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Loving it so far. But really, some maps have some serious balancing issues in normal conquest mode, especially Gulf of Oman. Attack Conquest is tons of fun though, even on consoles all of the maps feel crowded.

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GriftGFX

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I'm not crazy about assignments. I hated them in TF2.. but that had different issues (one class per update, everyone would be trying to completely achievements to gain unlocks on the same kit and goal at one time). This doesn't seem so bad. I'm still not so crazy about it though. I don't like that I have to use the noob tube and mortar to get all the new unlocks.

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Inflatable

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Loving it so far. But really, some maps have some serious balancing issues in normal conquest mode, especially Gulf of Oman. Attack Conquest is tons of fun though, even on consoles all of the maps feel crowded.

I think that's because these maps were designed for Conquest Assault..

The Karkand addon pack really made BF3 better, as we all hoped.. To me it now feels like playing BF2 with awesome graphics and physics.. Infact I almost forgot about all the new maps BF3 came with.. :P

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GriftGFX

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Conquest assault makes the game better! Now if there were only double assault..

I'm so, so happy that the game basically came with this content. If the limited edition hadn't come with Back to Karkand, there may not be as much fanfare for it. Now I just hope that future expansions are both good and played. Special Forces for BF2 didn't even get the love it deserved. I dig how the content blends with vanilla content too. We can run both in rotation on the same server (I think). I don't know how all of that would work out if such a large chunk of players didn't already own the content.

I'm mostly pleased.

I'd be into stuff like the often imagined 2143 or WWII content too.

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@GriftGFX, I guess it all depends on the quality and price of that future DLC.. Especially for just a few maps I think everybody here knows my opinion already, I think those should alsways be free to avoid splits in the online community.. Imho they should only charge for a addon if it adds way more then just a few maps so it will be worth to almost all people to buy it.. I played Special Forces for BF2 aswell and from what I remember the numbers of players on it were ok, but not great like vanilla BF2.. Lets hope BF3 does not get split up to much online in the future..

A WWII BF again with even better graphics and physics etc then now in BF3 would be great.. Maybe an idea for BF4? Tiger v Sherman and ME109 v Spitfire battles in Frostbite 3.0.. But that's for 2013 or later, lets enjoy BF3 now first.. :P

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Doom_Bringer

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Yea grift, Special Forces BF2 was such a great mod. I bought it too late but from what I played it was absolutely incredible!! Night maps, stealth, night vision, cool map scenarios: such as invading a stranded US carrier, sneaking into submarine bays and on and on. Incredible mod

I hope Dice has plans to make a Battlefield 2143 since that game was also not fully appreciated.

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GriftGFX

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@GriftGFX, I guess it all depends on the quality and price of that future DLC.. Especially for just a few maps I think everybody here knows my opinion already, I think those should alsways be free to avoid splits in the online community.. Imho they should only charge for a addon if it adds way more then just a few maps so it will be worth to almost all people to buy it.. I played Special Forces for BF2 aswell and from what I remember the numbers of players on it were ok, but not great like vanilla BF2.. Lets hope BF3 does not get split up to much online in the future..

A WWII BF again with even better graphics and physics etc then now in BF3 would be great.. Maybe an idea for BF4? Tiger v Sherman and ME109 v Spitfire battles in Frostbite 3.0.. But that's for 2013 or later, lets enjoy BF3 now first.. :P

You know that Back to Karkand isn't technically free, right? And not everyone has it...

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GriftGFX

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I played a bunch of squad deathmatch last night thanks to the new assignments. I have to say, I actually enjoy the mode quite a bit when you're on a "real" team. The problem is that it's sorta broken. I mean, one obvious change versus Bad Company 2 is the fact that medics now refund a point when they revive a fallen teammate. It's as if that kill never happened. I'm not sure how I feel about that. I'm all for encouraging medic play, but it makes them a little too powerful. I think a death should equal a point in deathmatch regardless of a revive.

But it's an interesting twist on the mode, which is already much more interesting than Team Deathmatch. I thought as much in Bad Company 2 too.

I still need to go kill some folks with the noob tube to unlock the L85.

edit: Oh--and squads are ironically really broken in squad dm. Sometimes you're put into a squad on your team, sometimes you're not. A lot of people think that you just can not squad spawn in the mode. That's not the case. Sometimes you totally can. I find it a little funny that they would encourage people to play a mode that clearly needs some bug fixes.

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I played a bunch of squad deathmatch last night thanks to the new assignments. I have to say, I actually enjoy the mode quite a bit when you're on a "real" team. The problem is that it's sorta broken. I mean, one obvious change versus Bad Company 2 is the fact that medics now refund a [i]point[/i] when they revive a fallen teammate. It's as if that kill never happened. I'm not sure how I feel about that. I'm all for encouraging medic play, but it makes them a little too powerful. I think a death should equal a point in deathmatch regardless of a revive.

But it's an interesting twist on the mode, which is already much more interesting than Team Deathmatch. I thought as much in Bad Company 2 too.

I still need to go kill some folks with the noob tube to unlock the L85.

edit: Oh--and squads are ironically really broken in squad dm. Sometimes you're put into a squad on your team, sometimes you're not. A lot of people think that you just can not squad spawn in the mode. That's not the case. Sometimes you totally can. I find it a little funny that they would encourage people to play a mode that clearly needs some bug fixes.

Sephiriah

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Oh--and squads are ironically really broken in squad dm. Sometimes you're put into a squad on your team, sometimes you're not. A lot of people think that you just can not squad spawn in the mode. That's not the case. Sometimes you totally can. I find it a little funny that they would encourage people to play a mode that clearly needs some bug fixes.

Not just SDM, any game mode that you use the "pick the best one" kind of option with will put you and your squad into a game regardless as to whether you will be all on the same team, it just fills spaces in the match rather than looking for a game with enough spaces on a team to allow your squad to play together.

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GriftGFX

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That's not at all what I meant. "Party" and squad are not interchangeable :)

There's only one squad per team in SQDM. You're not always on your team's squad. I've been in games where half my team was in a squad, and the other half was not. The result: two people can spawn on each other while the other half is stuck w/ random spawns. That's not how the mode is supposed to work (I hope). That has to be a bug.

I never use party join. It's sorta pointless on the PC.

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PlumbDrumb

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party join is visiting a forum and spouting drunk logic.

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GriftGFX

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The 12x scope on the L85 is excessive. I don't need that level of zoom on a damn AR.

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Doom_Bringer

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Karkand is a very very good map, I also like Wake but it's full of unnecessary and badly placed architecture. Still haven't played the other two

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Sephiriah

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That's not at all what I meant. "Party" and squad are not interchangeable :)

There's only one squad per team in SQDM. You're not always on your team's squad. I've been in games where half my team was in a squad, and the other half was not. The result: two people can spawn on each other while the other half is stuck w/ random spawns. That's not how the mode is supposed to work (I hope). That has to be a bug.

I never use party join. It's sorta pointless on the PC.

Okay I misuderstood, but by party I do mean not only in an XBL party but in a squad prematch. You set yourself up with you and your friends in both a squad (to play together in the same game+team+squad) and an XBL party to have private chat and all it does if you pick the quick match option is to find games with your squads number of players in and sticks you in it.

Meaning you have to either:

1. Play against your friends in your party (not great when the whole idea of squads is to play together)

2. Keep spamming switch teams until another player wishes to do so and swap or

3. Quit and try again.

Reach had this nailed and I really though BF3 was going to be leaps better not worse...

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[quote=GriftGFX]That's not at all what I meant. "Party" and squad are not interchangeable :)

There's only one squad per team in SQDM. You're not always on your team's squad. I've been in games where half my team was in a squad, and the other half was not. The result: two people can spawn on each other while the other half is stuck w/ random spawns. That's not how the mode is supposed to work (I hope). That has to be a bug.

I never use party join. It's sorta pointless on the PC.[/quote]

Okay I misuderstood, but by party I do mean not only in an XBL party but in a squad prematch. You set yourself up with you and your friends in both a squad (to play together in the same game+team+squad) and an XBL party to have private chat and all it does if you pick the quick match option is to find games with your squads number of players in and sticks you in it.

Meaning you have to either:

1. Play against your friends in your party (not great when the whole idea of squads is to play together)

2. Keep spamming switch teams until another player wishes to do so and swap or

3. Quit and try again.

Reach had this nailed and I really though BF3 was going to be leaps better not worse...

GriftGFX

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Well it's pretty easy to get on the same team in squad deathmatch on the PC. It's pretty easy to get in the same squad (at least in 32 player games--thanks squad limit!) too. The gametype is bugged though. You're pretty clearly supposed to be on your team's squad, but that only works a small percentage of the time. Most frequently, you're left with random spawns. Now I'm under the impression that squad spawning is disabled in TDM (I think), but that's not the case here.. it's just the case that you're either put in the team squad or you're not. Sometimes one person on the team is the whole squad, sometimes it's two or three people, and sometimes it's none.

The mode will improve dramatically if they fix this. It's much more satisfying than the campfest and horribad spawns of TDM.

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Sephiriah

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Grift you seem to be some kind of battlefield god so I am going to put to you a scenario and could you please tell me how you'd deal with it.

Rush. Attacking. Enemy camping you with both of their tanks and yours and snipers...

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GrimThorne

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Grift you seem to be some kind of battlefield god so I am going to put to you a scenario and could you please tell me how you'd deal with it.

Rush. Attacking. Enemy camping you with both of their tanks and yours and snipers...

That's not a scenario, that's called rape.

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Sephiriah

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That's not a scenario, that's called rape.

Pretty much... I thought the BF crowd was better than spawn camping.

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GeRaLTo

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Grift you seem to be some kind of battlefield god so I am going to put to you a scenario and could you please tell me how you'd deal with it.

Rush. Attacking. Enemy camping you with both of their tanks and yours and snipers...

1.Try Bad Company 1/2 - no shit like this because maps were different ( better I mean )

2. Stick with BF3, get a friends into Your squad. Use smoke granades to avoid snipers and mortar to get rid of tanks. Simple but requires most obvious thing - teamwork. Keep playing with strangers and You'll hate this game soon enough.

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GriftGFX

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Grift you seem to be some kind of battlefield god so I am going to put to you a scenario and could you please tell me how you'd deal with it.

Rush. Attacking. Enemy camping you with both of their tanks and yours and snipers...

Well I don't like Rush much, but team work is key. Rush also seems to improve with fewer players. Less congestion around choke points makes flanking a lot more feasible.

And these may seem sorta obvious, but rivaL xfactor posted some pretty solid tips on youtube, and one of them addresses pushing past choke points:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuetOt7yizM&context...

Good stuff. Check out his other clips too.

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1.Try Bad Company 1/2 - no shit like this because maps were different ( better I mean )

Bullshit. Rush in BC2 is filled with obnoxious choke points and people perched in corners and windows. Don't be ridiculous. BC2 wookies are about the worst thing ever.

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Tinks

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I'll 2nd the opinion that maps in BC2 were better.

They were more consistently vehicle based like Battlefield SHOULD be

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GriftGFX

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BC2 has some similar stuff. There are a bunch of maps that feature a few quads and a couple of APC's.. which is pretty much just like the BF3 maps you're complaining about. B2K definitely has a much better sense of scale versus BC2. But I definitely like a handful of BC2 maps better than a handful of BF3 maps.

Back to Karkand levels are better than the rest in both. That's because Battlefield 2 maps were basically all sandboxes that featured every aspect of the gameplay. BC2 Vietnam also had some quality conquest layouts.

This game is now up to 13 levels and some of them are pretty dang good. I guess it doesn't hurt that I love infantry.. and the return of conquest assault is so very welcome. I even like metro in the right setting (and with few enough people).. and Bazaar is a great infantry map despite the stupid choke point in the middle. There are some great routes in that map.

I just played an hour long game of assault on Oman with like 700 tickets or something. That will wear you down.

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BC2 has some similar stuff. There are a bunch of maps that feature a few quads and a couple of APC's.. which is pretty much just like the BF3 maps you're complaining about. B2K definitely has a much better sense of scale versus BC2. But I definitely like a handful of BC2 maps better than a handful of BF3 maps.

Back to Karkand levels are better than the rest in both. That's because Battlefield 2 maps were basically all sandboxes that featured every aspect of the gameplay. BC2 Vietnam also had some quality conquest layouts.

This game is now up to 13 levels and some of them are pretty dang good. I guess it doesn't hurt that I love infantry.. and the return of conquest assault is so very welcome. I even like metro in the right setting (and with few enough people).. and Bazaar is a great infantry map despite the stupid choke point in the middle. There are some great routes in that map.

I just played an hour long game of assault on Oman with like 700 tickets or something. That will wear you down.

Phaethon360

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I don't like how performance seems to dip way down on the B2K maps for me. In general performance seems to be off since the patches. I've had to turn the graphics from High to Low!

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GeRaLTo

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I spend a lot of time playing BC and BC2 ( xbox and even PC ) and maps were perfect, only campers were snipers but it was cool because they are...snipers, unlike bf3 You could destroy 90% of buildings. I also dont remember a single choke point. Different strokes for different folks Grift ;] BF3 has better gfx but physics and gameplay is worse and reminds me of COD way to often. Hopefully BC3 will hit next gen soon enough

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I spend a lot of time playing BC and BC2 ( xbox and even PC ) and maps were perfect, only campers were snipers but it was cool because they are...snipers, unlike bf3 You could destroy 90% of buildings. I also dont remember a single choke point. Different strokes for different folks Grift ;] BF3 has better gfx but physics and gameplay is worse and reminds me of COD way to often. Hopefully BC3 will hit next gen soon enough

Clearly. BF3 is so much fucking better than Bad Company. But then again, you complained when the put in measures to stop you from SPAMMING MINES. :P

The real irony is that the worst bits of BF3 are the bits inspired by BC2.

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