There a place soon as you come out of agency you drive down road straight ahead on left like entrance to a yard where load of gang members are. Then to your right in there there like a slope go right up after you killed everyone you get to a place where its block off with cars and there explosion cannisters lob grenade blow it up and its some nice fireworks. :)

Also dont just shoot the people kick them then your get yellow strength balls so you can get your strength up so you can eventually after about 3 level ups pick up 2 tonnes and lob it. I have forgot what the number was its superb love jumping in air and lobbing dead gang member through the air lol.

You can do some funny stuff cant wait to get full game so can max ability be awesome. :)

how's the Co-Op?

cool, sounds like an awesome demo then. Can't wait to play it later tonight

I was just playing co-op with someone and it's awesome! This game is FUN.

Damn... I'm not going to lie this game is seriously hot. The fun is there and the agency guy talking to you all the time almost makes me not miss the story. You have a very clear objective from the get go. It's also pretty interesting how there are different ways of doing things.

It feels like there are so many cool ways to approach things. The upgrades ACTUALLY matter. Your driving control improves your aim becomes more deadly with guns. Not bad at all.

I like how when you're near specific gang activity you are notified to go check it out. Or how they sent people out to go kill you. What I really love about this game is that despite how powerful you may be there are times when you seriously get hurt then the need to escape feels really frantic.

awesome, downloading slow as day. Reminds me of the 56K Kazaa waiting days. Good times, good times. Wasn't expecting it to be this big, so I guess I'll go read my philosophy book :P

I think GTA4 should totally rip off the nice aiming system of targeting tires and gas tanks on vehicles or shooting weapons out of enemies hands.

there is no real story (not like gta style storywhere gameplay is interspersed with "cut scenes" explaing the story or why your character is teh way he is or why he is doing what ever he is doing)
the game is about "sandbox" gameplay....as in its upto you how you do things...its your "OWN" story , you create it, how you play the game is entirely upto you

even though gta like to call its self a free roaming game...it still kinda leads you by the hand because there is a MAJOR story attached.......


as grift said rockstar has to step up now...crackdown is the biz

I'm expecting reviews in the 8.5-9.3 range.......to me it's that good.

Holy shit..!

This game completely DESTROYS any sandbox game ever made, including GTA!
Yes indeed, this is the GTA KILLER we've been waiting for!
This game totally anihilates Saint's Row in every department, if this game doesn't sell atleast twice as many copy's as Saint's Row, there's something seriously wrong with the gaming industry!

Seriously, I don't think I've had so much fun with a videogame in a long time, it's simply brilliant!
The architecture in this game is just fantastic, the climbing, hanging and jumping from building to building, rooftop to rooftop is just so satisfying.
And the agility upgrading system really finishes it off!
Add the hilarious situations you often find yourself in, the massive explosions and a city where so much is going on and feels so alive, and you can't possibly go wrong with this one.

Where Saint's Row adds absolutely NOTHING to the sandbox genre, this game REDEFINES it.
One of the biggest differences is that Saint's Row takes place pretty much in a 2 dimensional enviroment.
Almost everything takes place on ground level, ok, there is some relief, but the enviroment is pretty much just bland and boring.
In Crackdown, the whole enviroment is interactive and everything you see is within reach.

Only downside is the targeting as mentioned here earlier which is terrible, but it doesn't ruin the game for me, at all.
Also, I'm still not that charmed by the artstyle, and it's not that I've got anything against cell-shaded graphics (I thought XIII was a beautifull game at the time), but I don't know, I just don't really dig it.
That said, I am getting used to it a bit more now and so it doesn't bother me as much as before.
And I'd still think It's a shame they didn't implement some sort of story to it, but I can manage without.

Framerate is nice and smooth. which is a HUGE plus and the draw distance is also impressive.
Some pop-up here and there, but it's nothing serious.
And the game actually memorises things, so if you park a car somewhere and you come back after a while it's still there!
(I hope you're taking notes, Volition!)

Damn, what a turn around!
I was very sceptical about this one, but the demo simply blew me away.

I never thought I'd say this, but this game is a WINNER and an instant CLASSIC..!

True, Saint's Row did improve on some things GTA did, but minor things like the weapon selection pop-up menu, the world map ,better graphics, better targeting and better physics.

But, it also doesn't do alot of things GTA did; how about boats, motorcycles, choppers, planes etc.
This made the game very sterile and 2d-ish, and the bad humor and poor story didn't help either.
Not to mention the (lack of) performance.

Crackdown on the otherhand has...well...read my previous post and add the tons of stuff I've not put in there or to that... ;)

I just played the Demo, and WOW. Is this game sweet. The gameplay is so fun, i burned 1 hr without even noticing it. This game deserves an 8.5 minimum. Is x360 ever sweet. Cant wait to see how the other titles hold up for 2007. crackdown was 1 of my least expected games... and it delivered.

I dont think sandbox games are meant to have a story. No offense but GTA story wasnt what made people want to play GTA. Even vice city, which IMO is the best GTA game so far doesnt have much on story.

Alot of people say GoW doesnt have a story, well just because the story isnt spoon fed to you doesnt mean there isnt one. i felt GoW does a splendid job of telling you whats happening without interupting the gameplay.

I agree that a sandbox game doesn't necessarily need a story (Crackdown has me convinced on this), but the Story in GTA is what made that game, imo.
Well actually, I'd fool around in the city first, and then I'd dive into the main story mode, so it was a nice mixture of both.

Imo, GTA 3 (the 1st 3d GTA) was the best as I'll never forget the sensation of being able to wonder around in this open enviroment, doing whatever you please.
Being able to drive any car you wanted to, go where ever you wanted to, shoot people whenever you wanted to, it was like something I'd never experienced before.
And then you had that immersive (imo) story with such a fantastic atmosphere to dive into.

Crackdown is kind of doing this now, maybe not with the same impact as GTA 3 did back then (there kinda goes my earlier statement of GTA killer), but I really feel like I'm playing something new, fresh and exciting... :D

I just came back from another long session with the demo, I climbed the agency tower.......wow, so awesome.

I got to the highest point of one of the three peaks, there are two of the same height and another a bit lower, I guess I need a higher ability level to reach those two, but that's pretty much as high as you can go and it looks incredible form up there. It took me close to 20 minutes.