How can you say that a bloody iPod does "so much more"? What does an iPod do that the Vita doesn't? I fully expect the vita to be able to play video and music, i fully expect it to have a better library of games in general, it certainly has better controls than the freaking iPod and i wouldn't be surprised if the screen is larger too.

Why would i ever buy gas? I dont have a drivers license, i dont have a car. You cant just assume that because its not for you there is no market at all. Im guessing kids between maybe 12 and 17 are the more likely players of a vita. They get it for christmas or their birth day and they can play it at school with their friends.

Also isnt the 3ds doing well? Didnt it sell better than the original ds by this point in the lifespan of the console?

to be fair, a phones a fucking phone, you can stick them overpriced smart phones up your arse... "BUT APPZ!"....useless and waste of time.

Yeah i think people are playing wiht their phones becasue you know, you need a phone and the apps and games are just icing on the cake. How many people do you see buying a tablet as a dedicated gaming machine?

As for value per dollar i think my console games win as well. Demon's Souls. at least 120 hours, that's less than a dollar per hour, the only game on my iphone i think i played more than an hour was probably Game Dev Story. Tekken 6, at least 250-300 hours on my copy alone (and i play a lot at my friends house as well), def less than a dollar per hour of entertainment (or raging, depending on how you see it).

The problem with "apps" imo is thatyo buy them play for a few minutes and then just never touch them again. There are a handful of titles that i've spent more than just a few minutes on. Fruit Ninja, Game Dev and Sword &Poker is pretty much it so far as iphone games go for me. Fruit Ninja on the toilet, Game Dev because it was genuinely fun and Sword & poker while commuting :P

this. ios or android games are so popular not becasue they offer better, more meaningfull experience, but because they work well with tho "i've got 5 minutes to burn while waiting for a bus" situations. ask me what i'd chose as a gamer, and i'd pick a propper handheld every time. hell, i have an ipad2 and i dont think i've clocked more then an hour across all the games i bought for it. they just dont have enough substance and those that do (dead space) control like complete shit since it doesnt have buttons. they're basically the equivilent of the mini's on the PS3. sure they can be fun little distractions, but i have never returned to one after that initial try after i've downloaded it. why? becasue they simply cannot compete with the likes of retail releases or even arcade releases. you pay more for them, but you get more from them. a phone will never be a gameing platform imo. it'll be a phone with games on it, just like they always have been.

Kinda sad to hear about sub native resolution and lack of AA, I can only guess and say that some of the tiles were rushed and will be polished further for the North American launch (especially Uncharted).

Also 256 MB ram reserved for OS = fail.

The day buttons and sticks fold out like on the Xperia play, or we get tactile feedback on screen, on every phone i could imagine them taking over the hand held market but not before then. A touch interface only works with a rather slim array of games/genres, and even in those genres where it'd work great we haven't seen many serious attempts. Where are all teh awesome point and click type adventure games? Where is my goddamn civilisation for android/ios? Those types of games would work well on a touch device, but to my knowledge we have a port of monkey island and some shitty casual games and that's about it :P

Single account is not good. They also need to have youtube app which is possible is near future but otherwise it looks sweet machine. This guy did some videos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=by17MSRUM4s&context=C36a8f05ADOEgsToPDskJ3kvI6kGToJlAfrXlfyMeg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgqZPBCFJY0&context=C30351ffADOEgsToPDskIuZBa5NxSlGDaSA25Xunpf
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrqGiQ5ZYWc&context=C395f923ADOEgsToPDskLRwfQoGGrqHgfh-IkDshVZ

Hmm, is there another PS Vita thread?

So i ended up picking one up, i know i shouldn't as the game catalog is limited and if nintendo is anything to go by, in 6 months it will be 100 bux cheaper...

But worst comes to worst i can return it for dead pixels or something...

Impressions:

Hardware is AAA, solid feel, polished joints, good feel in the hand, im not worried to drop it even when held with one hand. Played for 2 strait hours and IT DID NOT HEAT UP! considering the power in there, that's impressive.

Screen is top notch, oled is the way to go, and sony actually tried to balance the colors so they're not overly saturated like say, samsung galaxy sii (which i have, and is also based on oled tech) if you bring it to about 10 inches you will notice the pixels, but WHY would you hold it that close, very uncomfortable at that distance...

Qualms, the 2 analog sticks are small, they feel high quality, but if you have big thumbs, man, they feel really small.

DO NOT BUY uncharted, quite frankly, i tried ALL the demos, and NONE of the games yet are worth buying, they all have a rushed/port feel about them. And uncharted just plain sucks compared to the PS3 versions.

The OS is simple and fast, so good stuff there. Allows for some multitasking, mostly in the form of notifications.

It either DOES NOT, or I COULD NOT get it to work in portrait mode, which is too bad, cos that could make better use of its touchscreen for web browsing...

If sony wasn't run by dinosaurs, they would stick the PS Vita guts in tablets to both cut costs and to make awesome tablets, this thing has more horsepower than ANY tablet/smartphone i tried, and i just tried the new quadcore Transformer...

Sony makes good to great products, but no gamechangers, i returned my NEX 5n because it simply did not give me 800 worth of pictures (great camera, crappy controls and SHIT lenses), and the PS Vita is NOT worth 300 worth of gaming right now. i got a 4 gig mem card for 20 bux, WTF, they couldnt even package that in every box!?

I will keep fiddling with it for another week, but I think i will wait for a price drop or a refresh... At the same time, it feels really nice in the hand, and the screen is gorgeous... because the colors are quite balanced, it looks nicer than the Nexus despite a lower resolution.

This system has probably the most versatile controls after mouse and keyboard. I picture turn based strategy games on it working flawlessly, like xcom, civ, baldurs gate. platformers will be a joy. Add portrait mode and browsing/email will also work on it quite well

PS just tested, and you can play while charging it, i know that should be a given, but who knows, you would also think this being sony, the 2 cameras on the ps vita wouldn't suck, well they do, feels like the initial cellphone cameras of 2005

couldnt dissagree more about uncharted. but then i've played the entire game and it EASILY trumped that of the first game on PS3. it lacks the set-piece centric nature of U2 and 3, but it was closer to that approach then uncharted 1 was and as a result comes across as a much better product, great platforming, great controls, great combat, and a narrative and voice work that easily matches that of the home console bretheran (something i was dubious about). best game i've played on the vita alongside wipeout both in looks and gameplay and so far well worth the asking price of the device itself (alongside motorstorm RC and lumines)

Isn't that the max Battery life? ;)

Hmm, speaking from the demo, the touch controls in uncharted are poorly implemented, the back panel touch would break flow less than the front panel touchscreen.

Technically the uncharted dialog sounds nice, BUT, its silly, drake keeps saying stuff that you should figure out just by playing, I always hated it when games spoon feed you information as if you're a 5 year old.

But I guess we have both sides of the coin, I'm not a fan of Uncharted and you are :P

250 + memory card for a system that does not have a must buy AA game yet is steep, the 3ds is 150 with 1-2 games bundled. But price perception is personal, and it's normal for sony to perform market layering and try to get as much profit at different price points.

I strongly believe in the PSV, I just think the system can vastly improve. But the back panel touch controls, gyroscope and dual analog should make it amazing once devs start thinking PSV from the ground up.

Hehehe, to be honest, i browsed the menus for about 3 hours, had it download demos for an hour and played for 2, all on the initial battery charge, and wifi was always on. I think its decent, I admit, Im more of a casual gamer, and once in a while ill play a game all weekend if i really like it, so battery seems fine to me.

I payed 242 and i got an 8 gig card, and a AAA game (uncharted) included. Then i bought wipeout, which i'd easily consider one of the better handheld racers i've played...period (i also get the future expansion for free since i already own HD fury on the PS3). To each his own i guess. I consider it great value for money, and even this early into it's life it's already offered more then enough to warrent the price. Knowing LBP, gravity rush, unit 13 and resistance are just around the corner make it all the more appealing.

Well at that price i would be enticed also... Way better bundle than anything ive seen here...

Yeah, there is a lot coming to it, I just think if i wait a few months I can probably save an additional 50 bux easily. Which would cover the 3 year warranty (which i did get ever since my x360 experience)

Uncharted on PSV is NOT AA.. AA, or AAA or gamechanger.. Must be a game that gets everything right both technically and gameplay.

Then again, i am very strict on AA badge, 1 or 2 games per year seem worthy IMO

LBP PSV looks AA. great graphics, refined gameplay with the PSV controls, use of front and back touchpanel to improve gameplay, not as a gimmick.

Hey, I play the crap outta angry birds and sudoku on my phone...while I'm on the John...

LOL that's what lysols are for, to remove any evidence of dirty deeds... :P

On a new note, just started the Rayman demo on the Vita, WOW, really really plesant, brought back memories of rayman 1 on pc, my favorite all time platformer.

AAA is and always will be a measure of budget. Nothing more. And uncharted GA is AAA. Is it a system seller? To me and most people, yes, but If you never liked uncharted, then no, it wont be. Halo was considered a system seller for the origianl xbox, but for me, it was jet set radio future that sold the system to me. Mario is considered a system seller, but for me, it was the metroid prime trilogy that got me to buy a wii. It's all subjective. Uncharted is definately a AAA title tho.

Angry Birds is quite addicting. I would totally play it at the shitter if I could.

Ok, if you think of it that way, sure I guess, to me AA has to be quality, and reviewers seem to agree that this version of uncharted is just trying to milk the IP... Anyhow as i said, we got both sides of the coin on this one. And if you're talking budget, this version of uncharted is not even naughty dog, i don't think you outsource AAA...

The PSV is definitely charming. As an added bonus, it will help market OLED tvs.

The visuals alone show a lot of time and MONEY was put into the game. Naughty dog or not. Tracy henig was involved as story supervisor, Both nate and sully reprising their roles, the voice acting is easily on-par with the best the series has seen, characters are fleshed out and interesting (i actually prefer chase to elena) it's not some short throwaway experience, hell, it took me longer to complete it then the first uncharted. It's AAA based on the actual definition of the term. If your definition is different, then i dont know what to tell you?