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Since 7127 Days

Posted by Viginti_Tres

So yeah, I called it! If you can actually bump your hype down a few notches it'll still be a great game. ;)

lol, wtf kind of shit is that?

I can't believe it. Now a race like that is sure going to look awkward, and now I understand how 16 cars on track would be possible, lol. They also have 20 tracks. Just think of this whole deal for a minute, and any objective mind will realize there is no way in hell that is excusable after about 5 years in development. I'm sure they also imported the vacuum recording from GT4 right?

Really, this just gives Turn 10 that much more credit, bravo to those guys. And don't get me wrong, I love the things PD has brought, but I'd rather take the 2 (and a half?) incredible games that we got from T10 in the same amount of time. I like the time PD has put into the dust/smoke, the lighting, and day/night transition.......but the cost is way too high, and ultimately it's not a total game changer. I also like the premium cars, but FM3 has arguably the same level of quality cars in terms of modeling (sadly not to full spec during the actual gameplay).

I mean, where has time gone exactly? Is there an out of the ordinary feature here? Am I missing something?

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[quote=Viginti_Tres]So yeah, [url=http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=398721]I called it[/url]! If you can actually bump your hype down a few notches it'll still be a great game. ;)[/quote]
lol, wtf kind of shit is that?  
[img]http://imgur.com/KCOCw.jpg[/img]

I can't believe it.  Now a race like that is sure going to look awkward, and now I understand how 16 cars on track would be possible, lol.  They also have 20 tracks.  Just think of this whole deal for a minute, and any objective mind will realize there is no way in hell that is excusable after about 5 years in development.  I'm sure they also imported the vacuum recording from GT4 right?

Really, this just gives Turn 10 that much more credit, bravo to those guys.  And don't get me wrong, I love the things PD has brought, but I'd rather take the 2 (and a half?) incredible games that we got from T10 in the same amount of time.  I like the time PD has put into the dust/smoke, the lighting, and day/night transition.......but the cost is way too high, and ultimately it's not a total game changer.  I also like the premium cars, but FM3 has arguably the same level of quality cars in terms of modeling (sadly not to full spec during the actual gameplay).

I mean, where has time gone exactly?  Is there an out of the ordinary feature here?  Am I missing something?

Mods, stop changing my SIG! I'm going to end up banning you!

Jin187

Since 6749 Days

Those standard cars look awful, seriously this is like some kind of joke! The difference between premium and standard is like an entire generation. I actually cant believe that they have imported and simply up-scaled GT4 cars to be used in GT5! The worst thing about this is that most of those premium cars are Rally cars, there will probably only be less than 100 premium production cars in the whole game.

I actually think there are premium tracks and standard tracks too, I've always thought that GT5 nurb had been imported from GT4 and just upscalled. It would certainly explain the extreme inconsistency in the environments. I really wouldn't be surprised if the premium cars had premium physics too.

Almost 6 years to create this is pretty embarrassing, welcome to GT4.5

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scoobs0688

Since 5640 Days

Posted by Jin187

Those standard cars look awful, seriously this is like some kind of joke! The difference between premium and standard is like an entire generation. I actually cant believe that they have imported and simply up-scaled GT4 cars to be used in GT5! The worst thing about this is that most of those premium cars are Rally cars, there will probably only be less than 100 premium production cars in the whole game.

I actually think there are premium tracks and standard tracks too, I've always thought that GT5 nurb had been imported from GT4 and just upscalled. It would certainly explain the extreme inconsistency in the environments. I really wouldn't be surprised if the premium cars had premium physics too.

Almost 6 years to create this is pretty embarrassing, welcome to GT4.5

oh quit it, this is a full game.

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LEBATO

Since 7127 Days

Posted by Jin187

Those standard cars look awful, seriously this is like some kind of joke! The difference between premium and standard is like an entire generation. I actually cant believe that they have imported and simply up-scaled GT4 cars to be used in GT5! The worst thing about this is that most of those premium cars are Rally cars, there will probably only be less than 100 premium production cars in the whole game.

I actually think there are premium tracks and standard tracks too, I've always thought that GT5 nurb had been imported from GT4 and just upscalled. It would certainly explain the extreme inconsistency in the environments. I really wouldn't be surprised if the premium cars had premium physics too.

Almost 6 years to create this is pretty embarrassing, welcome to GT4.5

What I find to be the funniest, it's Kazunori. This guy is a plain hypocrite, talking out of his ass to make his game look better--much like Greenawalt mind you. He always says he doesn't want to do x or y because they wouldn't be able to do it to GT standards. Well those standards sure are double standards.

And just to clear something. I've read some crazy stuff in other forums saying that standard cars look as good as anything else out there, and on par/better than Forza 3 cars. I just have to laugh at those comments. *ANY* car from PGR3, the codemaster games, and pretty much any other racing game this gen looks better than a standard car in GT.

What sort of "saves the day" for these cars in GT is how much of a drastic difference the GT lighting makes. Still, an ugly nose is an ugly nose, even if the makeup is perfect.

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[quote=Jin187]Those standard cars look awful, seriously this is like some kind of joke! The difference between premium and standard is like an entire generation. I actually cant believe that they have imported and simply up-scaled GT4 cars to be used in GT5! The worst thing about this is that most of those premium cars are Rally cars, there will probably only be less than 100 premium production cars in the whole game.

I actually think there are premium tracks and standard tracks too, I've always thought that GT5 nurb had been imported from GT4 and just upscalled. It would certainly explain the extreme inconsistency in the environments. I really wouldn't be surprised if the premium cars had premium physics too.

Almost 6 years to create this is pretty embarrassing, welcome to GT4.5[/quote]
What I find to be the funniest, it's Kazunori.  This guy is a plain hypocrite, talking out of his ass to make his game look better--much like Greenawalt mind you.  He always says he doesn't want to do x or y because they wouldn't be able to do it to GT standards.  Well those standards sure are double standards.

And just to clear something.  I've read some crazy stuff in other forums saying that standard cars look as good as anything else out there, and on par/better than Forza 3 cars.  I just have to laugh at those comments.  *ANY* car from PGR3, the codemaster games, and pretty much any other racing game this gen looks better than a standard car in GT.

What sort of "saves the day" for these cars in GT is how much of a drastic difference the GT lighting makes.  Still, an ugly nose is an ugly nose, even if the makeup is perfect.

Mods, stop changing my SIG! I'm going to end up banning you!

Jin187

Since 6749 Days

Posted by LEBATO

What I find to be the funniest, it's Kazunori. This guy is a plain hypocrite, talking out of his ass to make his game look better--much like Greenawalt mind you. He always says he doesn't want to do x or y because they wouldn't be able to do it to GT standards. Well those standards sure are double standards.

And just to clear something. I've read some crazy stuff in other forums saying that standard cars look as good as anything else out there, and on par/better than Forza 3 cars. I just have to laugh at those comments. *ANY* car from PGR3, the codemaster games, and pretty much any other racing game this gen looks better than a standard car in GT.

What sort of "saves the day" for these cars in GT is how much of a drastic difference the GT lighting makes. Still, an ugly nose is an ugly nose, even if the makeup is perfect.

The lighting sublime lighting engine definitely makes things a little easier on the eyes.

I too have heard some of the craziest fanboy comments on those Gaf forums, how they can look at that pic above and see those drawn on headlights then say it looks nice is totally beyond me!??

EDIT:

I've just watched the standard car video and to my amazement, they have imported the engine noises from GT4 too... wow...

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[quote=LEBATO]
What I find to be the funniest, it's Kazunori.  This guy is a plain hypocrite, talking out of his ass to make his game look better--much like Greenawalt mind you.  He always says he doesn't want to do x or y because they wouldn't be able to do it to GT standards.  Well those standards sure are double standards.

And just to clear something.  I've read some crazy stuff in other forums saying that standard cars look as good as anything else out there, and on par/better than Forza 3 cars.  I just have to laugh at those comments.  *ANY* car from PGR3, the codemaster games, and pretty much any other racing game this gen looks better than a standard car in GT.

What sort of "saves the day" for these cars in GT is how much of a drastic difference the GT lighting makes.  Still, an ugly nose is an ugly nose, even if the makeup is perfect.[/quote]

The lighting sublime lighting engine definitely makes things a little easier on the eyes.

I too have heard some of the craziest fanboy comments on those Gaf forums, how they can look at that pic above and see those drawn on headlights then say it looks nice is totally beyond me!??

EDIT:

I've just watched the standard car video and to my amazement, they have imported the engine noises from GT4 too... wow...

Frozpot

Since 6764 Days

Posted by Jin187

I've just watched the standard car video and to my amazement, they have imported the engine noises from GT4 too... wow...

Where did you see the vid?

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Oooh, Profound, isn't it?

Jin187

Since 6749 Days

Posted by Frozpot

Where did you see the vid?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8v7hjaSr6c&feature...

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abcgamer

Since 5783 Days

Yep standard models will exceed Forza3. Because that game is a farce in gfx and physics
http://kotaku.com/5374211/but-does-forza-3-look-different-from-forza-2/gallery/

There is uncertainty about standard cars. Suzuki swift sport in GT5P has cockpit and look this good. Is this going to be premium among the 200+ cars ? Because it is not high end car and looked great
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGfkaOZppuA

May be that will not be premium and all standard cars will be this good ? But nobody knows that.

Premium cars are totally another level though lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=746uWpjd85w

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Frozpot

Since 6764 Days

OH my... the cars DO benifit greatly from the engines lighting and shaders, though. Still, that is quite disappointing. I wonder if it has an effect on the physics....

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Oooh, Profound, isn't it?

Viginti_Tres

Since 6507 Days

Posted by abcgamer

Yep standard models will exceed Forza3. Because that game is a farce in gfx and physics
http://kotaku.com/5374211/but-does-forza-3-look-different-from-forza-2/gallery/

You're so insecure it's not even funny.

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LEBATO

Since 7127 Days

Posted by abcgamer

Yep standard models will exceed Forza3. Because that game is a farce in gfx and physics
http://kotaku.com/5374211/but-does-forza-3-look-different-from-forza-2/gallery/

Oh ok, let me write that down so I don't forget.

There is uncertainty about standard cars. Suzuki swift sport in GT5P has cockpit and look this good. Is this going to be premium among the 200+ cars ? Because it is not high end car and looked great
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGfkaOZppuA

May be that will not be premium and all standard cars will be this good ? But nobody knows that.

I don't know, couldn't tell from that video, but one thing is certain, if it has textures for headlights, it is a standard car. That's step 1 of the flow chart for those who have "trouble" deciding whether a car is a standard or premium or the visually challenged.

The only certain thing is that standard cars are using basically PS2 level wireframes, and levels of details......in high def.

Posted by Jin187

EDIT:
I've just watched the standard car video and to my amazement, they have imported the engine noises from GT4 too... wow...

Yeah, the V8 American Muscle cars sounding like a 4 cylinder honda accord.

You know, I read comments saying that now, all of a sudden, "I don't even play with so many cars", and "I will only play with the premiums anyways". I just thought that was a bit strange.

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[quote=abcgamer]Yep standard models will exceed Forza3. Because that game is a farce in gfx and physics
[url]http://kotaku.com/5374211/but-does-forza-3-look-different-from-forza-2/gallery/[/url]
[/quote]
Oh ok, let me write that down so I don't forget.

[quote]
There is uncertainty about standard cars. Suzuki swift sport in GT5P has cockpit and look this good. Is this going to be premium among the 200+ cars ? Because it is not high end car and looked great 
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGfkaOZppuA[/url]

May be that will not be premium and all standard cars will be this good ? But nobody knows that.
[/quote]
I don't know, couldn't tell from that video, but one thing is certain, if it has textures for headlights, it is a standard car.  That's step 1 of the flow chart for those who have "trouble" deciding whether a car is a standard or premium or the visually challenged.

The only certain thing is that standard cars are using basically PS2 level wireframes, and levels of details......in high def.

[quote=Jin187]
EDIT: 
I've just watched the standard car video and to my amazement, they have imported the engine noises from GT4 too... wow...[/quote]
Yeah, the V8 American Muscle cars sounding like a 4 cylinder honda accord.

You know, I read comments saying that now, all of a sudden, "I don't even play with so many cars", and "I will only play with the premiums anyways".  I just thought that was a bit strange.

Mods, stop changing my SIG! I'm going to end up banning you!

LEBATO

Since 7127 Days

Posted by Frozpot

I wonder if it has an effect on the physics....

Yeah who knows, don't ask abcgamer though, but if audio is any indication........

I also read on the GT site:
"* Damage is not necessarily applied to all races in the game."

Whatever that means. Not only is stuff all inconsistent throughout, does this mean we'll be playing a race with damage, and then for some arbitrary reason, no damage on the next race? I don't know, I just want premium trees.

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abcgamer

Since 5783 Days

Posted by LEBATO

Yeah, the V8 American Muscle cars sounding like a 4 cylinder honda accord.

You know, I read comments saying that now, all of a sudden, "I don't even play with so many cars", and "I will only play with the premiums anyways". I just thought that was a bit strange.

Visually Challenged are those who still cannot figure out that GT5P was already miles ahead in gfx than cartoon looking game with sad cockpit view
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4m4rrLqbQw

Also how many and what cars will be premium and standard cars is still unknown.

Here is HD version of standard cars so people right know are just guessing:
http://cdn2.gran-turismo.com/jp/common/data2/movie/20100616_e3/gt5_standardcars.mov

They may not have standard cars with premium in a same race IF the difference is huge. Because premium cars will look too good. WRC, nascar, super GT and other supercar and sport car should be premium models

Posted by Viginti_Tres

You're so insecure it's not even funny.

lol. There are some 200+ premium cars. The most accurate models cars in video games. I guess they will make sure most people fav cars comes in that category.

Little older video of ZR1 at Nurburgring GP track cam video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeqaEeqciQI

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[quote=LEBATO]
Yeah, the V8 American Muscle cars sounding like a 4 cylinder honda accord.

You know, I read comments saying that now, all of a sudden, "I don't even play with so many cars", and "I will only play with the premiums anyways".  I just thought that was a bit strange.[/quote]

Visually Challenged are those who still cannot figure out that GT5P was already miles ahead in gfx than cartoon looking game with sad cockpit view
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4m4rrLqbQw[/url]

Also how many and what cars will be premium and standard cars is still unknown.

Here is HD version of standard cars so people right know are just guessing:
[url]http://cdn2.gran-turismo.com/jp/common/data2/movie/20100616_e3/gt5_standardcars.mov[/url]

They may not have standard cars with premium in a same race IF the difference is huge. Because premium cars will look too good. WRC, nascar, super GT and other supercar and sport car should be premium models

[quote=Viginti_Tres]

You're so insecure it's not even funny.[/quote]

lol. There are some 200+ premium cars. The most accurate models cars in video games. I guess they will make sure most people fav cars comes in that category.

Little older video of ZR1 at Nurburgring GP track cam video.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeqaEeqciQI[/url]

Jin187

Since 6749 Days

Posted by LEBATO

I also read on the GT site:
"* Damage is not necessarily applied to all races in the game."

Whatever that means. Not only is stuff all inconsistent throughout, does this mean we'll be playing a race with damage, and then for some arbitrary reason, no damage on the next race? I don't know, I just want premium trees.

What the hell is going on with this game??? Seriously, what have they been doing? The more i see/hear about this game, the more disappointing it really is turning out to be.

Posted by abcgamer

??????????????

You should head over to NeoGaf, all your friends are there :)

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LEBATO

Since 7127 Days

Posted by abcgamer

Visually Challenged are those who still cannot figure out that GT5P was already miles ahead in gfx than cartoon looking game with sad cockpit view
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4m4rrLqbQw

Damn, I need to get up to date with all these news I'm getting.

Also how many and what cars will be premium and standard cars is still unknown.

Simple, 800+ will be standard, 200+ will be premium, who cares about specifics.

Here is HD version of standard cars so people right know are just guessing:
http://cdn2.gran-turismo.com/jp/common/data2/movie...

That really isn't going to help.

They may not have standard cars with premium in a same race IF the difference is huge. Because premium cars will look too good. WRC, nascar, super GT and other supercar and sport car should be premium models

Not only would that make this whole thing even more inconsistent, what's your source? I can already guess.

lol. There are some 200+ premium cars. The most accurate models cars in video games. I guess they will make sure most people fav cars comes in that category.

I don't think anyone is criticizing premium cars.

Little older video of ZR1 at Nurburgring GP track cam video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeqaEeqciQI

Oh......thanks for sharing, here's one from Forza 3 I guess, GT1 cockpit. This one is also a little old.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kFa1iiKGIw#t=00m40...

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[quote=abcgamer]

Visually Challenged are those who still cannot figure out that GT5P was already miles ahead in gfx than cartoon looking game with sad cockpit view
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4m4rrLqbQw
[/quote]
Damn, I need to get up to date with all these news I'm getting.

[quote]
Also how many and what cars will be premium and standard cars is still unknown.
[/quote]
Simple, 800+ will be standard, 200+ will be premium, who cares about specifics.

[quote]
Here is HD version of standard cars so people right know are just guessing:
http://cdn2.gran-turismo.com/jp/common/data2/movie/20100616_e3/gt5_standardcars.mov
[/quote]
That really isn't going to help.

[quote]
[b]They may not have standard cars with premium in a same race IF the difference is huge.[/b] Because premium cars will look too good. WRC, nascar, super GT and other supercar and sport car should be premium models
[/quote]
Not only would that make this whole thing even more inconsistent, what's your source?  I can already guess.

[quote]
lol. There are some 200+ premium cars. The most accurate models cars in video games. I guess they will make sure most people fav cars comes in that category.
[/quote]
I don't think anyone is criticizing premium cars.

[quote]
Little older video of ZR1 at Nurburgring GP track cam video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeqaEeqciQI 
[/quote]
Oh......thanks for sharing, here's one from Forza 3 I guess, GT1 cockpit.  This one is also a little old.  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kFa1iiKGIw#t=00m40s

Mods, stop changing my SIG! I'm going to end up banning you!

abcgamer

Since 5783 Days

^^ That Nurburring is joke. It is forza nurburing and the cockpit is meh. Why did you bother posting that ? btw that ZR1 at Nurburgring GP track was standard physics

I know they as of now they said 200+premium and 800+ standard. I want to know are all cars in GT5P considered as premium or standard. Cars like Swift, VW golf and so on if it is going to be in GT5 they can use those improved model of those ... I think premium would only be nascar, wrc, super gt, mercedes amg, bmw m power, ferraris, lambo, and so on ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VXJ_rXgzTc

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Frozpot

Since 6764 Days

I'm sure those updated cars in GT5p will be in there, I see no reason for them not to be. The question is, are those actually considered premium?

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Oooh, Profound, isn't it?

Viginti_Tres

Since 6507 Days

It's easy: Everything with a full interior is considered premium, everything else is standard. Standard cars have GT4 level models, limited visual damage and as of now, no cockpit view. That makes the Swift and Golf premium cars.

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abcgamer

Since 5783 Days

That is what everyone thinking right now because in expense of swift they cannot or should not miss other high end car which people will like to drive more lol.

Also the direct port from GT4 PS2 is misleading. Because it is like playing 2 games with the amount of difference in premium and standard so big ? I think they will bridge that gap.

Good video bad driving
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSfvfkXO8CY

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Nietzsche

Since 6358 Days

Wait, so only the premium cars in GT5 have cockpit view and interior??? WTF???

I just thought the premium cars had more detailed graphics and more damage. If there are that many cars w/out cockpit view this game just fell pretty far down on my hype meter. almost six fucking years and this?

between the constant delays and now the vast majority of cars not having cockpit view i'm starting to get very frustrated.

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LEBATO

Since 7127 Days

Posted by abcgamer

^^ That Nurburring is joke. It is forza nurburing and the cockpit is meh. Why did you bother posting that ? btw that ZR1 at Nurburgring GP track was standard physics

I don't know why I did that, I'm embarrassed right now.

I know they as of now they said 200+premium and 800+ standard. I want to know are all cars in GT5P considered as premium or standard.

Look
[/quote]
Look it's easy. Are the headlights a texture? Do the cars look polygonal as hell? Do they not have any hint of an interior whatsoever? Does it look out of place in 2005 - 2010?

If you answered yes to any of those questions, it's an standard car dude. I don't know why you have to complicate stuff.

Posted by Nietzsche

Wait, so only the premium cars in GT5 have cockpit view and interior??? WTF???

Yes, but it's ok, it's only a near generational leap between cars.....it's not like two generations apart or something.

I just thought the premium cars had more detailed graphics and more damage. If there are that many cars w/out cockpit view this game just fell pretty far down on my hype meter. almost six fucking years and this?

For this, I really want to see where the time went too. Was it the tracks? No, they've only got about 20--not a bad number, don't get me wrong, but not for 6 years, not with the looks of most of what we've seen.

between the constant delays and now the vast majority of cars not having cockpit view i'm starting to get very frustrated.

I'll be buying this game, but now I'm thinking wait for a price drop.

What bothers me the most about this whole premium vs standard fiasco is what other developers might do. I really don't want this to become a trend, but I can sense this being contagious.

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[quote=abcgamer]^^ That Nurburring is joke. It is forza nurburing and the cockpit is meh. [b]Why did you bother posting that ?[/b] btw that ZR1 at Nurburgring GP track was standard physics
[/quote]
I don't know why I did that, I'm embarrassed right now.

[quote]
I know they as of now they said 200+premium and 800+ standard. I want to know are all cars in GT5P considered as premium or standard.  [/quote]
Look
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Look it's easy.  Are the headlights a texture?  Do the cars look polygonal as hell?  Do they not have any hint of an interior whatsoever?  Does it look out of place in 2005 - 2010?

If you answered yes to any of those questions, it's an standard car dude.  I don't know why you have to complicate stuff.

[quote=Nietzsche]Wait, so only the premium cars in GT5 have cockpit view and interior??? WTF???
[/quote]
Yes, but it's ok, it's only a near generational leap between cars.....it's not like two generations apart or something.

[quote]
I just thought the premium cars had more detailed graphics and more damage. If there are that many cars w/out cockpit view this game just fell pretty far down on my hype meter. almost six fucking years and this?
[/quote]
For this, I really want to see where the time went too.  Was it the tracks?  No, they've only got about 20--not a bad number, don't get me wrong, but not for 6 years, not with the looks of most of what we've seen.

[quote]
between the constant delays and now the vast majority of cars not having cockpit view i'm starting to get very frustrated.[/quote]
I'll be buying this game, but now I'm thinking wait for a price drop.

What bothers me the most about this whole premium vs standard fiasco is what other developers might do.  I really don't want this to become a trend, but I can sense this being contagious.

Mods, stop changing my SIG! I'm going to end up banning you!

vspectra06

Since 7712 Days

what the hell is this BS. They couldn't just outsource?

And I knew weather was still up in the air. I'll maybe consider buying the game if they have weather, but other than that i'll be waiting for a price drop as well.

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abcgamer

Since 5783 Days

16 gorgeous cars on track. This game looks too good
http://e3.gamespot.com/video/6266497/?hd=1

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LEBATO

Since 7127 Days

Posted by abcgamer

16 gorgeous cars on track. This game looks too good
http://e3.gamespot.com/video/6266497/?hd=1

lol, that guy's shirt is awesome. Go Lakers!

As for the video, as much I hate the standard car crap, I got to give credit where it's due. Honestly, that replay with the NSX is just wow. Seriously, when the environment is not in view, it simply looks incredible. I also gotta give credit to the fact they are running 16 premium cars on track at once (is it all tracks though? lol, you never it's GT). You can clearly tell those Japanese series cars are all premium for example. AND let's just reiterate the jaw-dropping replays, just classy.

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LEBATO

Since 7127 Days

LOL, I've been reading the GTPlanet news comments, and there are so many fans in denial. They take the smallest nonsense thing to: believe there's some cars in between standard and premium, and they are somehow better, lol. I've also seen others conclude out of nowhere that standard cars will have a cockpit because........really only because that's what they hope for. It's sad really.

EDIT: I'm also now reading 50 standard tracks, wtf? Where did that come from? I wonder if that's just more denial or if there's something to believe such a thing? I've seen it listed by a couple different persons already.

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