Trusty Bell/Eternal Sonata Demo on Japanese MP

Since 6869 Days

I saw Iso on my list playing it and I was shocked so I went and downloaded it very quickly.

I gotta say that this is how a JRPG gameplay should be like...real-time but yet have that turn based element in it.

I loved the game...very fun, beautiful and cool attacks.

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Jollipop

Since 6886 Days

Posted by Optimusv2

I agree if a jrpg is going real-time they gotta copy kotor :)

Kotor isn't real time, it's semi real time, and i don't think they need to copy it at all, they just need to provide players the ability to chain combos and attacks. (resulting in new spells and moves)

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GriftGFX

Since 7003 Days

Posted by Jollipop

Kotor isn't real time, it's semi real time, and i don't think they need to copy it at all, they just need to provide players the ability to chain combos and attacks. (resulting in new spells and moves)

You're right.. and that's a distinction that makes it better than Jade Empire.

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Optimusv2

Since 6895 Days

True it isn't real-time, but thats as far as I think any jrpg should go just with fancier spell effects, better animations. If they want to evolve the kotor system toss in some combination attacks with a specific party member.

Like lets say you are controlling cloud at the time then you have a choice between sora or sephiroth (just tossing names out there) to perform 1, 2 maybe even 3 different combination moves with either one of them. Or you might even have a number of different group combo attacks. All using the kotor semi-realtime battle system.

I think from a battle perspective any game like that would already be awesome just build around it properly. What I wouldn't do to see a final fantasy 7 remake using kotor's system with those minor twists. It could actually expand gameplay too by doing things like knocking your opponent back or surround your enemies in a water prison or something *think kisame water prison technique filled with water so the people trapped inside start drowning and lose some HP in the process for every moment they are stuck in itt* or something.

Man what I wouldn't do to see a collaboration between sakaguchi & mistwalker with Bioware in charge of development duties and as well as having input on the story and universe too.

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True it isn't real-time, but thats as far as I think any jrpg should go just with fancier spell effects, better animations.  If they want to evolve the kotor system toss in some combination attacks with a specific party member.

Like lets say you are controlling cloud at the time then you have a choice between sora or sephiroth (just tossing names out there) to perform 1, 2 maybe even 3 different combination moves with either one of them.  Or you might even have a number of different group combo attacks.  All using the kotor semi-realtime battle system.

I think from a battle perspective any game like that would already be awesome just build around it properly.  What I wouldn't do to see a final fantasy 7 remake using kotor's system with those minor twists.  It could actually expand gameplay too by doing things like knocking your opponent back or surround your enemies in a water prison or something *think kisame water prison technique filled with water so the people trapped inside start drowning and lose some HP in the process for every moment they are stuck in itt*  or something.

Man what I wouldn't do to see a collaboration between sakaguchi & mistwalker with Bioware in charge of development duties and as well as having input on the story and universe too.

Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

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alimokrane

Since 6933 Days

The problem is the Y button can be assigned only to one special attack at a time (you have to go all the way to the menu to switch). it would have been nice if they did have a sub menu for each button (accessed by the D-pad) where you can switch between different fighting combos, techniques, special attacks spells extra ... this would be a KILLER with their sort of turn based real time kinda of system. Something along the lines of start moving go to th enemy and then select with the Dpad (time shoudl freeze at this point) which button to use: A B Y or X and then use the Right or left bumber to navigate the menus. it sounds complicated but it'll work and give the fighting so much depth.

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Jollipop

Since 6886 Days

Well Star Ocean 3 uses something like that, it's real time up until you choose a spell and then it freezes.

Very good system, one of my favourites, hope the 4th one uses a similar system.

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alimokrane

Since 6933 Days

Posted by Jollipop

Well Star Ocean 3 uses something like that, it's real time up until you choose a spell and then it freezes.

Very good system, one of my favourites, hope the 4th one uses a similar system.

Infact I am playing it right now :D and this is why the system striked me as a perfect fit for Eternal sonata as well. I will be getting the game nonethless that's for sure but I wish it has a deeper combat system but Oh well.

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SimonM7

Since 7026 Days

Actually, you assign many special attacks and you get different ones depending on your range to the target, steps taken, time left etc.

I'm not super convinced by the system in this game yet, but I think it could get increasingly dependant on timing, and that's pretty interesting. Like Jolli says it has to hold up for 40+ hours though, and that's a test of time only time can, er, test.

I have to say, even though I'm not particularly blown away by this for a couple of reasons, it is a comforting personal caress of a demo, promising so much more awe inspiring games than we've had so far on the system (uh-oh, here comes the colour bias!), I mean I don't even care that the Heaven's Mirror Forest here has like 90% less.. thingymabobgraphix.. than Massive Gears Effect Humans, it still makes me go ":O" like nothing else has so far. Artistically I don't even consider this up there with some of the finest looking RPGs on the PS2, but the sheer fact that it's HD cel shading and very dependant on art instead of poly excess makes it so damn appealing.

Oh yes and actual COLOURS!

I'm not dismissing this yet though! I'm just being a bit cautious based on a mixed set of impressions from playing it.. and truthfully the greatest contribution for me is making the wait for Blue Dragon all the more painful! :)

Woo to japanese support! WOO!

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Actually, you assign many special attacks and you get different ones depending on your range to the target, steps taken, time left etc.

I'm not super convinced by the system in this game yet, but I think it could get increasingly dependant on timing, and that's pretty interesting. Like Jolli says it has to hold up for 40+ hours though, and that's a test of time only time can, er, test.

I have to say, even though I'm not particularly blown away by this for a couple of reasons, it is a comforting personal caress of a demo, promising so much more awe inspiring games than we've had so far on the system (uh-oh, here comes the colour bias!), I mean I don't even care that the Heaven's Mirror Forest here has like 90% less.. thingymabobgraphix.. than Massive Gears Effect Humans, it still makes me go ":O" like nothing else has so far. Artistically I don't even consider this up there with some of the finest looking RPGs on the PS2, but the sheer fact that it's HD cel shading and very dependant on art instead of poly excess makes it so damn appealing.

Oh yes and actual COLOURS!

I'm not dismissing this yet though! I'm just being a bit cautious based on a mixed set of impressions from playing it.. and truthfully the greatest contribution for me is making the wait for Blue Dragon all the more painful! :)

Woo to japanese support! WOO!

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alimokrane

Since 6933 Days

Posted by SimonM7

Woo to japanese support! WOO!

AMEN Dude, AMEN!!!

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Eddy186

Since 6949 Days

Too bad you can not go into the equipment menu. I found some stuff that I want to equip on the characters. Like the song I played with the old man and he gave me something for it.

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Isomac

Since 6770 Days

I am quite sure that I equipped something maybe bracelet when I played at morning.

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Eddy186

Since 6949 Days

Posted by Isomac

I am quite sure that I equipped something maybe bracelet when I played at morning.

How did you do that. I have been hitting all the buttons and no menu ever came up.

Never Mind. Odly enough i never pressed the Y button.

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UrukHaiPT

Since 6530 Days

Yeah you can equip stuff, go to status, and show list of stuff you got equiped, and show 2 empty slots there (i think).

After play more the demo, the fighting is cool, but has no depth, just press press buttons... they should add something else, feels "easy".

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Jollipop

Since 6886 Days

Posted by UrukHaiPT

Yeah you can equip stuff, go to status, and show list of stuff you got equiped, and show 2 empty slots there (i think).

After play more the demo, the fighting is cool, but has no depth, just press press buttons... they should add something else, feels "easy".

Thats what real time JRPG's are like sadly.

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kenshin2418

Since 6978 Days

the main guy is weak, can't even run over me some chickens! Shu ran through birds and chickens just fine.

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UrukHaiPT

Since 6530 Days

Posted by kenshin2418

the main guy is weak, can't even run over me some chickens! Shu ran through birds and chickens just fine.

LOL yep, he get stuck trying pass by chickens :S

Yeah Jolli, agreed. I rather have good turn based, than weak real time.
This is why cant wait Blue Dragon/LO, both are old school... I just hope that LO, has no random enemies, that will work like on Blue Dragon... besides that i dont really care :D

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kenshin2418

Since 6978 Days

Also, did anyone else notice you can play this with with more than 1 person? In the options menu you can switch which controller controls which character. I just played though the game with my cousin controlling the girl, and me controlling the 2 guys.

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Jollipop

Since 6886 Days

I did notice that which i thought was kind of nifty.

But then i suppose its a bit boring for the person who isn't controlling the main character (out of battle)

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Acert93

Since 6974 Days

Posted by kenshin2418

*casts Silence on Jollipop*

So you are telling me all this time I just needed to learn some RPG lingo to communicate with Jolli?! Doh!

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RodmanSan

Since 6829 Days

Just loved the demo....:)

Artstyle is very beautifull and really love the gameplay.
This game can't come soon enough in Europe.

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Optimusv2

Since 6895 Days

Posted by Jollipop

Thats what real time JRPG's are like sadly.

Yea the more I played it the more I got tired of the battle system. It was cool the first couple battles, but then it got old fast.

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docLEXfisti

Since 7121 Days

I have to say that I really enjoyed the optics and the music. Character design is also done very nicely. Combat seemed a bit repetitive for me, actually I was almost glad I fnished the demo, because fighting was a bit boring (confusing also sometimes: running around on good luck trying to find the enemies in the battle screens was quite annoying). I also miss a map as well as a free-moving camera.

When I think of playing it for 50hrs+ I dunno if I'll have the strenght to go all the way. But being the RPG junkie that I am (especially JRPG's), I will buy it for sure. Because investing 50hrs. in Enchanted Arms justifies it already - Eternal Sonata has to be better ;)

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SimonM7

Since 7026 Days

You can hit L to get an overhead map of the combat. Until you start moving the game is paused anyway, so you can browse around as much as you like.

Also, pay attention to when special attacks are enabled, as you can use different ones based on your distance to the target, your time remaining and your steps taken.

In fact, mess around a lot in the menus, because there's a lot that isn't immediately obvious about the combat system. There's a guy in the forest who can fill you in on special moves and stuff.

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Jollipop

Since 6886 Days

Thats a good point Simon, i thought polka was pretty crap until i found her comet spell ... :P

I think later on it will become quite strategic.

If an enemy is in light i assume you should use dark attacks and vice versa.

The battle plays very much like a Tale of series game, although instead of a 2D point of view you are on a 3D battle field.

It would have been a good idea for them to have pointers on the screen edge to indicate where enemies where positioned, although you can change camera angle its still a pain.

Can't get over how crisp the visuals look, probably the best example of Hi Def i have seen on the 360.

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alimokrane

Since 6933 Days

Posted by SimonM7

You can hit L to get an overhead map of the combat. Until you start moving the game is paused anyway, so you can browse around as much as you like.

Also, pay attention to when special attacks are enabled, as you can use different ones based on your distance to the target, your time remaining and your steps taken.

In fact, mess around a lot in the menus, because there's a lot that isn't immediately obvious about the combat system. There's a guy in the forest who can fill you in on special moves and stuff.

What ? there's a menu ?? I cant believe I missed that and thanks for the camera change tip .. I was kinda worried I wasnt able to see the enemies on screen.

Oh and Jolli, I absolutely agree, the game visuals are OUTSTANDING ... for me perhaps the best art direction in a game ever!! I almost shit my pants when I got to the flowers garden :O :O

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