Halo Reach

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I agree with Grift on this one, w/ sprint or evade it doesn't take much skill (i love how proud some people are of silly things like video game skills lol) to take out superior players as the hammer is such an easy to use weapon.

I'm far from a killing machine in Halo reach, but w/ the hammer i've done my share of killstreaking.

now bring on generator defense!!!

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Acert93

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Posté par RC_Master

A HUGE portion of the Halo 3 sandbox was basically unused or worthless.

Weapons:
Plasma pistol -better to have another weapon
Plasma Rifle -useless
Mauler - shotgun better, annoying weapon
Spiker - useless
Pistol - useless
SMG - useless
Needler - very specific, better to have another weapon
beam rifle - rarely used
carbine - rarely used, BR more plentiful easier to use.
bruteshot - rare, out of the way, close range only.

I am not going to pretend not to insult your gaming manhood... but RC, you were missing out if you never mastered the brutal Mauler+Melee combo. Jesting aside, the mauler, and dual maulers in particular, were insanely powerfull-hardly useless in the "sandbox" if you knew how to use it. No offense. The needler actually filled a nice role and the Covenant Carbine had a very high ROF and was extremely effective in skilled hands. Spikers were also quite nasty up close and often found in pairs in maps (i.e. dual wield). And in the context of the "sandbox" plasma pistols were one of the BEST weapons against vehicles.

So yeah, I pretty much disagree up and down! As for the "Rifles" the game made a lot of sense:

Butt of Gun (Melee) <> AR <> BR <> Sniper

In melee range the gun's butt rules. At AR's ideal ranges it really owned BRs--surprise two opponents up close from behind and an AR can score easy Ks. The BR was servicable up close and deadly if you got the first drop, but really excelled at skilled mid-to-long range encounters if patient players. The Sniper was ideal at long range and while usable at medium range you ran the risk of BR players constantly taking you out of your sights.

Each of the primary rifles had clean transitions and clear roles. The ranged combat of the game's primary guns was *common sense, knock on the head stupidly simple.*

As for calling it a sandbox... I love the term coinage but most Halo maps are more Quake/UT the sandbox ;) I know Bungie likes these kinds of terms but unless we are going to start calling MW and BF sandbox as well then I am not sure the term should be abused. If anything Halo games have been more Quake than Sandbox. I suggest Bungie call it the toybox as GTA owns the Sandbox (TM) name :P

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[quote=RC_Master]
A HUGE portion of the Halo 3 sandbox was basically unused or worthless.

Weapons:
Plasma pistol -better to have another weapon
Plasma Rifle -useless
Mauler - shotgun better, annoying weapon
Spiker - useless
Pistol - useless
SMG - useless
Needler - very specific, better to have another weapon
beam rifle - rarely used
carbine - rarely used, BR more plentiful easier to use.
bruteshot - rare, out of the way, close range only.[/quote]

So yeah, I pretty much disagree up and down! As for the "Rifles" the game made a lot of sense:

Butt of Gun (Melee) <> AR <> BR <> Sniper

In melee range the gun's butt rules. At AR's ideal ranges it really owned BRs--surprise two opponents up close from behind and an AR can score easy Ks. The BR was servicable up close and deadly if you got the first drop, but really excelled at skilled mid-to-long range encounters if patient players. The Sniper was ideal at long range and while usable at medium range you ran the risk of BR players constantly taking you out of your sights.

Each of the primary rifles had clean transitions and clear roles. The ranged combat of the game's primary guns was *common sense, knock on the head stupidly simple.*

As for calling it a sandbox... I love the term coinage but most Halo maps are more Quake/UT the sandbox ;) I know Bungie likes these kinds of terms but unless we are going to start calling MW and BF sandbox as well then I am not sure the term should be abused. If anything Halo games have been more Quake than Sandbox. I suggest Bungie call it the toybox as GTA owns the Sandbox (TM) name :P

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Ronsauce

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Posté par GriftGFX

That's nonsense. The grav hammer kills everything, skilled and unskilled players alike. With sprint (or evade), its even more effective than the sword.

Skilled players should be able to prevent unskilled players from getting hammer killstreaks. I don't see how that wouldn't be the case.

If it doesn't play out like that, then either the person with the hammer is skilled(if only in using the hammer), or the person/people getting killed aren't as skilled as they think.

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GriftGFX

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Yes, and the BFG was balanced too. I don't hate the hammer, but claiming it takes skill and strategy to get hammer sprees is just nonsense.

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Frozpot

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Posté par GriftGFX

Yes, and the BFG was balanced too. I don't hate the hammer, but claiming it takes skill and strategy to get hammer sprees is just nonsense.

I was really refering to killing the hammerer.

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Oooh, Profound, isn't it?

Ronsauce

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Posté par GriftGFX

Yes, and the BFG was balanced too.

Well that's great...?

I don't hate the hammer, but claiming it takes skill and strategy to get hammer sprees is just nonsense.

Against people who are half-decent, it does take some degree of skill.

The original quote was

I hate it when people get 20 kills in a game and 10-15 of them are with the hammer. You'll never see them get that amount of kills with the regular weapons, i.e: with actual skill.

If someone isn't good enough to get 10-15 kills with a regular weapon, chances are they aren't good enough to get that many hammer kills unless playing against chumps. To think otherwise is nonsense.

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ManThatYouFear

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Hating the hamme is just daft, if someone has it stay back from them, not like its a rocket launcher or something.

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GriftGFX

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Posté par Ronsauce

If someone isn't good enough to get 10-15 kills with a regular weapon, chances are they aren't good enough to get that many hammer kills unless playing against chumps. To think otherwise is nonsense.

No, it's really not. It's easy as hell to get 10+ kills with the hammer in one life. Stay out of open lines of sight against ranged weapons, sprint, jump, hammer. The end.

It doesn't take a tactical genius to figure that out. It's my third placed weapon in grab bag without even attempting to abuse it (behind the pistol and melee). The kills just get out of control when you're using it.

Posté par ManThatYouFear

Hating the hamme is just daft, if someone has it stay back from them, not like its a rocket launcher or something.

If you're smart enough to stay out of the line of fire (which doesn't take "skill") and to equip sprint with the hammer, you'll get far more kills with it than you would with the rocket launcher.

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deftangel

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I've always treated the Hammer as a power weapon and opposing players/teams should react accordingly. It's not impossible to counter, especially when fire is co-ordinated but it is difficult.

The range on the thing is massive though, I think that'll get tweaked.

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GriftGFX

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Posté par deftangel

I sorta hope it isn't :P I adore how OP it is. It's so much more effective than the hammer in Halo 3. Not only is the effective range better, but in Halo 3 the hammer has this tendency to push objects and people away without doing full damage. I never feel that in Halo Reach. When you combine the fact that it's just better by default with the fact that you can sprint jump or evade at your opponent, it becomes far, far more deadly than any melee weapon in Halo's history. The sword is great too, but the hammer is just better. The opposite was true in Halo 3.

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Frozpot

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The sword, shotgun, and hammer. All one hit weapons. They aren't that common though, so It's cool, IMO. It's like the rocket launcher- cheap-as-hell, but it is very fun when you take someone out who is weilding one, and when you get your hands on them.
I still hate the armor lock. It is just cheap...

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Oooh, Profound, isn't it?

GriftGFX

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I wouldn't put the shotgun in the same category as the sword and hammer. The shotty, as great as it is, is hardly a power weapon. It has ridiculously short range, and unlike the melee weapons, no lunge.

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Frozpot

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Yeah, it takes much more timing, but that thing can really be a pain. Heh, makes me think of this match where this guy was raping us with the sniper rifle, so I threw on a jet pack and made it my mission to make sure he lost it. It was an interesting cat and mouse of us hunting each other over and over. I quite enjoyed it, and it helped my team to keep it out of his hands for any lengthy period of time :D...

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ManThatYouFear

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Shotgun i hate, its more to do with bandwidth than the skills of the player

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Frozpot

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Lag has been my bane on many a game :(...

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GriftGFX

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Posté par ManThatYouFear

Shotgun i hate, its more to do with bandwidth than the skills of the player

How does latency give you any more of an advantage/disadvantage with the shotgun than any other weapon?

I have a feeling you're just reiterating the Gears of War hipshot crying without actually thinking about what you're talking about.

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deftangel

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Shotgun was definitely affected by latency in previous Halo games. Isn't it hitscan now though?

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GriftGFX

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Posté par deftangel

Shotgun was definitely affected by latency in previous Halo games. Isn't it hitscan now though?

Everything is affected by latency, but my point is, latency aside, what's going to beat the shotgun at point blank range? The only time I could imagine it coming directly into play is when you're playing a game where everyone has shotguns, and thankfully it's a pretty limited weapon.

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deftangel

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Posté par GriftGFX

Ah, I see. I love all shotgun games! But I take your point. In previous games mind, a melee would sometimes kill me when using the shotgun though it was rare. Should be rarer now, in theory.

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GriftGFX

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Yea, shotty only games are fun :) Covy Shotguns would be a blast.

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deftangel

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Posté par GriftGFX

Yea, shotty only games are fun :) Covy Shotguns would be a blast.

I can just imagine the bitching about evade in that game! It's be like Gears all over again! :)

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Frozpot

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Man Spartans vs Elites Slayer is a Friggin' Blast. Very challenging if you are a Spartan, but it is definitely more balanced than I expected! When does Generator defense go up? I dying to get my eyes on Overlook...

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Is this new map out yet?

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Damn, I had forgotten you could transfer grenades through those elevate beam thingies. Helps me get rid of those annoying beam-campers... :)

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Viginti_Tres

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With all the concerns I have about the competitive side of Reach, it's still a very entertaining game. It's actually more fun than any Halo I played before. But only Invasion/Grab Bag is really enjoyable. Had a whole evening with 2 friends sitting on the same console. I was amazed how quickly they could pick it up and play well. That alone will be the reason to buy it. Both of them were sceptical and really enjoyed it in the end.

That said, I'm really not feeling the Arena. I'm almost always put into a terrible team and then it's up to me to rack up more kills than my team mates can give them. Sometimes it's just impossible, because the opponents would camp on Sword Base with sniper/shotgun/sword on the top floor, or have complete map control on Powerhouse. And even if I do get a ton of kills is stresses me when I'm playing a team game, but I'm on my own anyway.

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