The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim

Since 6883 Days

Archery is great too once you do a one hit kill on enemies, but even on very high archery skills, do enemies stagger when getting hit? I am talking about regular human bandits with no shield.

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ManThatYouFear

Since 6960 Days

Posted by Sath

What perk did you add?
I am focusing alot on destruction! That fire and lightning!

at work cant recall name, on the left of the tree i think, it staggers them.. that's all i can recall :(

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Sath

Since 6883 Days

Posted by ManThatYouFear

at work cant recall name, on the left of the tree i think, it staggers them.. that's all i can recall :(

Well once you play it again, check it, post it here :)

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BLackHawkodst

Since 5903 Days

Your not buying an "Open World RPG game" to Explore the world lol... sometimes you say some crazy ass shit Sath :), you knew what the bloody hit reaction was going to be like in this so why go on and on and on about it. I could not give a fuck about hit reaction, that in no way stops my enjoyment of this game at all.

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sanex

Since 5204 Days

Another great Skyrim session last night, took on some Giants and Automatons? things, loving the combat in this game, and some of the NPC banter is priceless :)

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KORNdog

Since 6421 Days

Posted by Sath

Archery is great too once you do a one hit kill on enemies, but even on very high archery skills, do enemies stagger when getting hit? I am talking about regular human bandits with no shield.

yes, i think it's 50% chance of stagger (feels like they do it all the time with human enemies) no stagger on larger creatures tho. 3x damage when hidden, high chance of critical. it's the best, least crappy combat system in the game imo. but not for everyone. you feel incredibly pressured if you dont kill in 2 or 3 shots. unless you switch to swords, but i try to avoid that.

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sanex

Since 5204 Days

Posted by UrukHaiPT

Here's me with my Dragon armor (Light version). It's very easy to farm smithing. Just make Hide bracers only needs Leather, and leather strips.

Amazing!!

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ManThatYouFear

Since 6960 Days

Posted by Sath

Well once you play it again, check it, post it here :)

will do

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blmbox

Since 6348 Days

I've been dual wielding and I find the combat very satisfying, really liking it. It has flaws, but the overall weight of the melee is a big improvement over Oblivion.

Hit detection needs to be a little better, but I've found that a lot of my attacks have good feedback on them - and the finishing moves are sweeeeeet (only in 1st person though, in 3rd person it's like a copy and paste from Fallout... even the weird 'jackpot' sound is there).

Saying that, I find that I'm constantly switching between melee, magic and archery. This game gives you so many options in combat that I feel obliged to utilise most of them.

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Sephiriah

Since 6129 Days

Thought you said you were loving the game Sath?

I said it much earlier in this thread, the reason why I think there is a lack of hit reaction is because if you have to do it for enemies then you have to do it for the player, the game would just turn into a staggering match. I find it annoying enough when I get slowed down by mage wielding frost spells and can't close the gap to melee range how much more when archers can stop me every few feet and take me down. Sounds more like a Dark Souls kind of gameplay which I'd like kept out of my ES as much as possible.

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ManThatYouFear

Since 6960 Days

Sath its impact, well according to the Skyrim wiki page.

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KORNdog

Since 6421 Days

Posted by Sephiriah

Thought you said you were loving the game Sath?

I said it much earlier in this thread, the reason why I think there is a lack of hit reaction is because if you have to do it for enemies then you have to do it for the player, the game would just turn into a staggering match. I find it annoying enough when I get slowed down by mage wielding frost spells and can't close the gap to melee range how much more when archers can stop me every few feet and take me down. Sounds more like a Dark Souls kind of gameplay which I'd like kept out of my ES as much as possible.

i WISH the combat was as good as dark souls, i really do.

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Megido

Since 6342 Days

Posted by KORNdog

i WISH the combat was as good as dark souls, i really do.

Yeah. Totally. If i could get the big open world of Skyrim, but with the combat and enemy diversity of Dark Souls, then that would be truly kickass.

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IRAIPT0IR

Since 5725 Days

Posted by Megido

Yeah. Totally. If i could get the big open world of Skyrim, but with the combat and enemy diversity of Dark Souls, then that would be truly kickass.

I would totally buy two copies of this masterpiece!

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BLackHawkodst

Since 5903 Days

Posted by blmbox

Saying that, I find that I'm constantly switching between melee, magic and archery. This game gives you so many options in combat that I feel obliged to utilise most of them.

First time in an RPG i find myself doing this also, the freedom you get is Great.

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Sath

Since 6883 Days

Posted by BLackHawkodst

Your not buying an "Open World RPG game" to Explore the world lol... sometimes you say some crazy ass shit Sath :), you knew what the bloody hit reaction was going to be like in this so why go on and on and on about it. I could not give a fuck about hit reaction, that in no way stops my enjoyment of this game at all.

That is the only reason why I got it, the art and the whole norse/nordic vibe to it, yes and its open world.
But as I said, I knew this from the getgo, but I kept thinking maybe in the full game it will be different once you level up enough and add perks enough to make the combat good.

Thing is I still got my old shield/weapon build save so I went back to it to check some perks and get those higher perks that does 40%+ damages and see if anythings different.
One thing I noticed is the only way to stagger enemies, or see them flinch during combat is power attacks and nothing more. Too be thats pure shit in ANY melee based combat no matter what genre it is.

Posted by Sephiriah

Thought you said you were loving the game Sath?

I said it much earlier in this thread, the reason why I think there is a lack of hit reaction is because if you have to do it for enemies then you have to do it for the player, the game would just turn into a staggering match. I find it annoying enough when I get slowed down by mage wielding frost spells and can't close the gap to melee range how much more when archers can stop me every few feet and take me down. Sounds more like a Dark Souls kind of gameplay which I'd like kept out of my ES as much as possible.

I have been staggered by normal attacks by the enemy and I expect the same from themm but nothing.
I would love it if the game was much more tactical stagger combat were blocking AND if they added counter attack into it so its more realistic and fair to both players and the enemies (depending on level and perks of course).

Sure kind of like Dark Souls but not as limited were stamina decreases even on the normal attacks thats dumb decision. It may fit the Souls challenge formula but not otherwise.

Posted by ManThatYouFear

Sath its impact, well according to the Skyrim wiki page.

Will check it out, thx.

Posted by blmbox

Saying that, I find that I'm constantly switching between melee, magic and archery. This game gives you so many options in combat that I feel obliged to utilise most of them.

Thats the best part they added IMO.
And I also agree, the finisher (damn random, happens mostly during staggered enemies but even so its random) is great, in first person. Third person is shit lol

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[quote=BLackHawkodst]Your not buying an "Open World RPG game" to Explore the world lol... sometimes you say some crazy ass shit Sath :), you knew what the bloody hit reaction was going to be like in this so why go on and on and on about it. I could not give a fuck about hit reaction, that in no way stops my enjoyment of this game at all.[/quote]

That is the only reason why I got it, the art and the whole norse/nordic vibe to it, yes and its open world.
But as I said, I knew this from the getgo, but I kept thinking maybe in the full game it will be different once you level up enough and add perks enough to make the combat good.

Thing is I still got my old shield/weapon build save so I went back to it to check some perks and get those higher perks that does 40%+ damages and see if anythings different.
One thing I noticed is the only way to stagger enemies, or see them flinch during combat is power attacks and nothing more. Too be thats pure shit in ANY melee based combat no matter what genre it is.

[quote=Sephiriah]Thought you said you were loving the game Sath?

I said it much earlier in this thread, the reason why I think there is a lack of hit [b]reaction[/b] is because if you have to do it for enemies then you have to do it for the player, the game would just turn into a staggering match. I find it annoying enough when I get slowed down by mage wielding frost spells and can't close the gap to melee range how much more when archers can stop me every few feet and take me down. Sounds more like a Dark Souls kind of gameplay which I'd like kept out of my ES as much as possible.[/quote]

I have been staggered by normal attacks by the enemy and I expect the same from themm but nothing.
I would love it if the game was much more tactical stagger combat were blocking AND if they added counter attack into it so its more realistic and fair to both players and the enemies (depending on level and perks of course).

Sure kind of like Dark Souls but not as limited were stamina decreases even on the normal attacks thats dumb decision. It may fit the Souls challenge formula but not otherwise.

[quote=ManThatYouFear]Sath its impact, well according to the Skyrim wiki page.[/quote]
Will check it out, thx.

[quote=blmbox]Saying that, I find that I'm constantly switching between melee, magic and archery. This game gives you so many options in combat that I feel obliged to utilise most of them.[/quote]

Thats the best part they added IMO.
And I also agree, the finisher (damn random, happens mostly during staggered enemies but even so its random) is great, in first person. Third person is shit lol

GriftGFX

Since 7017 Days

Posted by blmbox

Saying that, I find that I'm constantly switching between melee, magic and archery. This game gives you so many options in combat that I feel obliged to utilise most of them.

The irony is that it's probably no more effective in the long run. Specialization is the most important it's ever been in an Elderscrolls game. You can combine quite a few things, but you need dem perks, and they they limit/focus what you can really do. And sure, you can put all your perks into combat and do everything, but then your support skills are going to suffer.

Posted by Sath

This is pretty much my last Bethesda game I will play because I cant deal with crappy combat in such a game focused so much on melee (and magic).
I cant wait for Kingdom of Amalur to come in February, seems to be my type of RPG.

So is this your first 180 on this game? You love it already again right? ;)

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BLackHawkodst

Since 5903 Days

And it won’t be his last lol, Sath flips mores times than a Russian Gymnast :)

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ManThatYouFear

Since 6960 Days

Posted by BLackHawkodst

And it won’t be his last lol, Sath flips mores times Gymnast :)

LMFAO!

"FUCK YOU TECMO NINJA GAIDEN 3 LOOKS WANK!"
*latest shot*
"OMFG AWESOMESAUCE!"

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IRAIPT0IR

Since 5725 Days

Hype andmaybe the first few hours that you are in awe makes you say lots of things, for example I was way hyped for Rage I even called it GOTY or something a few times but after a good 20 hours Im bored out of my mind already.

:D

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BLackHawkodst

Since 5903 Days

Thats because you and Sath are the same lol.. :)

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IRAIPT0IR

Since 5725 Days

Posted by BLackHawkodst

Thats because you and Sath are the same lol.. :)

You mean like the same person or like clones or like twins?

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Sath

Since 6883 Days

Posted by GriftGFX

So is this your first 180 on this game? You love it already again right? ;)

Dont get me wrong, I DO love the game, but everytime I think about using melee it pisses me off that I cant because how shitty it is. And I use melee combat in every combat situation I can rather than magic, this is the first time I am forcing myself to use mage lol. (not saying powers are bad, they are awesome as hell, but melee AND magic would be even better).

Like I said, I do have my old shield/weapon warrior build save left and my mage, so I am going back and forth between the two for different styles I guess.
I am gonna play warrior more and add every perk possible to one handed weapons and max it out hope it gets better from there, but I doubt it.

Posted by BLackHawkodst

And it won’t be his last lol, Sath flips mores times than a Russian Gymnast :)

True, my acrobatic awesomeness might switch once Bethesda actually give a damn about combat in their years of developing games lol.

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LMFAO!

"FUCK YOU TECMO NINJA GAIDEN 3 LOOKS WANK!"
*latest shot*
"OMFG AWESOMESAUCE!"

NG3 is decent at best, too many shit is added and removed for me to enjoy "love it". No way in hell its awesomesauce :P

Posted by BLackHawkodst

Thats because you and Sath are the same lol.. :)

LOL, oh far from it. Most of the things Raptor like I hate, and vice versa.
Bayonetta is one of them :)

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So is this your first 180 on this game? You love it already again right? ;)[/quote]

Dont get me wrong, I DO love the game, but everytime I think about using melee it pisses me off that I cant because how shitty it is. And I use melee combat in every combat situation I can rather than magic, this is the first time I am forcing myself to use mage lol. (not saying powers are bad, they are awesome as hell, but melee AND magic would be even better).

Like I said, I do have my old shield/weapon warrior build save left and my mage, so I am going back and forth between the two for different styles I guess.
I am gonna play warrior more and add every perk possible to one handed weapons and max it out hope it gets better from there, but I doubt it.

[quote=BLackHawkodst]And it won’t be his last lol, Sath flips mores times than a Russian Gymnast :)[/quote]

True, my acrobatic awesomeness might switch once Bethesda actually give a damn about combat in their years of developing games lol.

[quote=ManThatYouFear]
LMFAO!

"FUCK YOU TECMO NINJA GAIDEN 3 LOOKS WANK!"
*latest shot*
"OMFG AWESOMESAUCE!"[/quote]

NG3 is decent at best, too many shit is added and removed for me to enjoy "love it". No way in hell its awesomesauce :P

[quote=BLackHawkodst]Thats because you and Sath are the same lol.. :)[/quote]

LOL, oh far from it. Most of the things Raptor like I hate, and vice versa.
Bayonetta is one of them :)

Jollipop

Since 6900 Days

Posted by UrukHaiPT

Here's me with my Dragon armor (Light version). It's very easy to farm smithing. Just make Hide bracers only needs Leather, and leather strips.

Yup this is what I did.

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blmbox

Since 6348 Days

Posted by GriftGFX

The irony is that it's probably no more effective in the long run. Specialization is the most important it's ever been in an Elderscrolls game. You can combine quite a few things, but you need dem perks, and they they limit/focus what you can really do. And sure, you can put all your perks into combat and do everything, but then your support skills are going to suffer.

In terms of pure fun though, I think each component is valid in that regard; some might not like the melee still, but I believe enough improvements have been made to it for me personally to enjoy it (it's actually my primary means of gameplay at the moment as, surprisingly, I find the melee satisfying). And in terms of effectiveness, I've not exactly had any problems so far in terms of defeating enemies employing all those tactics.

So while you're saying that it makes specialisation even more important than ever before, I still think the option of being an all-rounder is a lot more feasible than ever before. Even with the perks I'm distributing them evenly towards 4 or 5 skill sets and it's serving me very well indeed.

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[quote=GriftGFX]The irony is that it's probably no more effective in the long run. Specialization is the most important it's ever been in an Elderscrolls game. You can combine quite a few things, but you need dem perks, and they they limit/focus what you can really do. And sure, you can put all your perks into combat and do everything, but then your support skills are going to suffer.[/quote]

In terms of pure [i]fun[/i] though, I think each component is valid in that regard; some might not like the melee still, but I believe enough improvements have been made to it for me personally to enjoy it (it's actually my primary means of gameplay at the moment as, surprisingly, I find the melee satisfying). And in terms of effectiveness, I've not exactly had any problems so far in terms of defeating enemies employing all those tactics.

So while you're saying that it makes specialisation even more important than ever before, I still think the option of being an all-rounder is a lot more feasible than ever before. Even with the perks I'm distributing them evenly towards 4 or 5 skill sets and it's serving me very well indeed.

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