no.

really I could give a fuck about how it looks as long as slamming into a car or wall puts you out of the race, or at least slows you down enough that you have jack shit chance of winning, especially in MP.

I'll always find performance damage to be FAR more important than visual damage. I'll be using cockpit or hood cam the whole time anyhow, so it's not like I'll see my car to begin with.

Just give me great tracks, great cars, great physics, great AI, and a great career mode and I'll be happy.

While I applaud them for doing more than a texture swap/pop off doors, the damage seems to "melt" or something. That vid where he pinned the guy to the wall- weird. The bigger concern for me is the Racing Line AI is still much in evidence. Look how they just plow through the player and keep flying on with just a little slowdown/deviation from their course...

Holy mother of, weather effects look incredible. This looks fucking photoreal.

video - http://www.gran-turismo.com/jp/news/sp/d9815p2.htm...

gif from gaf

Yeah, that is bananaz!

it would seem that I need a new pair of pants.

Haha, looks phenomenal!

thats truly amazing, i guess that extra 6 months of dev time went to something substantial

I just played the Best Buy demo and came away with a huge WTF look in my face. I only played on the Ring and it looked hideous! I don't know what some people are smoking when they try to defend the looks of the tracks but to me the difference to other racing games is very clear cut.

So is that gif just bullshit? I'm confused as to whether this game actually looks great or not.

the tracks look accurate. that's all there is to it really. boring, lifeless track in reality (ie, the ring) = boring, lifeless track in GT5. it was the same with the "demo" they released for that competition. the london/ italy tracks look awesome tho. easily on par with any other racer out there. be it forza or PGR. more so really since they're a lot more accurate to the real thing. forza takes a lot of artistic liberties with their tracks, which may make them look more interesting, but accurate they most definately are not.

depends what you're looking for i guess.

I noticed how poor the ring looked a while back; it always looked hideous to me. To be honest, all we've seen so far of GT5 is off-screen vids which hide a lot of the poor looking environment assets so its understandable that people get deceived. For example, the environments on trial mountain look awful in the photo mode images, yet the offscreen vids of the same track look Ok.While other versions of the track are not 1:1 perfect, it really blows my mind that you can suggest the GT5 version is the most accurate, especially coming from someone who doesn’t even play or even like racing sims. Also, the fact that you say the ring is boring and lifeless tells me that you really have no idea what you’re talking about.All gifs are, but still, they do look awesome though :)

A track being boring looking comes down to devs, really. This happens in racing games too much, and there are plenty of things they can do( I'm talking about almost all racing games). At least that F1 game looks to be trying to fix this issue. Add some atmospherics, I think when games started putting flags in there it helped a bit, and animate the damn Trees( no one does this)- it would go a very long way to making the place feel alive. PGR 4 had a nice live feel to it( as well as Dirt2), IMO. I also like when the crowd reacts to the cars if they get to close...

Ok are we back to universally hating GT5 again? sweet. Whats that? GT5 has bad graphics? Do tell more!

Of course, I wouldn't expect a different reply from you. The ring lifeless and boring? Are you kidding? Get out of here, come back when you bring some objectivity (not anytime soon I'd expect).No, that gif does look awesome, no denying there. Just to give another example, I can say the rally tracks look like complete crap. The night/day transition IS nice, but the actual track looks like crap. Besides that it's the fact that it's Rally with invisible walls--Sega Rally style!

To me that doesn't add much, but it does look like a great feature on paper, and it's very marketable, etc etc. I remember TOCA did a bunch of crap, and so that's what it was in each area. By heart it was a GT game, sure they did Rally but it was laughable. Had open wheel cars but they were laughable. For some people that was fun, but to me it was a missed opportunity to just focus effort on what works the best.

In some ways GT seems to have lost focus. Just from videos I can tell the Rally portion of it it's going to be a joke--and I know I must look bad saying that, but that is not rally. Check true rally games from last gen for that. You can have premium VW mini-buses, but that isn't adding *anything* to this game. So it's cool that they do have it, but downright useless from a racing game's perspective.

So as time passes by the graphics become less and less jaw-dropping, or I become even picker of certain things--which I don't see why I wouldn't after all this time. I think that for a racing game releasing in 2010, it won't be making anywhere near as much impact as GT3 did for example.

Well you did play PGR4.

I didn't get that....

the wit, or the game?

and I hear I thought you were a fellow PGR4 lover, and you didn't even have the game. You should not be smiling right now. All the lies and slander.

Gran Turismo 5 has the most boring blades of grass ever.

hah! I'll never forget the 3-d grass hubbub around the Forza games.

I do have PGR4, but I didn't get what you were trying to tell me.

It is just you.

They have done incredible job. Gfx have been improved since this but this also looks photo-realistic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEjKMzjB9_E

Dog > Lion, that's all I have to say.

I just played the Best Buy demo too. I feel the same, it definitely looks weak, IMO. Unless that is a really old build. The aliasing is just as bad as Forza's and the Nurinburgring's "x" trees are very noticable. I also played the Rally track which was bad( except once it got dark, then it looked cool, although I didn't see the real-time raytracing everyone used to talk about). Playing the demo really dampened my anticipation...