Just like GeoW bests Halo 3 in character poly count :| (Hint: GeoW characters are very low poly).Really? I did a long reply, but there is no point. CoD4 is 60fps and has excellent lighting and indirect light, great shadows and self shadows, nice normals, excellent particle effects and atmospherics, and so forth. It has a lot of detail and impressive foliage in many places (huge fields of full of grass, not just some patches).

I could get into it (again) but the point isn't to derail a Halo 3 thread.

The constant 1 up-ing of every title on the market by fans, in this case Halo fans, is annoying and old.You guys keep repeating this, but the actual footage doesn't show either. Halo 3 may have some huge areas -- but we haven't actually seen a battlefield span 3 or 4 miles with 50+ enemies and a dozen friendlies all on screen. So far the montage has "hop scotched" from pocket to pocket of scripted sandboxes.

Halo 3 may very well have these huge open vistas full of enemies, but we haven't seen them yet so using the PR speak of what is supposedly in there (versus what has been shown) to knock other games isn't really balanced.

As for scale, I think people are forgetting the helo sequence in CoD4 where you are on a Blackhawk with a dozen other blackhawks -- and how amazing the shadows look, cast on the world with amazing saturation and highlights, and the troops jumping out with spectacular con trails everywhere. CoD4 doesn't get beat down like some are suggesting -- and I have criticized parts of CoD4 a number of times, especially some of the drab, overcast/flat MP levels that look poor IMO.It all depends what one sees as "good versus impressed". I can think something looks good and not be impressed.

Halo 3 looks good, it doesn't look bad, and it is better than the craptastic beta. But fans are being unreasonable -- from calling 30fps footage 60fps to calling no AA "at least 2xAA and maybe 4xAA". Further they toss out technical comments with no clue and insist on putting Halo above every other game. And they are dwelling on PR comments about scale and size without even seeing them in footage, yet ignore similar PR from the other side of the fence.

Halo 3 looks very good imo, but has its own fair share of shortcomings. Their PRed indirect lighting model really seems to fall flat, enemies look very flat (above and beyond the "canon" design), grass often looks like flat sprites, shadows on dynamic objects could use a bit of work, texture resolution and normal resolution sometimes are pretty low, stuff like the warthog don't seem to leave track marks, animation is very weak, and so on.

It has its strengths as well: Color, water, god rays, HDR highlights, solid framerate and good MB...

But most importantly it looks like a complete SP experience with a CRAZY amount of features and quality packed in in terms of value.You take something subjective and belittle every other game made.

This is why people hate fans of any big franchise.

It isn't difficult for someone to point out the uninspired space marine ripoff from Doom, how the humans look like typical recycled sci-fi troopers, there is low selection of enemy styles which are mainly bipeds and with flat art design from 6 years ago, or any one of many other areas people could fairly comment on Bungies art. It doesn't make it bad -- but it surely doesn't stand out as the pinnacle of gaming style and innovation.

Liking art is a preferance thing; saying Bungie puts more into their art than anyone else is a big "rolleyes".

Doom Guy, Generic Space Marines, Space Aliens, and Zombies FTW!

Next-gen? Halo 3 is this gen Heretic, just like everything else from here on out.

I take it you're impressed though? It's hard to tell..

Hyperbole!!!11 A 360 launch title did that (Kameo).

Your quest, if Halo fans so choose to accept:

Halo 3 screenshots showing both a.) massive, epic battles in b.) in humongous open areas.

Am I missing these? I haven't seen ALL the media, so maybe I missed this. With all the talk about it, though, there has to be a SLEW of huge, epic battles in huge open vistas.

Where is the proof?

While I am waiting for Halo fans to take my challenge, here is something to nibble on:



Now back to my challenge...

That's sorta misleading, since there are other videos of Sandtrap in this thread.. not your fault though, that's what the video is called on GT.

Sandtrap seems awfully big for a 16 player map. The Elephant makes a ton of sense on that map, given the games other restrictions. Seems absolutely massive.

I'm sorry but that video sucked ass.... Really did they let a 2 year old play or what?
Although the level looks nice it didn't show off the amazing graphics :)

That's definitely Sandtrap.

It is massive, but like Snowbound, you can only go out so far before you get shot at/run into a minefield so it's not stupidly big. Easily the biggest Halo map ever, even just the playable area though.

Man I almost find that an insult to our intelligence.....
Never use an old game as proof or as insurance for the new one in the series....

Well that was really productive. So yeah, back to finding Single Player (SP, Campaign) shots of Halo 3 to back up all the drama of bashing other games over the head with, "Halo 3 has huge, epic battles with tons of enemies in humongous open areas".Btw, the Gamersyde media really rocks. I thought posting the ship went without saying :)

This was from a preview a month ago mostly so it's public domain but possibly a spoiler for some. Your mileage may vary!

Scarab battle . It's bigger than the Corpser from Gears and that was in a cave, not to mention that the Corpser had zero AI and there was one way to kill it. The Scarab will actually hunt you around all the land around which you are driving around trying to kill it. And then you still have to board it and take out the pilots!

Ditto. Even if you watched the E3 2007 trailer and paused a couple of scenes with the scarab, you would see a lot of allies on mongoose, two banshee fliers, a human hornet, and a ton of enemies on board that scarab itself.

All the GAFers and TXBers and Bungie.net'ers are downloading! I can't get no bandwith! I couldn't even download the torrent file!