Hey whatever you like, I guess. I've watched my console gamer friends play PC games and lose themselves in the keyboard. It's difficult to watch. I think the worst thing I've ever witnessed (I mean, gaming, it doesn't compare to 9/11 or anything) was my buddy playing L4D2 for PC.. on his Mac.. with an Xbox pad. Noob to the noob power. It's a bit like riding around in a wheel chair when you could be walking.. because it feels better.

I don't think better is subjective in this case though. Not even close. Mouse-look alone is enough to make it a demonstrable upgrade. So are using eight-to-ten digits for input and a controller with (many) more buttons. You may feel more comfortable with the pad, but the keyboard and mouse is objectively better. The only advantage the other side of this discussion has is analog movement, and I've yet to play an FPS where that actually matters.

But ultimately it all comes down to personal preference. Some people prefer to play Street Fighter with a SNES controller too. More power to them.

And speaking of inputs: I wonder what kind of flight stick support this will have.Who knows.. but it sure does seem like.. something. I don't think they'd throw those in there are decoration, but I guess that's possible too.

I seriously hope BF3 does this too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-KNLTMwSh8&feature...

^^ classic BF2 video

That's you not actually being used to it. After a while that all becomes muscle memory (just like typing, or, using a game pad). I actually think that probably has an enormous impact on your ability to feel the same level of "immersion." For me, using a pointer makes everything far more intuitive, and really seems more.. er.. immersible? The keyboard is clearly a barrier for you. After a while, switching weapons, reloading, or movement or whatever will just become second nature. You won't think, "I have to reload, so lets hit R!"--Your body will just do it.

Your ability to buy the feel of a pad is one thing, but I don't actually think that it's any better at simulating real live action. Oh, it has triggers! But you have to aim with this tiny joystick in ridiculously mechanical ways. Which is so laborious and slow that it has to be soaked in auto-aim to even "feel" right. ;)

Console users should check out FPS Freeks too. They really improve the feel of the joystick for aiming for me tremendously. It won't magically make you a better player but it does allow you to control higher sensitivities with more accuracy.

I'm not a military dude but I've handled fire arms. I'm not convinced that analog joysticks are any more representative of that experience. I'm actually convinced of the opposite. Point and shoot is a lot easier when you're using a controller that was designed to point in the first place :)

The camera isn't just your iron sights after all, it's your eyes and head movement too. I can move those things pretty quickly and accurately in real life. And granted, a rifle is harder to control than my own head, but not like.. a lot harder :P

I think it's a little early to worry about air dominance or anti air. With jets coming back in I'm thinking heat seekers are likely to reappear.

This is what FPS games look like when you play them on PC ;)What a tool. Most recons just sit in a corner and do nothing.

That dude does some awesome shit. The bailing out of the helo and taking out the other one with C4 bit was too fuckin cool. Battlefield rules.

I need to get Vietnam still.

Uh, he's talking about the video, and we're talking about how the game is played.. not image quality and player count. I'd love to see someone play like that on a console.

I challenge someone to post a video of someone with that kind of aim and twitch reaction time on a gamepad. Sure, what you see in this video maybe possible on a pad, but it's not very common.. and you can't tell me that the best PC clip videos don't crush the best console clip videos ;)

I like the red dot for quick scoping, but it's not really necessary and ruins the long range viability of the rifle. It's still pretty fun to do though.