximum amount of dollars that can be spent on it. Likewise, each object you can drop has a cost associated with it. A gun might cost $2 while a large vehicle up to $40.

The Forge is also a multiplayer game. Up to 8 players can hop into a Forge session at one time and fight on teams against each other. When you go into the editing mode, you become a monitor, just like Guilty Spark. You're still vulnerable in this state and can't attack, but you can drop or move any object you want. You can also delete objects the enemy has laid down. See that guy running towards a Warthog…whoops! No more Warthog. The currency limit on the map is shared between the two teams, according to Jarrard, making the rush to create objects for your team and delete them from others seriously intense.

We asked. You can't delete a vehicle while someone is in it. Nor can you delete a tail end of a series of warp nodes to trap opponents in limbo. But you can do some pretty cool things that might not initially be considered options. Dropping fusion coils from a large enough height will cause a nice explosion. Dragging a teleporter through the air as your teammates pop out of it (while the teleporter is carried over a wall!) can create a nice element of surprise. The options are essentially limitless. If things get too crazy, the party leader can limit the people who can edit the game to him or herself or leave it as global.

You can edit a lot more than just the weapon placement on maps. You can also edit the rules of the game to create custom game types. We know, you could do that in the original Halo: Combat Evolved. But not like this. You can edit just about every option imaginable. Gravity, scoring for each and every action, rules for status changes the leader gets, and a whole host of victory conditions are just a few of the options we saw as Brian Jarrard scrolled through the list. If you happen to create a particularly cool set of rules that everyone loves, Brian told us Bungie would likely add it to their global matchmaking lists.

You can even create your own custom power-ups. Want a power-up that gives you an overshield, turns your avatar blue, and makes you deal twice the normal amount of damage? You can make it and then drop it into one of your custom Forged levels. Damage and attack, gravity, speed, health regeneration, shield effects, duration and a whole lot more can be tweaked, stacked, and then packaged into one nice little power-up to use in the game.

Now, placing all of these weapons meticulously around a map and customizing the rules wouldn't be much fun if you couldn't share it. And since Halo 3 is aimed at those wanting fun, you can do just that. Just like sharing a movie, you can put one of your edited levels up for the world to see in your shared items slots. From there, the world has access to it in several different ways. Friends can just take a look at what you've got. They can also send your shared items to friends of theirs that you might not have in common, who can then pass it further along.

There are other ways to find content, too. On Bungie.net, you'll be able to find a list of "Bungie Recommends" content. The team will meticulously search for the best movies, edited levels, rule sets, and screenshots (when you save a screenshot from within a movie, it exports the image in a higher resolution than the game is displaying to both your hard drive and Bungie.net) to share with the world. They're also looking to include a voting system where shared materials can be made popular by the players themselves with the top vote getters getting the most exposure. Then, just like movies, you'll be able to flag rule sets and edited maps on Bungie.net to be automatically downloaded the next time you log on.
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"Oh I know what the ladies want ;)"
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dcdelgado
dcdelgado
Since 6873 Days
Danny Glover to play the Sarge in the Halo Movie!! ;p
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Phaethon360
Since 6859 Days
Posted by dcdelgado
Danny Glover to play the Sarge in the Halo Movie!! ;p
Samuel L. Jackson or bust.
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Phaethon, the forum Spectre.

deftangel - Hot stuff!
deftangel
Since 6881 Days
Posted by Phaethon360
Samuel L. Jackson or bust.
Samuel L Jackson, he's in everything
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dcdelgado
dcdelgado
Since 6873 Days
Posted by Phaethon360
Samuel L. Jackson or bust.
LOL
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Phaethon360
Since 6859 Days
Posted by deftangel
...he's in everything or bust!
Fixed!
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Optimusv2
Optimusv2
Since 6905 Days
Posted by LEBATO
I thought it would impress me in the graphics department, and it hasn't and probably won't. With Gears of War, Bioshock and Lost Planet out there.......it's incredibly hard to be even remotely impressed with what I'm seeing.
I think it looks MUCH better than gears of war, bioshock AND lost planet. Lighting, I wont criticize bioshock's art because its fantastic in its own way. Halo 3 artistically kills gears and lost planet though. Halo 3 is technically AND artistically superior to both gears of war and lost planet.

No environment in Gears of War looks as incredible as what I saw in Halo 3. The lighting in lost planet or gears is a joke in comparison. More impressive textures, shaders, reflections, shadows far more impressive. The amount of careful attention to the art alone in Halo 3 renders both gears and lost planet practical jokes in comparison. The only area Gears wins is in raw character poly count and detail.

Halo has better effects too. I don't know how one could look at the first IGN video or even the singleplayer montage and suggest gears and lost planet weren't destroyed by Halo 3.

Killzone beats Gears as well.

Looking at the way textures are done in Halo 3 and how they're in gears. Just no comparison Halo 3's are easily superior. Halo 3's environments have much more geometry as well.

The contrast from light to dark areas has to me never been as incredible as it appears in Halo 3. Shadows look downright awesome. Even the glass shader as simple as such a thing is looks incredible. Also I haven't seen another title with AF this good on the console.
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Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

October 20th 2007 (A good day)

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of the greatest books ever.

pssh! more like electronic gay-ming monthly! amirite

GrimThorne
GrimThorne
Since 6885 Days
Posted by Optimusv2
Also I haven't seen another title with AF this good on the console.
Don't say that too loud Optimusv2, there are many under the impression that the 360 can't perform AF
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Optimusv2
Optimusv2
Since 6905 Days
At 1:08 in Singleplayer montage (the hd version) I ignore the brute walking and shooting at ya and look WAYYYY in the back. Still incredibly sharp and looks stunning :)



Imagine him in a cutscene with that incredible lighting?
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Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

October 20th 2007 (A good day)

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of the greatest books ever.

pssh! more like electronic gay-ming monthly! amirite

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GriftGFX
Since 7013 Days
Posted by dcdelgado
GC 2007: Halo 3 - The Forge

http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/815/815041p2.ht...

Bungie shows off its map editor. Halo 3 just got a whole lot cooler.
Still not a map editor, but Forge did just get a whole lot cooler.. well.. it got cooler when Acert posted a story with simular details, but IGN still brings the goods.
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deftangel - Hot stuff!
deftangel
Since 6881 Days
Posted by Optimusv2
Imagine him in a cutscene with that incredible lighting?
Yes imagine Imagine if that image was from an actual cutscene!
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LEBATO
Since 7135 Days
Posted by Optimusv2
HUGE POST
Dude, you definitely got a bad copy of all those games.

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2007/151/9311...

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2006/332/9282...

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2007/231/revi...

And like deftangel said, all these games can't be directly compared, and I'm not doing that. Overall though, taking everything they do into consideration, they above three are more impressive than anything I've seen from H3.

It's not as bad as FM2's case, but come on, are we forgetting that trailer again? Oh wait that's right, you think it actually looks better now, right?

But I'll agree with you that lighting is really good. And for the record, it's not that it looks BAD, but it's impossible for me to be impressed after playing the mentioned games.
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Optimusv2
Optimusv2
Since 6905 Days
The gameplay footage looks wayyyyy better than the trailer.

If you're talking about the E3 07 trailer that is and the gameplay videos as we saw look better than even the E3 06 trailer except for the chief model in raw detail.

I think all those pictures do is reinforce my point Lebato. Halo 3 looks superior to all 3. Many areas in Lost Planet have really bad and generic art and it technically falls way short of Halo 3 as well as artistically. Gears of War... even worse. Halo 3 demolishes that game visually.

Bioshock looks fantastic, but again Halo 3 looks better than even that. Halo 3 graphically looks better than Mass Effect overall as well. You definitely have your opinion, but my opinion is that Halo 3 as of yesterday delivered a technical and visual beatdown on every single title in the 360 lineup. Many said it wouldn't even be the best looking 360 title this year, but I believe it is. I'm not saying this out of halo fanboyism or anything this is honestly what I believe.

The other games wont be bad or anything, but Bungie proved soundly they aren't as behind the graphical curve as some thought they were.
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Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

October 20th 2007 (A good day)

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of the greatest books ever.

pssh! more like electronic gay-ming monthly! amirite

Jin187
Jin187
Since 6757 Days
After watching the below montage, i can safely say, the only console FPS/TPS that stand up to Halo 3 visuals is COD4 and Killzone 2 but Halo3 has both those games beat with its sheer scale and enemy count.

http://uk.media.xbox360.ign.com/media/734/734817/v...

Lebato, your comments never seize to amaze me
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LEBATO
Since 7135 Days
Posted by Jin187
Lebato, your comments never seize to amaze me
The feeling is mutual Jin, don't worry.

Oh, and thanks for bringing in COD4.......that game.......well, pretty much poops on everything else.
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anm8rjp
anm8rjp
Since 7710 Days
Halo1 was one of my favorites on the original Xbox. With all the hype and having to "out do" Halo1, and it not "finishing the fight" in Halo2, Halo2 really let me down. Hopefully I won't experience more of the same on Halo3. I have faith, but Bungie doesn't get an automatic pass with me. I actually much prefer multiplayer system link halo1, to LIVE Halo2. I hope that Halo 3 gains some of the feel back from halo1. That Energy Sword kinda ruined it for me. Lot of big games to look forward to this Fall in the FPS arena... I'll be getting Orange Box, Halo3, & COD4, each very good in their own right I'm sure. Those screens that Myro posted are killer.
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Optimusv2
Optimusv2
Since 6905 Days
Posted by LEBATO
The feeling is mutual Jin, don't worry.

Oh, and thanks for bringing in COD4.......that game.......well, pretty much poops on everything else.
COD4 was bested by Halo 3 in pretty much all areas except for character detail and poly count + animation. Halo 3 wins everything else. COD4's lighting is good, but not nearly as good as Halo 3's. Halo 3 has much more scale, more enemies, 4 player co-op. Still amazed at how Bungie achieved such amazing visual fidelity on such an impressive scale. I've never seen a game receive as much attention to its art as Halo 3 appears to have. Tsavo Highway level is just fantastic.

I'm extremely surprised as to how Lebato isn't impressed. When bungie said "this is what Halo 3 is going to look like" they were right and the game now exceeds the environment showcased in that E3 06 demo greatly. I remember all the sections of the environment that still didn't receive any artistic attention.

I think Lebato is impressed, but doesn't want to admit he was wrong about Halo 3 graphically :)

I remember the mp comments you made. That it was wishful thinking that SP would look noticeably better than the MP. Well here we are months later looking at SP footage with the kind of visual fidelity nobody expected.
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Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

October 20th 2007 (A good day)

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of the greatest books ever.

pssh! more like electronic gay-ming monthly! amirite

Tronzilla
Tronzilla
Since 6983 Days
No more videos?
I would like to see the whole level.
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Optimusv2
Optimusv2
Since 6905 Days
I think they're showing us this level most because its the same level from E3 06 trailer and it surpasses the trailer =P
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Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

October 20th 2007 (A good day)

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of the greatest books ever.

pssh! more like electronic gay-ming monthly! amirite

Ronsauce
Ronsauce
Since 6998 Days
Posted by Optimusv2
Gears of War... even worse.
I really gotta say I disagree with how you keep trying to state that Gears of War isn't very good artistically. Maybe some of the environments are uninspired (though great looking at the same time) artistically, but I dig the exaggerated proportions of the characters and their consistency. The whole "space marine" thing actually felt fresh in Gears for me.
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