A MS corporate employ has been hilariously caught trying to flame around and trolling with GT5's only 3 months delay of release from its tentative date :)

see here:
http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2009/09/24/want-to-tro...

For GT fans its basically nothing, as for PD, they already made good money with even a demo priced at 40 USD and selling through 3.7 million.

Its great that T10 made 2 games, but for a lot of fans eyeing GT5 features, those 2 games are already GT5 subsets, and Forza 2 with all its lackings, was basically like a demo in the process of making Forza 3. So, my point is I always enjoy MS's ways of desperation management.
In the same way as they are now rebating 50 USD off of every 360 sold in US to face-off PS3 Slim's onslaught(1 million in 3 weeks) till 5th October. Trying to sell 360 hiddenly for 249 USD. Just to not lose ground there while keep wearing the face of full confidence heh heh.

BANNED - That link doesn't even work and your off-topic trolls are about as subtle as a brick. See you in a month.

As I mentioned above, PD made a demo (GT5p) priced at a heavy 40USD and sold through 3.7 million. Thats almost around Forza 2 selling as a full game with larger installed base... so first profit is clearly there. right?

2ndly, GT series has a knock of selling through 10-12 million units each game without any price reduction... that might account for Forza 2 and 3 sold combined... and maybe even more. So, when its demo with such huge price sells through this much, you can guess where GT5 is heading, especially with a history of selling around 10 mill. each. No worries there, profitability is accounted for when we talk of GT :)

Yes I find it amusing that Forza 2 will "all its lackings" still managed to Outperform every GT game after GT3 in terms of ratings/reviews.

Heh heh, first of all this ain't about ratings/review... you account for Edge giving ODST a 9 in the face of Killzone2 a 7 a fair review? only if you are a fanboy :) Its been pointed out, review conspiracies have been fleshed out properly over the time and now hardly any matter. How gamerailers tried and caught giving 360 games an edge using the PS3 footage... there isn't anything that accounts for fair reviews today.
If you want to judge, Gamespot gave PGR2 a better review than GT4, now would anyone believe that Hahaha?!

This thing out of the way, I was pointing out the concern MS corporate folks are trying to raise in the same way T10 community manager tried to secretly bribe the fanbase to vote for F3's popularity on Cnet's poll, and got caught :) and they sorely lost. Its no secret F2 looked total crap, had glitches, but yeah thats the only thing MS can put against GT and so American critics are fully onboard to defend it on possible fronts.
They have the tendency(again, no secret) to not acknowledge that even GT5: Prologue, a demo, looks way better than the new Forza 3... let alone GT5 complete. See here, off-screen fan-captured GT5P images scroll down a little:
http://forums.gametrailers.com/thread/post-your-in...
(a great thread, lots of fan catured pics of many games, GT5P is unbelievable)

Apart from that, almost every person that watches F3 videos can point out the physics isn't realistic at all and dammage modelling is 'just not right', but we totally have seen a trend since Forza2 that when it all comes down to it... the secret MS trolls bring up this crippled, mixed-up feature to tout against GT series. C'mon, I'll totally appreciate damage when its complete. And btw, the new Forza 3 demo is totally lacking also... they say visuals don't matter much, but actually they have focused only on that department alone. Here's a F3 demo expression from a fan:
http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php...

This is what I meant when I said, F2 was nothing but a beta product in the developing ladder of F3 ;)