Mr Jukes Jump Tactics for the win! Hope he's around to do some videos for Halo 3. You didn't just learn a lot from his stuff they were very well put together. With the film controls and shared film stuff it'll be even better.

It's the same freakish love Sath has for Dark Sector... The only difference is Halo kicks ass and Dark sector is one big pile of crap

I can understand those games, but dark sector.... you have the be very optimistic to see something in that piece of **** ....

Anyway i'll stop going off topic, these gameplay footages actually looked good! love the dark and gloomy setting on this map...

Needs more cargos.. ;)

..but stop picking on the poor guy.

This thread is about Halo, not Dark Sector.. so lets not drag this on.

What things are Bungie doing that other devs only think of doing? Halo 3 has some nice tech, but it also has some basic effects missing. For example, dynamic lights don't appear to cast shadows with dynamic objects. Poly count is low on characters and they tend to look flat. The big laser bursts from the ships appear very bright yet don't seem to do much indirect illumination, ditto self shadows appear faint even in bright light. AF doesn't appear high and ground textures aren't very detailed. Grass is spite and fairly sparse. They have a large world, but so did games like GRAW, Oblivion, Kameo, etc. Post processing effects sans HDR aren't cutting edge. Animation is horrible... really, really horrible.

Like I said, Halo 3 has some nice tech. The game is pretty and the sky is ZOMG. But when you look at the stuff other developers are doing with poly counts, model detail, brush and trees, interactive and destructive environments, framerate, lighting and shadowing, particle systems, AI, dynamic animation systems, etc I don't think it is even realistic to say Bungie is doing stuff others just dream of.

And their big features aren't like, "Wow, impossible!" 4 Player coop? Welcome to the party Bungie. Forge? TS2 and FCI had actual map editors; the old UT games had map makers and gameplay modifiers. Gary's Mod with HL2 physics and grav gun is insane. Machinima? Between no real control over lip sync, gestures, custom animations, and completely custom clothes, sets, and sceners there just nothing here other 360 devs haven't done with the video capture stuff (sharing is something else). The lobby system and game filters/modes is insane, but 16 players is sparse and they still lack ded servers. And a number of games, like the GRAW series, have a lot of MP depth.

Halo 3 is a really nice package, very rich and robust. 3 years, 90 people, and over $20M does that. And not to take away anything from Bungie, they are very talented folks with a great vision. But Halo 3 isn't ground breaking in game design or mechanics or introducting anything revolutionary... but like the Orange Box it is more than the individual sum of parts. It is a complete package with a ton of quality and an insane amount of replay.Halo 3 is a crappy football game. And RPG.Nope!Who, Epic and Free Radical?

First, the UT series is a PC mainstay and has never been a force on the consoles. And Free Radical is introducing a new IP in a year with a slew of new IPs & a ton of sequals to strong brands.

It isn't just Halo 3, but: Call of Duty 4, Brother in Arms 3, Medal of Honor: Airborne, Half-Life 2 Orange Box, Quake Wars, Bioshock, and Mass Effect (which has a lot of FPS elements).

Epic and FR knew there was a good chance their games would get overlooked, regardless of quality. Look at the hype for Halo 3: 1M preorders with barely any SP footage at the time and a MP beta that was very similar to the 2004 incarnation.

One look no further than Madden to see how a name and reputation can carry a big franchise, year in and year out, to HUGE sales and prevent quality competition from getting a foothold in the market.

If I was running those other FPS games I would have made sure I launched before Halo 3 -- notably Bioshock, HL2 Orange Box, and BiA3 -- or delayed until 2008. The only 2 exceptions would be Mass Effect and Call of Duty 4, which for their own reason I think won't be as harmed by Halo sales (CoD due to fanbase and a totallyd ifferent setting and style; ME because it is only partly a FPS).

Even if UT3 was the BEST online console game ever in terms of features, graphics, and customization, it just wouldn't hold a candle against the Halo 3 hype train. No game can.

Maybe noobs, but listen to the crowd. They loved every moments. And it looked good. Very AvP feel in a lot of ways.

Exactly.. they were excited because they got to see something new.. something that not many other people had experienced in a group environment and to some extent mob mentality rules. Just people havin a good time.. PAX seems like it was a lot of fun.

People just having a good time... doesn't Nintendo own that patent :P

"Sans" means "without." And I don't think if you read Acert's posts he quite clearly states that "It is a complete package with a ton of quality and an insane amount of replay."--hardly suggesting anyone should cancel their preorder. If anything he's challenging the concept that it's this ridiculously high bar that bungie has set in the context of.. what was it.. the technical (and artistic) showpiece for the console?

But carry on, since you carry on quite a bit anyway. I'd rather actually talk about Halo now.. how bout them flamethrowers, eh?

Probably legendary co-op.. followed shortly there after by a bunch of MP. Same day regardless.