Not the consumers, no. There are plenty of people in every industry doing it right now.How can you say that it "clearly" hasn't done so this time around without more data? Given how played Call of Duty 4, and now Modern Warfare 2 are.. it seems silly to assume that they're not profitable ventures.

MW2 peaked at 86,032 concurrent players on Steam today.. which indicates that they sold many more copies than that. Less than a million, still? Perhaps.. but it will easily break into the seven digits, which should be more than enough to make it worthy investment.

If that were the case, no game with any sort of budget would ever break even on the PC. That's clearly not happening.

But they haven't invested in the PC version have they? They've simply ported the console version across as they see fit and built IW.net to replicate the console match-making APIs. (Though there is more to it in the future than that I will wager). That's not an investment, that's doing the minimum required.

Why they have chosen this path is a matter of conjecture. I'm inferring from what the publisher's actions are, not how viable it may or may not be in practice because we don't have data, like you say.

Activision are interested in scale & big numbers. I'm just saying it wouldn't surprise me if they dropped the PC SKU if this one did horribly. There are plenty of reasons however, why they would still put one out regardless, so like I say 50:50.

According to Robert Bowling, IWNet represents the biggest investment in the games PC history. Doing the minimum would have actually made a lot of people far more happy! Integrating IWNet and burying features probably cost them more time (money) than leaving in features that were already part of the COD4 code. I doubt it would even cost them much to patch that stuff in, if they actually wanted to (they don't).

TDM sucks dude!

I'd rather play S&D with *no mics* in a pub than the utter random shit that is team deathmatch. TDM hasn't been good in a single Call of Duty game.

I love FFA too.. that's random crap I can deal with!

FFA is great practice.. it keeps you on your toes and the fact that there's always someone at your back is expected. I love FFA Quake/UT too. It's great reaction training.

TDM in Call of Duty is just the illusion of a team gametype. It's basically FFA with friendly targets. The spawns ruin it.. it's literally one of the worst implementations of team deathmatch I've ever played.

And that's not even considering the random campfest.

S&D, HQ, Sabotage.. all significantly more fun and rewarding. I suspect CTF is too.

Grift, it is a console game, so get the console version.

Based on the # of posts in this thread it is clear you have more interest in this game than anyone else! :P

But seriously, maybe spin off the IW Love/Hate to another thread and use this one for the game?

Or start a new threadfor the game / matching up with other players...

LOL. No. The PC version is still the definitive version. According to Robert Bowling (which means.. ya know.. that this could just be made up!) The PC version even outsold Call of Duty 4 in its respective first week.

Shame.Was there ever any doubt?

What does hating TDM have to do with hating IW? I am discussing the game. TDM would suck on dedicated servers too :P

Discussing hacks, performance, etc.. also discussing the game.

I'm not really interested in repeating myself anymore. Everyone knows that I think IW sold their gaming souls to Activision.. but if there's relevant discussion about the game that I feel I can take part in, or information about the PC version that I think is interesting.. then I don't see why I can't post it.

I'll try to be nice and pretend that death streaks, air support, and unlimited explosives are awesome though.. if it makes ya happy ;)

Maybe if you tried the game you would think they were awesome? :D

Air support was pretty lame COD4 too. I prefer.. skills for kills.. ya know.. like shooting people. So far as explosives are concerned, it could use three perks for all I care... you would still have people running around with limitless noob tubes. Tubes don't remove a perk any more either.. so if you're coming from COD4.. it's not tremendously different (apart from the unlimited ammo!) is it?

Now that there's no user control over game types, this game desperately needs a "no perks" play list... no perks and limited attachments. Ideally you could use a more limited subset of perks or attachments in custom games too... rather than the tweaking being limited to "no perks" or "all perks."

No perks may not seem appealing to the masses, but I don't need excessive RPG progression tacked on to great combat to keep it compelling. I mean.. Halo gets an MLG play list.. so why not? "Hardcore" is no substitution. HC is for people who think that reaction should be rewarded over aim.What, it's not all of a sudden?In most cases, it would be correct.. but it's easy to tell that a lot of the perks exist to level the playing field.. just because Juggernaut is gone doesn't mean that there aren't a dozen other newbie perks. This game was built from the ground up for a much more casual audience than the Call of Duty I'm accustomed to. I know that doesn't make it a bad game!

Some things are clear from simple observation. It doesn't take experience to know that refillable tubes, claymores, and frags are going to be detrimental to the game (especially since tubes and claymores are detrimental to the game to begin with).. or that hit boxes have grown in size to compensate for aim and lag.

I'm sure it's still a great pub game! I'm not too proud to admit that I do feel like I'm missing out.

But whatever.. carry on.

Alright, next people to start bickering about their lost whoseitwhatsit and they're dedicatedmyputzit get boulet'd. To get this back on track...

The Weapon Optimization Guide written by yours truly. Guaranteed to get you more kills or your money back.

Discuss your weapon load outs and classes.

I don't really like the starting classes too be honest..

Primary class:
I play with the Vector submachine gun with a red-dot or holographic scope and a silencer
Secondary I use the m93 3 round burst machine pistol with a silencer and greater bullet penetration.

As a Sniper I us the WA2000 with Thermal scope and silencer...
Secondary: M93 silenced + FMJ

Btw I only play hardcore TD and hardcore S&D.. I prefer people going down immediately instead of having to empty a clip...