Modern Warfare 2 Thread - New Awesome Launch Trailer!

GriftGFX - He can also<br>ban your ass!
GriftGFX
Since 7014 Days
Kill streaks reward campers.. and not always skill. Not a fan.
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KORNdog
KORNdog
Since 6418 Days
Posted by blmbox
Fizzles out at the end? I don't really get that. The ending was awesome, with the only disappointment being that the story itself wasn't technically finished off. Even so, there were some very memorable missions in there and I would put it easily on par with COD4's campaign - if not better. I don't know about you, but moments such as walking through a destroyed Washington with the rain pouring down on you will live long in my gaming memory.

As for your comments on multiplayer... well, I don't get that either. It's pretty much the same online game, except the maps - for me - are far better and more diverse (especially the airport one, which is my favourite at the moment).
i said the end...as in, you know, the END. the run up to it was great (mid point onwards) but the very end was just bad, not only was it no where near as entertaining and cinematic as cod4, it was a freaking "to be continued", possibly the worst way a gamer can EVER end. it ruined games like halo 2, RS vegas, and splinter cell double agent and it certainly ruined MW2. i'd have been fine if it was a 10 hour experience, but you cant in anyway justify a "to be continued" ending in a game that bearly exceeds 4 hours. it's clear why the did it (money grabbing bastards holding it back for a sequel) but it doesnt make it any less cheap.

so yes, there where memorable moments, but compared to cod4...doesnt even come close imo.

as for multiplayer, i dont know who you guys have been playing against, but in 99% of the game i've played there are choppers in the air at all times. sure you can spawn with a rocket launcher, sure you can spawn with a shield, but before there was at least a limit to how many can be in the air at once (ONE) and rocket launchers where a BONUS weapon, now you're forced to replace you're secondary weapon for it, which not only slows your ass down, but makes it impossible to get any sort of decent killstreak since some gun only come with 80 freaking bullets. they have made some truely stupid decissions as far as how the game plays online, and that isnt even taking into account the often poorly designed maps that favour campers much much more. flush them out with grenades i hear you cry,...oh wait, they've gimped them too by not only making them much much weaker, but make you throw them like a little school girl too. awesome

yeah, the games totally above and beyond the first MW....lol
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blmbox
blmbox
Since 6346 Days
Posted by KORNdog
i said the end...as in, you know, the END.
I said in my post that I thought the ending was awesome, so it's just a difference of opinion. You can blabble on all you want about how it wasn't as good as COD4, but it doesn't mean I think you're talking any sense - and vice versa as well.

And the same applies for multiplayer: our experiences have obviously differed thus far, because I thought that COD4's multiplayer was... boring. Yep, that's right. Everyone was raving about how great the online was, but I quit after a short amount of time because I found it to be dull. But MW2's multiplayer, for one reason or another, just seems to be a bit more exciting. I owe part of that to the maps, which are more up my street compared to its predecessor.
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GriftGFX - He can also<br>ban your ass!
GriftGFX
Since 7014 Days
Man... COD4 has some incredible maps. Strike is the best S&D map evar.
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TheBeagle
TheBeagle
Since 6620 Days
Posted by FireWire
A good camper probably.. That's the only way to do it...
I can assure you he is not a camper.
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Ronsauce
Ronsauce
Since 6999 Days
Posted by KORNdog
not only was it no where near as entertaining and cinematic as cod4
lolwut?
as for multiplayer, i dont know who you guys have been playing against, but in 99% of the game i've played there are choppers in the air at all times.
I'm not sure I even really believe you as I think our definitions of "99%" and "at all times" are probably different.
yeah, the games totally above and beyond the first MW
About the only accurate thing you've said.
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GriftGFX - He can also<br>ban your ass!
GriftGFX
Since 7014 Days
Larger hit boxes, more air support, sentry guns, and the ability to resupply frags, claymores, and noob tubes (which no longer remove a perk!)... there's certainly something about it that's beyond Call of Duty 4.

I wonder if I can find a second hand copy on eBay for PC. I'd actually pub it if there were a (legit) way to acquire the game that didn't involve giving Infinity Ward money.
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Tinks
Tinks
Since 6944 Days
Again, the Cold Blooded Perk removes any worries about helicopters, or any guns in the air that will target you for long periods of time.
Also if you don't have the perk, if you have a rocket launcher they take out helicopters and jets relatively easy. You even get special shite for knocking them down.

The only downside to this game is camping right now and that's because it's still early and we haven't learned the maps enough. FPS games have campers no matter what game you play. Camping works, and in competitive games people will always do what's necessary to win. They'll even fuck with their modem (stand by, Halo 2). Sports games people find ways to score or play that is game breaking, but that is part of human nature. We all play differently.

This game is GOOD. I'm sorry they pulled support on the PC with dedicated servers but they're looking at it as a business because that's what it all is at the end of the day.
The world runs on money, that is the reality.
Whining about the situation does nothing and much like all our problems in the country, there is too much apathy to do anything progressive about the situation. So you either swallow your pride and play it on 360 if dedicated servers are that important to you, and you like the game that much, or you quit complaining.
It is the reality of the situation sadly. Quit blaming others. This world and these game companies run on something trivial like slips of paper with value attached to them, so that is their concern.
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GriftGFX - He can also<br>ban your ass!
GriftGFX
Since 7014 Days
Posted by Tinks
Whining about the situation does nothing and much like all our problems in the country, there is too much apathy to do anything progressive about the situation. So you either swallow your pride and play it on 360 if dedicated servers are that important to you, and you like the game that much, or you quit complaining.
No, and no.

Why would anyone who thinks this business model sucks buy the game period? If you purchase the 360 version, you're giving Infinity Ward and Activision the same support you would be in purchasing the PC version. There is no difference. It has nothing to do with "pride," and everything to do with principal. Why wouldn't we blame others? Consumer complacency, that very apathy that you're speaking of, is one of the biggest problems in this industry today. If everyone just "swallowed their pride" and supported the product anyway, well, we'd be going down that path to premium and pay-to-play services even quicker... and for whatever it's worth, I'm not faulting the masses, or individual purchases... unless of course they're informed enough to be mad about it, but purchased it anyway!

Last time I checked.. stuff like large hit boxes and silly excessive gimmicks (which is what they are, and the novelty does wear off) have absolutely nothing to do with dedicated servers. No one brought up anything specific to the PC version of the game on this page... I just think it's ridiculous that someone can't genuinely believe that COD4 is better without you guys jumping on his back.

Oh god.. I'm defending korndog....

edit: well there's a slight difference, since on the PC they don't pay licensing fees, but still.. same diff!
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IRAIPT0IR
IRAIPT0IR
Since 5722 Days
Posted by GriftGFX
Larger hit boxes, more air support, sentry guns, and the ability to resupply frags, claymores, and noob tubes (which no longer remove a perk!)... there's certainly something about it that's beyond Call of Duty 4.

I wonder if I can find a second hand copy on eBay for PC. I'd actually pub it if there were a (legit) way to acquire the game that didn't involve giving Infinity Ward money.
Steal it.

;)
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GriftGFX - He can also<br>ban your ass!
GriftGFX
Since 7014 Days
Posted by IRAIPT0IR
Steal it.

;)
Legit is the key word.
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IRAIPT0IR
IRAIPT0IR
Since 5722 Days
Posted by GriftGFX
Legit is the key word.
Ah ok then wait for someone who bought it legit and steal it from him.

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GriftGFX - He can also<br>ban your ass!
GriftGFX
Since 7014 Days
Second hand is totally an option, but Steam complicates things. I'll check eBay out, but I don't expect to see many PC copies going second hand, since they're tied to Steam accounts.

Of course, I wouldn't mind having a separate Steam account just for MW2 anyway.. that way when I get banned for using dedicated servers, I won't lose my entire library of Valve software too!
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The Giant Bomb staff wrap their heads around the story of Modern Warfare 2, compare their "fuck yeah" moments and speculate on the overarcing plot of IW's balls-to-the-wall inducing thrill ride in this special, INSANELY SPOILER-RIDDEN, podcast.

It's a nice listen but be warned, it will methodically spoil the entire experience for you if you haven't played it yet.
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Tinks
Tinks
Since 6944 Days
Posted by GriftGFX
I wasn't jumping on Korndog's back, who to me hasn't played the game long enough to realize that there are things WITHIN the structure that negate his complaints. He thinks there is too much air game going on? They thought about that and implemented gameplay that solves those issues. They come LATER in the game. It feels like he hasn't gone far enough into the multiplayer to truly understand that those things aren't an issue if they really bother you so much. If they are a huge issue he can use the Cold Blooded Perk. This is just one example to his list of issues. It paints a picture that shows me he hasn't played the game enough yet. It's very similar to my issues earlier in this thread that went away as I played the game more.

I was jumping on your back if anything. You've made it very clear on this website that you hold a grudge in this situation due to the treatment to PC that is ever growing. That isn't bad or wrong, it's just who you are. Don't think I am telling you, you are wrong. I don't like it either.
It's not just the industry my friend, the entire world runs on the dollar. The gaming industry is just one piece to the entire pie of fucked up selfishness that makes the world function. The way gamers aren't cared for is echoed very much in all aspects of society. To survive in this world companies have learned what is necessary. You do what's necessary for $$$. This is why PC is getting the shaft.
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GriftGFX - He can also<br>ban your ass!
GriftGFX
Since 7014 Days
I know that's their motivation, but I'm honestly not convinced that this was a smart financial move either. I don't think the PC audience really wanted or needed IWNet.. although the controversy may have actually helped.. it's hard to tell since no one releases PC sales data anymore. We're not going to really be able to compare MW2's performance to COD4's. I suspect that it might outperform it in the short term though.. and naturally the console version is going to outsell COD4. My response to that is just.. well.. you can make money without stepping on peoples toes. That is all.

Back to the actual game:



Apparently you can mod/hack MW2 in such a way to actually view the physical pings instead of bars. I guess we know why they use symbols to indicate latency instead of actual numbers :)

Also.. Hidden gametypes: http://www.modernwarfail2.com/2009/11/17/unlocking...

DLC incoming?
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Inflatable
Inflatable
Since 7652 Days
Posted by GriftGFX
Apparently you can mod/hack MW2 in such a way to actually view the physical pings instead of bars. I guess we know why they use symbols to indicate latency instead of actual numbers :)
Offcourse.. Have you ever played on a listen server (urually gives you pings that were normal back in the early 1990's, the dial-in modem-age).. For me the numbers shown in the screeny are especially laughable, since I have fiber and 1ms to the AMS-IX..
Posted by GriftGFX
DLC incoming?
I think that's also to be exptected yes.. And this time also premium (= not free) on PC..

Lets hope it flops bigtime on PC.. Although I wonder if they really care if PC DLC sales turn out to be miserable, as they make enough profit anyway across all platforms.. So it's their way or the highway from now on..
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KORNdog
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Posted by Ronsauce
About the only accurate thing you've said.
if only it where true, hence the added "lol"
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GriftGFX - He can also<br>ban your ass!
GriftGFX
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http://www.joystiq.com/2009/11/18/activision-moder...

$550 million in the first week... and we still hear sob stories about their budgets... while they laugh all the way to the bank.
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deftangel
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Posted by GriftGFX
http://www.joystiq.com/2009/11/18/activision-modern-warfare-2-earned-550-million-in-first-five-days/

$550 million in the first week... and we still hear sob stories about their budgets... while they laugh all the way to the bank.
Not to be picky, but that's the retail spend. Not profit. The point is moot of course as this game is definitely profitable but there are plenty of developers who are actually struggling. I've not heard any sob stories about Activision/IW's budgets and rightly so. They would be treated with the disdain they deserve but it's important not to tar everybody with the same brush.

I'm not saying that's what you're doing of course :)

As for the PC version, if it doesn't do well. Activision will just drop it. They did with COD3. If it wasn't so easy to cross develop for 360/PC I doubt they would have even bothered this time around.
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GriftGFX
Since 7014 Days
Posted by deftangel
Not to be picky, but that's the retail spend. Not profit. The point is moot of course as this game is definitely profitable but there are plenty of developers who are actually struggling. I've not heard any sob stories about Activision/IW's budgets and rightly so. They would be treated with the disdain they deserve but it's important not to tar everybody with the same brush.

I'm not saying that's what you're doing of course :)

As for the PC version, if it doesn't do well. Activision will just drop it. They did with COD3. If it wasn't so easy to cross develop for 360/PC I doubt they would have even bothered this time around.
I'm sure that MW1 had a healthy ROI on the PC... granted... that's more of a hunch than anything, since PC sales data is so hard to come by.

I'm sure MW2 is doing well too.

But honestly... if this is how they're going to treat the PC SKU... I wouldn't mind losing it all together.

PS. When was COD3 ever even considered for PC release?
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deftangel - Hot stuff!
deftangel
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Posted by GriftGFX
PS. When was COD3 ever even considered for PC release?
I asked someone at Activision at the time what the craic was, they said it was a "dead" platform. It sure as hell wasn't for technology reasons, at least not viable ones. COD3 was based on the COD2 engine. Then again, it was developed by Treyarch who managed to make a complete hash of a Spider-man game PC port around the same time. They got COD5 out on PC though.

I wouldn't be surprised if they dropped COD6 from PC altogether but I also wouldn't be surprised if the console versions didn't connect to IW.net in the same was that you use EA servers via Xbox Live now. IW.net isn't about short-term profit gains, it's about Activision establishing a relationship directly with the consumer.
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GriftGFX - He can also<br>ban your ass!
GriftGFX
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Posted by deftangel
I asked someone at Activision at the time what the craic was, they said it was a "dead" platform. It sure as hell wasn't for technology reasons, at least not viable ones. COD3 was based on the COD2 engine. Then again, it was developed by Treyarch who managed to make a complete hash of a Spider-man game PC port around the same time. They got COD5 out on PC though.

I wouldn't be surprised if they dropped COD6 from PC altogether but I also wouldn't be surprised if the console versions didn't connect to IW.net in the same was that you use EA servers via Xbox Live now. IW.net isn't about short-term profit gains, it's about Activision establishing a relationship directly with the consumer.
MW2 is COD6.. according to most people. I think you underestimate the value of the PC version. Treyarch had never made a PC FPS, outside of their experience with prior members of the team that made United Offensive. It wasn't the least bit shocking that their first full fledged Call of Duty game wasn't a PC title. World at War was a net gain for the PC. I would be shocked if Activision isn't making bank on the PC version, considering how easy it is to develop for multiple platforms and considering the immensity of Call of Duty's success.

IWNet is about control. I guess domination is a sort of relationship though.
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Tinks
Tinks
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Posted by GriftGFX
My response to that is just.. well.. you can make money without stepping on peoples toes. That is all.
Tell that to the rest of the world. To make money you step over those in your way no matter what your profession is.
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deftangel
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Posted by GriftGFX
MW2 is COD.
Whoops, I meant COD7!

All I was saying was, Activision were happy to drop it before. If they really wanted a PC COD3, they would have got Treyarch to make one. I can see it going either way but they clearly don't see the PC version as it stands as something worth investing in because they clearly haven't done so this time around.
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