Yes its irrelavant, my mistake I misread what you said.

For teh second part, I think you should read what you wrote there, "watered-down.third.person action game combat"

At least it looks like proper combat and proper gameplay there, at least they are putting some time in it, ES games seems that they create the world, then put a lot of stuff in it but they never look at the combat department at all, no proper hit reactions, no proper player feedback, no nothing just a very below average combat system there.

Now that may be enough for some dudes that pretty much plays it for the immersion and for the exploration but I don't know why is bad to want proper gameplay/combat in a RPG, I seriously don't know why is so insulting to RPG fans.

NG combat in a RPG could be the very best thing the genre needs in order to developers to up their game in this department and it seems Amalur will do just that and thats why our excitement comes.

I am not saying overhaul the entire Elder Scrolls combat, no!
I am saying to add some freaking hit reaction to the damn game. Make the enemies move when I swing my sword, batteaxe, greatsword, warhammer, WHATEVER, against them.

I seen video with high level character with some nice looking weapons and the characters dont flinch one bit to a single hit unless its a power attack which is straight BS to me.
You are telling me a big greatsword "hitting" a enemy doesnt make them react to it? yeah right, thats shit.

I was really expecting much better from Skyrim since Oblivion. But then again, I should have followed my instincts (damn that art and world being the holy grail of it all).

For me, in any melee type of games with RPG, if its real time, I want it to be good because that it is the core gameplay of it, that is what you are going to use the most to get the fun out of it. That is how we usually want to play and level up and test our new skills and such. And when the combat sucks then whats the point of it all.
I judge games on melee by its combat and the rest if interested, I knew it from the video but I still gave it a shot with hesitation thinking maybe at level 20+ with proper perks to do more damage it may change, but no, nothing.

Kingdom of Amalur or even Witcher 2 has good combat. Why? Enemies react to your hits, they are not there for you to swing your weapons like its thin air and hope for them to just fall.
And when they hit you, you react as well.

I love "everything" about Skyrim, but the combat is so boring to me that I have given it so many chances with various builds and it still doesnt change the fact its no different from what I saw from the videos.

Good combat = enemies react to your hit! lol, Sath thats a new level in BS, there is so much more to combat in an RPG than hit mere hit reaction.

Skyrim combat is satistfying? the level of bullshit in that is much higher :)

I meant one of the good things about having a good combat in real-time combat system is to have good hit reaction (among the other stuff I mentioned).

The only thing I can think of that is more important is stats and leveling which I have no issues with.
I wouldnt mind staggering from enemy swings as much as they should when I do my attacks (shield bash and power attacks doesnt count).

But whatever, argueing the same thing over and over is useless.

Dont worry sath, i'm sure you'll love the game again in a day or 2...lol

I could constantly mention how much I love Skyrim (which I do, until my obvious issue occurs) until the next Elder Scrolls is out, but it doesnt change the fact I will specifically seperate what I love about it and what I hate about it.

Why I like Skyrim: Everything about it, except combat being horrible (specifically, hit reaction is crap so it makes it very unsatistfying to use).

Cant get more complicated than that.

I quit after 2 days aswell, mainly cause im waiting for a patch to stop it crashing.. hmmppf

Thats funny, you said you did find it satisfying, about 5 times now lol...??

Yeah give it up Sath, argueing with yourself is not healthy for the mind, i mean your only going to come back in a few days and say how your enjoying the combat again lol....

LOL

I found the finishing moves in first person to be the only thing satistfying about the melee combat.

Thing is I am not the only one who thinks the combat overal is nothing but a copy-paste from Oblivion with no work on it except added dual wielding and finishers.
Its just bad for me that the thread is full of Elder Scrolls fans with the same mindset, even though some says the same thing about the combat as me. But somehow they go with archery to "hide" the uglyness of its overal combat.

I for one love melee combat when I have the option to choose it because magic only and archery isnt to my liking that much to the point I would use an entire game for that, especailly for such a huge and long game as Skyrim. Unless Robin Hood was my childhood hero since the cartoon :P

A comment by you sath lol... one of many golden lines from you. :)

That was me commenting when I wasent level 15+ with not so many perks used in the one-handed weapons skills. That was when I first got it, and that comment was soley based on the overal experience I had, first impression.
Yes, world, music, detail, art, dialogues. It wasent combat-only impressions.

Thanks for trying :)

But you know, lets just drop this repeated of months argeing because it wont change anything.

You guys who enjoy the game overal enjoy, I will just wait for Kingdoms of Amalur to get my RPG fix :)

Another golden cooment from much later, i could go on and on, but i wont.... ;p

lol classics..

Anyway off to join the Stormcloakes now, i've made my choice. Can anyone tell if this means the city of the Imperials will be off limits to me?

Fixed. ;)

And no doubt proceed to flip-flop between loving it and hating it like you do every other game?

Seriously don't understand why the last 3 or 4 pages of this thread exist.

Some people don't like the combat
Some people aren't bothered by it

Its just this over and over.

Yeah, i'vehad a bit of a break from the game but still i've just been slaying dragons and getting new words for probably the last 5 hours of game time. I should get back on the questing as well i think.

Will finishing the mian quest wipe dragons from the game? I mean, dare i do the main quest without getting all the words and dragon souls i need?

As i understand it, you can still visit the city and do the city quest? but obviously the Imperials Questline will be off limits.

I at the Mage School and loving the quest's thus far :)

I'm sure the dev's stated you can keep playing after??

Youve been able to keep going in all previous TES games, and i'm pretty sure i remember hearing in an interview that yes, you can in fact keep going this time.

*edit: actually i lie, i've only ever played morrowind and oblivion prior to this, but in those games you could keep playing!