Halo3: The Thread

Since 6957 Days

your not showing your opinion, i could easily link someone elses opinion for everything on the net, hell i could link some one saying your a twat, and not just based on what you put in here, from what you put in all topics on this site.

But the fact is it is a great story IMO and to be honest in a selfish way i dont care what others think i enyjoyed it and thats all that matters

plus only about 12% of this thread has been about reviews, rest is just us lot bitching.

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My comments on this game/machine been good or bad does not mean i like/hate the machine i am not a fan nor a hater, just i have a opinion and wish to share it.

mt_sabao

Since 6445 Days

Posted by ManThatYouFear

your not showing your opinion, i could easily link someone elses opinion for everything on the net, hell i could link some one saying your a twat, and not just based on what you put in here, from what you put in all topics on this site.

But the fact is it is a great story IMO and to be honest in a selfish way i dont care what others think i enyjoyed it and thats all that matters

talk about emotional attachment ...

but hei dude, listen i stated this before, i more than respect that you enjoyed it, that's the all point isn't?
but can you see the difference between saying "i enjoyed it alot" and "its the best story ever written!"?

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szaromir

Since 6770 Days

Posted by mt_sabao

but can you see the difference between saying "i enjoyed it alot" and "its the best story ever written!"?

He didn't say anything like that. You'd better stop using hyperboles and carefully selected quotes to prove your "facts".

As for now I don't agree or disagree with anyone, I'll play the game tomorrow. Though I have to say opening cutscene is not overwhelming.

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"That just happened 'cause that was awesome" - Randy Pitchford, Gearbox

deftangel

Since 6882 Days

Biggest battle;- Scarab battle at the end of the sixth mission? End of level seven might be bigger (two scarabs!) but the lead up to this part of the sixth mission was EPIC to me.

Edge will have given Halo 3 a ten on the back of Saved Films and Forge. If the SP and MP are 9/10 games in their own right (and I think they are) then these two features are enough to put it over the edge.

This might not make a lot of sense now but wait a year to see what people are doing with it and this will become apparent IMO. The disparate parts of Halo 3 have been equaled in other games but it's the whole package tied together with a platform for facilitating and sharing user-generated content easily which hasn't.

This is the biggest game of the year, it'll get the biggest sales and have the biggest community and together with that, you now have all of those people easily able to share screens, games, films, etc. No matter that you could do it on PC before, you've just placed the biggest game of the year completely in the hands of the masses that buy it to do what they will.

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Biggest battle;- [spoiler]Scarab battle at the end of the sixth mission? End of level seven might be bigger (two scarabs!) but the lead up to this part of the sixth mission was EPIC to me.[/spoiler]

Edge will have given Halo 3 a ten on the back of Saved Films and Forge. If the SP and MP are 9/10 games in their own right (and I think they are) then these two features are enough to put it over the edge.

This might not make a lot of sense now but wait a year to see what people are doing with it and this will become apparent IMO. The disparate parts of Halo 3 have been equaled in other games but it's the whole package tied together with a platform for facilitating [i]and sharing[/i] user-generated content [i]easily[/i] which hasn't.

This is the biggest game of the year, it'll get the biggest sales and have the biggest community and together with that, you now have all of those people easily able to share screens, games, films, etc. No matter that you could do it on PC before, you've just placed the biggest game of the year completely in the hands of the masses that buy it to do what they will.

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mt_sabao

Since 6445 Days

Posted by szaromir

He didn't say anything like that. You'd better stop using hyperboles and carefully selected quotes to prove your "facts".

As for now I don't agree or disagree with anyone, I'll play the game tomorrow. Though I have to say opening cutscene is not overwhelming.

jesus christ, hard to maintain a discussion over here, uh? Why should i better stop using hyperboles, is it not a rethoric tool as any other?

And also, i'm not proving any facts, just stating my opinion which is a lot of people cannot emotionaly detach and cannot see the difference between their own opinion and the reality.
It's human nature. People have hard time seeing negative points about their family, their football club, their political party, their country etc etc etc.

I am only looking at this mass hysteria phenomenon from a cynical point of view. i'm going to play the game and i am going to have loads of fun, i'm sure of that. but (from what i've seen so far) i doubt i'll be saying its the best thing ever.

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[quote=szaromir]

He didn't say anything like that. You'd better stop using hyperboles and carefully selected quotes to prove your "facts".

As for now I don't agree or disagree with anyone, I'll play the game tomorrow. Though I have to say opening cutscene is not overwhelming.[/quote]

jesus christ, hard to maintain a discussion over here, uh? Why should i better stop using hyperboles, is it not a rethoric tool as any other?

And also, i'm not proving any facts, just stating my opinion which is a lot of people cannot emotionaly detach and cannot see the difference between their own opinion and the reality.
It's human nature. People have hard time seeing negative points about their family, their football club, their political party, their country etc etc etc.

I am only looking at this mass hysteria phenomenon from a cynical point of view. i'm going to play the game and i am going to have loads of fun, i'm sure of that. but (from what i've seen so far) i doubt i'll be saying its the best thing ever.

dcdelgado

Since 6874 Days

"Best thing ever"

For you no, for me no, but for millions of other gamers YES!!!, and therein lies the problem, just because someone says this is the best game ever for them dose not mean it has to be the best game ever for you, and going off and finding all the negative comments you can from reviews is not helping your case at all, because for every negative comment you find there 20 positives comments from reputable gaming sites, that would shoot it down. So instead of trying to deflate ManThatYouFear excitement for the game, by picking at his comments, why not WAIT till you actually play the game, then you can tell us what you liked and disliked.

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Bitches!!

mt_sabao

Since 6445 Days

Posted by dcdelgado

"Best thing ever"

For you no, for me no, but for millions of other gamers YES!!!, and therein lies the problem, just because someone says this is the best game ever for them dose not mean it has to be the best game ever for you, and going off and finding all the negative comments you can from reviews is not helping your case at all, because for every negative comment you find there 20 positives comments from reputable gaming sites, that would shoot it down. So instead of trying to deflate ManThatYouFear excitement for the game, by picking at his comments, why not WAIT till you actually play the game, then you can tell us what you liked and disliked.

yeah you are definitely right, i'm just trying dissect this question too much. its just that i find it a interesting phenomenon. anyways...

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Acert93

Since 6985 Days

Posted by deftangel

Biggest battle;- Scarab battle at the end of the sixth mission? End of level seven might be bigger (two scarabs!) but the lead up to this part of the sixth mission was EPIC to me.

Any numbers kind sir?

Edge will have given Halo 3 a ten on the back of Saved Films and Forge. If the SP and MP are 9/10 games in their own right (and I think they are) then these two features are enough to put it over the edge.

Yep. Lets call the SP/MP combo a 9.0 for arguements sake. Theater, Forge, and 4 player Coop (with meta scoring) along with Bungie.net record keeping is more than enough to push the title up a notch.

The game isn't perfect, and the core game may be the most flawed "10" ever. But as time goes on the "fun factor" and relevance of those "extras" practically create a totally new "category" in a game: Single Player Campaign, Competitive Multiplayer, and Social-player.

The disparate parts of Halo 3 have been equaled in other games but it's the whole package tied together with a platform for facilitating and sharing user-generated content easily which hasn't.

And that is what I am thinking. You read my mini-rant on the topic I am sure (no soup for Gamersyde posters!) so I see we are on the same page. Halo 3's core is Halo, which pleases the 8M fans. It is how the game has been extended outside the game the core mechanics that is disruptive.

Oddly, re-watching the Halo 2 E3 2003 demo where MC dual wields, uses turrets, knocks the pilot out of the Banshee, etc and as little as Halo 2 (with Live) changed from Halo 1 (which did vehicles, 2 weapon limit, insta-nades, rebounding shield, Coop, System Link and 16 players, etc) which Halo 1 is by far the most progressive step in console FPS games EVER.

It is absolutely time for Halo "Proper" to end. Halo 4: Rebirth of Combat Evolved and Halo: Worlds at War should be expected to make HUGE steps in gameplay and design. Halo 3 only gets a pass due to the story arch "refinement" and the emphasis on Social-gaming.

Until those new games come out I know we will see a mass of MP maps... lets hope they do some REALLY cool Coop DLC as well. I could imagine holding a little base in a valley and being SWARMED with baddies as they flood down the hills. As time goes on you get MORE of them with better armor.

Make it meta scoring, and have records on Bungie.net. :)

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[quote=deftangel]Biggest battle;- [spoiler]Scarab battle at the end of the sixth mission? End of level seven might be bigger (two scarabs!) but the lead up to this part of the sixth mission was EPIC to me.[/spoiler][/quote]

Any numbers kind sir?

[quote]Edge will have given Halo 3 a ten on the back of Saved Films and Forge. If the SP and MP are 9/10 games in their own right (and I think they are) then these two features are enough to put it over the edge.[/quote]

Yep. Lets call the SP/MP combo a 9.0 for arguements sake. Theater, Forge, and 4 player Coop (with meta scoring) along with Bungie.net record keeping is more than enough to push the title up a notch.

The game isn't perfect, and the core game may be the most flawed "10" ever. But as time goes on the "fun factor" and relevance of those "extras" practically create a totally new "category" in a game: Single Player Campaign, Competitive Multiplayer, and Social-player.

[quote]The disparate parts of Halo 3 have been equaled in other games but it's the whole package tied together with a platform for facilitating [i]and sharing[/i] user-generated content [i]easily[/i] which hasn't.[/quote]

And that is what I am thinking. You read my mini-rant on the topic I am sure (no soup for Gamersyde posters!) so I see we are on the same page. Halo 3's core is Halo, which pleases the 8M fans. It is how the game has been extended outside the game the core mechanics that is disruptive.

Oddly, re-watching the Halo 2 E3 2003 demo where MC dual wields, uses turrets, knocks the pilot out of the Banshee, etc and as little as Halo 2 (with Live) changed from Halo 1 (which did vehicles, 2 weapon limit, insta-nades, rebounding shield, Coop, System Link and 16 players, etc) which Halo 1 is by far the most progressive step in console FPS games EVER.

It is absolutely time for Halo "Proper" to end. Halo 4: Rebirth of Combat Evolved and Halo: Worlds at War should be expected to make HUGE steps in gameplay and design. Halo 3 only gets a pass due to the story arch "refinement" and the emphasis on Social-gaming.

Until those new games come out I know we will see a mass of MP maps... lets hope they do some REALLY cool Coop DLC as well. I could imagine holding a little base in a valley and being SWARMED with baddies as they flood down the hills. As time goes on you get MORE of them with better armor.

Make it meta scoring, and have records on Bungie.net. :)

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Jollipop

Since 6897 Days

Halo 4 ?

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joe_h

Since 6646 Days

"The game isn't perfect"

Show me on single game that is? There isn't one.

"jesus christ, hard to maintain a discussion over here, uh? Why should i better stop using hyperboles, is it not a rethoric tool as any other?"

Because he doesn't want to be challenged. He wants his rantings to be taken as fact. He wants to piss and moan(which is about all he does) about a game he hasn't even played. Of course, him playing the game won't matter, because he'd never admit he was wrong anyway.

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LEBATO

Since 7136 Days

lol @ Edge giving the game a 10......I thought they were harsh?

With those graphics alone, I wouldn't give it a 10. So I'm not going to talk about the usual stuff we discussed during development, there are other things that make me go "WTF?"

Facial animations are downright AWFUL, a disgrace, a MESS. A couple of days ago I brought up Half Life 2 to contrast, but man, no need for that, that's just overkill. The animation used here looks ancient.......

.......wait a minute, did anyone else besides me see the freaking marines? Especially their heads? WTF is that? At times it looks like they are infected by the flood. They really don't stick out that much from all the aliens. They are the most horrible things I have seen in quite a while. It's like the artists totally failed here. Their eyes look especially offending, makes you wonder if you are playing a low budget game.

And I still haven't finished the game, but these immense draw distance they talked about really isn't. Not only is it not that big, it really isn't there! They might as well have used a picture considering we can walk a few meters until we get blocked by an invisible wall, we fall to our death down below, or we find this huge rock blocking our way. And what about the pop in? In the ~2 or so level, the first time you get to use vehicles, did anyone else not notice the horrible pop in of the patches of grass? Was I the only one who saw lasers being shot in the distance by NO ONE? And I'm not talking about the ships "miles" away, I'm talking about a few meters ahead (let's say 40) where a brute is supposed to be using the plasma cannon but I'm not close enough for him to be drawn. Considering I have been shooting enemies from a mile away since Far Cry came out, this stuff is highly disappointing.

Pelican animations in somewhat "tight" spaces is bad too, looks like they are lagging but no, I'm not playing online. I wonder how challenging can it be do get that right if it's just a damn scripted event! Shadowing during gameplay is just basic, and let's not forget about the lack of AA.

So I'll just sum up by saying that first trailer we saw was way off from being achieved. The only thing that came close to it is the lighting. And well, the lighting is pretty damn awesome throughout the game, especially dark areas......see, I can't deny it when things are done right.

As for everything else? I still think it's a great game, but no way a perfect ten, and no way in hell more than a 9 in graphics. Like Grift says, it's still linear, story telling is "OK" thus far (can't say much, not done yet), sound is really great ignoring the little hitches here and there, battles are always great, AI is really fun, physics are more exaggerated than in Halo 2, in return we get more grunts flying huge distances like in Halo 1, and aside from the great lighting, plasma guns's effects look really great too :D

Men, I was all over the place with that post, but whatever. That's my opinion so far.

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lol @ Edge giving the game a 10......I thought they were harsh?

With those graphics alone, I wouldn't give it a 10.  So I'm not going to talk about the usual stuff we discussed during development, there are other things that make me go "WTF?"

Facial animations are downright AWFUL, a disgrace, a MESS.  A couple of days ago I brought up Half Life 2 to contrast, but man, no need for that, that's just overkill. The animation used here looks ancient.......

.......wait a minute, did anyone else besides me see the freaking marines?  Especially their heads?  WTF is that?  At times it looks like they are infected by the flood.   They really don't stick out that much from all the aliens.  They are the most horrible things I have seen in quite a while.  It's like the artists totally failed here.  Their eyes look especially offending, makes you wonder if you are playing a low budget game.

And I still haven't finished the game, but these immense draw distance they talked about really isn't.  Not only is it not that big, it really isn't there!  They might as well have used a picture considering we can walk a few meters until we get blocked by an invisible wall, we fall to our death down below, or we find this huge rock blocking our way.  And what about the pop in?  In the ~2 or so level, the first time you get to use vehicles, did anyone else not notice the horrible pop in of the patches of grass?  Was I the only one who saw lasers being shot in the distance by NO ONE?  And I'm not talking about the ships "miles" away, I'm talking about a few meters ahead (let's say 40) where a brute is supposed to be using the plasma cannon but I'm not close enough for him to be drawn.  Considering I have been shooting enemies from a mile away since Far Cry came out, this stuff is highly disappointing.

Pelican animations in somewhat "tight" spaces is bad too, looks like they are lagging but no, I'm not playing online.  I wonder how challenging can it be do get that right if it's just a damn scripted event!  Shadowing during gameplay is just basic, and let's not forget about the lack of AA.

So I'll just sum up by saying that first trailer we saw was way off from being achieved.  The only thing that came close to it is the lighting.  And well, the lighting is pretty damn awesome throughout the game, especially dark areas......see, I can't deny it when things are done right.

As for everything else?  I still think it's a great game, but no way a perfect ten, and no way in hell more than a 9 in graphics.  Like Grift says, it's still linear, story telling is "OK" thus far (can't say much, not done yet), sound is really great ignoring the little hitches here and there, battles are always great, AI is really fun, physics are more exaggerated than in Halo 2, in return we get more grunts flying huge distances like in Halo 1, and aside from the great lighting, plasma guns's effects look really great too :D

Men, I was all over the place with that post, but whatever.  That's my opinion so far.

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Jollipop

Since 6897 Days

Well like i said back at TGS05 if you thought they would live up to that trailer then you were fooling yourself.

People should have learnt by now that if it looks too good to be true, there is a reason for that.

I actually quite like Halo 3 all in all, graphically its nothing special, but it does the job, and to be honest it's time people stopped rating games by their graphics, gameplay is where its at.

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Acert93

Since 6985 Days

Posted by Jollipop

Well like i said back at TGS05 if you thought they would live up to that trailer then you were fooling yourself.

Already been discussed (use google.com with site:gamersyde.com) and yes, Halo 3 does look like that trailer (sans AA). The technology and assets are actually all the same. The difference being the photo-getic angles and perfectly placed spotlights. We already seeing some killer screenshots from gamers when they position the camera how they want. Go back and look at the VidDoc of the Halo 3 E3 2006 trailer--the angles NOT from the trailer look pretty average, just like the game can.

Any game with a robust lighting and shadowing engine can, with proper camera work, create some stunning shots. A game with a flatter lighting engine won't be as dramatic.

People should have learnt by now that if it looks too good to be true, there is a reason for that.

So what was the E3 trailer?

[qote]graphically its nothing special[/quote]

Lets define "nothing special".

but it does the job, and to be honest it's time people stopped rating games by their graphics, gameplay is where its at.

I can agree here in most cases. As long as graphics don't hinder the gameplay they are little factor. They should get rated as an item of interest, but IMO a game with average graphics that "do the job" and "average sound" and such, but has revolutionary gameplay that is really solid and a lot of fun is still a "10" in my book.

Then again there are games (mostly those based off of reality) that do demand amazing graphics. An ugly car game with licensed cars just won't do. But I would argue that such a game fails in regards to the graphics not supporting the goal of the game. But if they added complete damage modelling and was clean, well, the tilt could go the other way ;)

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[quote=Jollipop]Well like i said back at TGS05 if you thought they would live up to that trailer then you were fooling yourself.[/quote]

Already been discussed (use google.com with site:gamersyde.com) and yes, Halo 3 does look like that trailer (sans AA). The technology and assets are actually all the same. The difference being the photo-getic angles and perfectly placed spotlights. We already seeing some killer screenshots from gamers when they position the camera how they want. Go back and look at the VidDoc of the Halo 3 E3 2006 trailer--the angles NOT from the trailer look pretty average, just like the game can.

Any game with a robust lighting and shadowing engine can, with proper camera work, create some stunning shots. A game with a flatter lighting engine won't be as dramatic.

[quote]People should have learnt by now that if it looks too good to be true, there is a reason for that.[/quote]

So what was the E3 trailer?

[qote]graphically its nothing special[/quote]

Lets define "nothing special".

[quote]but it does the job, and to be honest it's time people stopped rating games by their graphics, gameplay is where its at.[/quote]

I can agree here in most cases. As long as graphics don't hinder the gameplay they are little factor. They should get rated as an item of interest, but IMO a game with average graphics that "do the job" and "average sound" and such, but has revolutionary gameplay that is really solid and a lot of fun is still a "10" in my book.

Then again there are games (mostly those based off of reality) that do demand amazing graphics. An ugly car game with licensed cars just won't do. But I would argue that such a game fails in regards to the graphics not supporting the goal of the game. But if they added complete damage modelling and was clean, well, the tilt could go the other way ;)

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mt_sabao

Since 6445 Days

Posted by Acert93

revolutionary gameplay

define revolutionary gameplay?

(we can go on and on forever with the discussion here...)

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Jollipop

Since 6897 Days

Already been discussed (use google.com with site:gamersyde.com) and yes, Halo 3 does look like that trailer (sans AA). The technology and assets are actually all the same. The difference being the photo-getic angles and perfectly placed spotlights. We already seeing some killer screenshots from gamers when they position the camera how they want. Go back and look at the VidDoc of the Halo 3 E3 2006 trailer--the angles NOT from the trailer look pretty average, just like the game can.

Well I disagree, but if thats how you see it, thats good :)

Lets define "nothing special".

Well as much as I prefer the Art style to Halo, I still think Gears puts it to shame, graphically, Halo is a better game though IMO, much more fun anyway.

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mt_sabao

Since 6445 Days

Posted by Acert93

They should get rated as an item of interest, but IMO a game with average graphics that "do the job" and "average sound" and such, but has revolutionary gameplay that is really solid and a lot of fun is still a "10" in my book.

Let me refresh your memory. In July, you were saying:

Posted by Acert93

Personally I expect more after 3 years from a flagship 1st party title.

Posted by Acert93

for me innovation in, especially in a genre FULL of quality games, sequals, spinoffs, and evolution, is important.

Considering the Fall 2007 lineup, which has a lot of high quality games trying new concepts, design implimentations, technologies and gameplay ideas I am personally not satisfied with any "flagship" title relying on a 6 year old game design concept. Switching to a 3rd person camera for big weapons and some new vehicles and weapon balance changes -- this could have all been done on the Xbox.

Posted by Acert93

Halo 3 hasn't shown any innovation (it may or may not have it, but Bungie has shown zero, zilch, nadda)

Posted by Acert93

and the 3 year development cycle of Halo 3 MP has shown essentially little progress in gameplay.

Posted by Acert93

Are they [the fans] happy, and willing to praise as the "best ever" a Halo 3 MP that is Halo 2 all over again??

Care to elaborate on what you found so revolutionary in these two days of play you had with the game?

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[quote=Acert93]They should get rated as an item of interest, but IMO a game with average graphics that "do the job" and "average sound" and such, but has [b]revolutionary gameplay[/b] that is really solid and a lot of fun is still a "10" in my book. [/quote]

Let me refresh your memory. In July, you were saying:

[quote=Acert93]Personally I expect more after 3 years from a flagship 1st party title.[/quote]

[quote=Acert93]for me innovation in, especially in a genre FULL of quality games, sequals, spinoffs, and evolution, is important.

Considering the Fall 2007 lineup, which has a lot of high quality games trying new concepts, design implimentations, technologies and gameplay ideas [b]I am personally not satisfied with any "flagship" title relying on a 6 year old game design [/b]concept. Switching to a 3rd person camera for big weapons and some new vehicles and weapon balance changes -- this could have all been done on the Xbox.[/quote]

[quote=Acert93]
Halo 3 hasn't shown any innovation (it may or may not have it, but Bungie has shown zero, zilch, nadda)
[/quote]

[quote=Acert93]
and the 3 year development cycle of Halo 3 MP has shown essentially [b]little progress in gameplay.[/b]
[/quote]

[quote=Acert93]
Are they [the fans] happy, and willing to praise as the "best ever" [b]a Halo 3 MP that is Halo 2 all over again[/b]??
[/quote]

Care to elaborate on what you found so revolutionary in these two days of play you had with the game?

GriftGFX

Since 7014 Days

Posted by mt_sabao

Oh, and since when showing a different oppinion than yours is considering trolling by the way?

ManThatYouFear you do this so much that you need to defend that behaviour in your signature.. so why don't you chill out. I haven't followed his history here but if there is one I promise to keep an eye on it, but he does bring up some valid points here and there.. and I'm not just saying that because he agreed with me :P

I agree that it's ridiculous to praise a games story base on novels written by third parties about the game. It's a good story and external material enhances that experience but that's never even a consideration in a review.

re: revolutionary gameplay

I wouldn't call the gameplay, or any given component in ANY Halo game revolutionary.. but like Halo 2 and Halo 1 before it, the package of all of these concepts thrown into one console game is sorta revolutionary.

I'm not sure that I would agree with the concept that Forge and Saved Films make this game a 10.. but it does certainly extend on the already awesome focus on a balanced MP games.

Can we finally admit that MP is the real meat of this franchise?

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[quote=mt_sabao]Oh, and since when showing a different oppinion than yours is considering trolling by the way?[/quote]

ManThatYouFear you do this so much that you need to defend that behaviour in your signature.. so why don't you chill out.  I haven't followed his history here but if there is one I promise to keep an eye on it, but he does bring up some valid points here and there.. and I'm not just saying that because he agreed with me :P

I agree that it's ridiculous to praise a games story base on novels written by third parties about the game.  It's a good story and external material enhances that experience but that's never even a consideration in a review.

re: revolutionary gameplay

I wouldn't call the gameplay, or any given component in ANY Halo game revolutionary.. but like Halo 2 and Halo 1 before it, the package of all of these concepts thrown into one console game is sorta revolutionary.

I'm not sure that I would agree with the concept that Forge and Saved Films make this game a 10.. but it does certainly extend on the already awesome focus on a balanced MP games.

Can we finally admit that MP is the real meat of this franchise?

Jin187

Since 6758 Days

Just Finished the EPIC fight on Legendary Co-op, it took 12hrs 42mins of glorious entertainment. It has eaten up all the hype and exceeded it, its beyond my expectations. Never in my life have I enjoyed a game this much, the level design, art, archictecture, structure and scale of the worlds puts every other game to shame.

The visuals really are incredible, the best i've seen on console games being realeased this year(You realise just how fantastic this game looks when you enter the film mode and zoom into to soo much intricate detail...just wow), oh and the music... oh the music... wow!

Halo 3 reminded me of the reason I love computer games, it oozes so much greatness, from start to finish. For me, this is not only the best in the trilogy, Its the greatest game ever made.

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Greatest game ever made...

Believe.

Acert93

Since 6985 Days

Posted by mt_sabao

define revolutionary gameplay?

I never said Halo 3 had revolutionary gameplay. Since you didn't comprehend what I said the first time, I will paste it below to refresh your memory:

They should get rated as an item of interest, but IMO a game with average graphics that "do the job" and "average sound" and such, but has revolutionary gameplay that is really solid and a lot of fun is still a "10" in my book.

All that effort of yours... wasted. Nice try though!

Care to elaborate on what you found so revolutionary in these two days of play you had with the game?

Care to elaborate why you spent more time trying to "catch me" than reading what I actually wrote?

Some of you are sooo predictable :|

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Acert93

Since 6985 Days

Posted by Jollipop

Well I disagree, but if thats how you see it, thats good :)

Not really an opinion. The E3 trailer and vid docs are what we got. If you expected the gameplay to look like a cinema with perfect lighting every inch of the game, well... :|

Of course I wasn't thrilled with the videodoc and have thought a lot of the screenies have been lacking, so seeing the game in motion and comparing it to the vid docs as well as the cinemas to the trailer and technically (all I really care about) is that Bungie didn't lie for the most part. Some resolution and fidelity issues, but the core technology is there.

The E3 trailer was realtime AND using the Halo 3 engine.

Being upset (or happy) because they didn't (or did) "live up" to the visual punch is pretty subjective. I won't argue with you there. But Bungie did deliver on the technology without a major downgrade. There is no debate there.

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mt_sabao

Since 6445 Days

i'm sorry but Acert93, you're definitely the master of rhetoric manipulation and you find yourself above the rest of the people here at this forum.
As far as i remember this is the halo thread,
and then

Posted by Lebato

lol @ Edge giving the game [HALO] a 10

and you, replying to lebato's review

Posted by Acert93

a game with average graphics that "do the job" and "average sound" and such, but has revolutionary gameplay that is really solid and a lot of fun is still a "10" in my book.

So i would only guess that you are referring to HALO 3. You are very eloquent, and most of the times i truly appreciate your posts but quit being so full of yourself and at least try to be coherent, and justify this huge change of position regarding HALO.

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LEBATO

Since 7136 Days

Posted by mt_sabao

and you, replying to lebato's review

So i would only guess that you are referring to HALO 3. You are very eloquent, and most of the times i truly appreciate your posts but quit being so full of yourself and at least try to be coherent, and justify this huge change of position regarding HALO.

Hmn, it really isn't a review, but oh well.

And Acert is going to say he didn't reply to me, and well, he didn't.........

*this is going to get good!*

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mt_sabao

Since 6445 Days

Posted by LEBATO

*this is going to get good!*

:D nothing beats a good healthy argument!

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Acert93

Since 6985 Days

Thanks for the compliment. I have been working on my writing skills (although the lack of proofreading can be a killer).

As for the discussion, I really think you missed the flow of thought. Jolli said games should stop being rated on graphics. My response was to agree and point out some general examples of why I would agree and where I would dissent:

I can agree here in most cases.

most cases... plural. In most cases I agree with Jolli that a great game with average graphics is STILL a great game. Battlefield 1942 is an example of a HUGE game with very average (if that) looking models--but revolutionary gameplay. To doc the game for ok--but totally servicable--graphics is nuts IMO.

As long as graphics don't hinder the gameplay they are little factor. They should get rated as an item of interest, but IMO a game

A game... generic, not specific. I am still talking in the very generic sense about the hypothetical Jolli gave.

with average graphics that "do the job" and "average sound" and such

Halo (all of them) have amazing audio. And the graphics are better than "do the job". It has some uglies, but they are easily in the top 10% of 360 games.

I don't see how this line of thought jumped at Halo 3 unless you think that I think it has average sound. The graphics are a mixed bag, but as seen with in the broad view of my posts there are also things I really like.

but has revolutionary gameplay that is really solid and a lot of fun is still a "10" in my book.

Then again there are games (mostly those based off of reality) that do demand amazing graphics.

games... plural.

An ugly car game with licensed cars just won't do. But I would argue that such a game fails in regards to the graphics not supporting the goal of the game. But if they added complete damage modelling and was clean, well, the tilt could go the other way ;)

An example, more specific than my "generic" before, and so forth.

As for Halo 3... no! The core gameplay mechanics are NOT revolutionary. Actually, Halo 2 may have added more to the core game mechanics than Halo 3 (dual wielding, jumping on vehicles and kicking out the driver, shield alterations, etc).

Bungie did the smart thing, didn't screw with the core gameplay (to close out the story arch), and instead added depth in other areas--4 player coop with meta scoring, level design, Forge, MP customization depth, etc. They have a couple new weapons and deployables and a couple new vehicles, but the core game is very unaltered and definately isn't revolutionary.

Forge and Theater, on the other hand, will be looked back upon as disruptive technologies in the gaming space.

The iPod wasn't the first MP3 player, but it was dispruptive to the market. Halo 3 is going to be disruptive, not due to the gameplay (6 years of refinement to a core concept... many like, some hate) which is "tried and true" (or lame and laggy, depending on who you are... 8 M fans is a good base though) but because of the extras. Much like how Bungie took a LOT of core PC gamer elements and brought them to the console space, they have done that again in a tight, very well conceived package.

Halo 3 will change the console gaming space. In that respect it is revolutionary.

The gameplay? not. at. all. It is more Halo than you can shake a stick at.

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Thanks for the compliment. I have been working on my writing skills (although the lack of proofreading can be a killer).

As for the discussion, I really think you missed the flow of thought. Jolli said game[u]s[/u] should stop being rated on graphics. My response was to agree and point out some general examples of why I would agree and where I would dissent:

[quote]I can agree here in [u]most case[b]s[/b][/u].[/quote]

most cases... plural. In most cases I agree with Jolli that a great game with average graphics is STILL a great game. Battlefield 1942 is an example of a HUGE game with very average (if that) looking models--but revolutionary gameplay. To doc the game for ok--but totally servicable--graphics is nuts IMO.

[quote]As long as graphics don't hinder the gameplay they are little factor. They should get rated as an item of interest, but IMO [u]a game[/u][/quote]

A game... generic, not specific. I am still talking in the very generic sense about the hypothetical Jolli gave.

[quote]with average graphics that "do the job" and "average sound" and such[/quote]

Halo (all of them) have amazing audio. And the graphics are better than "do the job". It has some uglies, but they are easily in the top 10% of 360 games.

I don't see how this line of thought jumped at Halo 3 unless you think that I think it has average sound. The graphics are a mixed bag, but as seen with in the broad view of my posts there are also things I really like.

[quote]but has revolutionary gameplay that is really solid and a lot of fun is still a "10" in my book.

Then again there are [b]game[u]s[/u][/b] (mostly those based off of reality) that do demand amazing graphics.[/quote]

games... plural.

[quote]An ugly car game with licensed cars just won't do. But I would argue that such a game fails in regards to the graphics not supporting the goal of the game. But if they added complete damage modelling and was clean, well, the tilt could go the other way ;)[/quote]

An example, more specific than my "generic" before, and so forth.

As for Halo 3... no! The core gameplay mechanics are NOT revolutionary. Actually, Halo 2 may have added more to the core game mechanics than Halo 3 (dual wielding, jumping on vehicles and kicking out the driver, shield alterations, etc).

Bungie did the smart thing, didn't screw with the core gameplay (to close out the story arch), and instead added depth in other areas--4 player coop with meta scoring, level design, Forge, MP customization depth, etc. They have a couple new weapons and deployables and a couple new vehicles, but the core game is very unaltered and definately isn't revolutionary.

Forge and Theater, on the other hand, will be looked back upon as disruptive technologies in the gaming space.

The iPod wasn't the first MP3 player, but it was dispruptive to the market. Halo 3 is going to be disruptive, not due to the gameplay (6 years of refinement to a core concept... many like, some hate) which is "tried and true" (or lame and laggy, depending on who you are... 8 M fans is a good base though) but because of the extras. Much like how Bungie took a LOT of core PC gamer elements and brought them to the console space, they have done that again in a tight, very well conceived package.

Halo 3 will change the console gaming space. In that respect it is revolutionary.

The gameplay? not. at. all. It is more Halo than you can shake a stick at.

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Jollipop

Since 6897 Days

Perhaps Bungie felt they didn't need to alter the core gameplay, I think most people were happy with Halo and Halo 2 (would account for the sales figures :P) so providing a new story, better graphics and more online options just makes the game better all round.

I'm not a fan of revolutionising games anyway, especially when you find something that works so well.

The gameplay? not. at. all. It is more Halo than you can shake a stick at.

Good thing its got Halo on the package then :P

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