Yes it sounds better on paper, but when the game is actually running, there really isnt much between the two apart from the better anti aliasing. PGR4 cities look richer and more lively and the dashboard on the car models look improved but... i've found that PGR3 has better lighting, runs smoother and using photomode, i've also noticed that PGR3's road textures are of a much higher resolution.

@Jin, you don't like the bikes!?!?

@Acert

I agree, and I don't get it. They are obviously improved a whole lot. Car models are the only thing I would consider relatively equal, and by that I mean in terms of how they are modeled, in terms of polygons. Yet some things like the tire thread, and details inside the car look VERY improved.

Jaggies are improved a whole lot, A LOT. Shadowing is also very improved, remember in PGR3 the in-car camera shadowing and how jaggie and dark sometimes it was? Well that's gone now, shadows are much smoother and realistic.

Texture pop in has improved a lot. In PGR3 every race you started had some minor pop in, on buildings that is. That has been reduced by about 90%

Reflections look extremely smooth and again, less jaggies.

AF improved, and unlike many and like Acert, I believe this is something that improves IQ tremendously and IT SHOWS.

Smoke looks really awesome, the best out there.

The resolution increased.

Lighting is more realistic now. It only takes a run in the snowy nurburgring to notice this. Overall it is a much more realistic lighting.

And I love how people all over the place (not just this forum) like to say things like "PGR3 with nice weather"........come on, nice weather? Is that what you say to the best weather effects in a racing game? This is so very understated.

A wet car makes for an absolutely incredible amount of stuff going on at once. It's not only that the rain looks nice, but how it is affected by lighting, this goes for snow too.

Just did the invitation race on nurb in the snow, was so hard but it looked sooo beautiful.

@Lebato, i really hate the bikes, they feel horrible. Also i agree with the improvements of PGR4, but do you not think PGR3 has better use of HDR lighting, better road textures and runs smoother?

I think both games have thier merits in different ways which is why i say its very similar in terms of overall graphics.

Hmn....I don't know how much you have played the game, but I just can't see how this interface is worse by any means. Everything is more easily accessible. And like I said before, this game has a sense of reward, something PGR3 was lacking. PGR3 was fun, but cars were so easy to get and required no effort at all that getting them was not an event to remember.

I personally really like how they did the traditional arcade PLUS career mode. I think invitationals are just always very fun, I'm always looking forward to the next one. Again, something missing in PGR3.

Overall, this game is truly something special for me. I think it has all the qualities of a great racing game. Along with FM2, PGR4 is the best racing game this generation so far IMO, and really not much else comes close.Hard? I'm playing on normal, and I thought it wasn't hard at all, I finished the race more than 1 minute before due or something like that. I thought it was amazing though, and did you see the replay? WOW!Why do you feel the bikes are horrible? I would like some things done better, like less jerkiness when accelerating from a full stop, but while racing I think they are really awesome. I think they nailed this aspect very well.

But hey, you can also ignore them for the most part, although I know that alternative kind of sucks.

I don't think PGR3 has better lighting, not at all. Check the night tracks. It looks more natural and doesn't make the cars overly shiny. I also don't think PGR3 runs smoother at all. How so? I see both of them exactly the same here. Both run at 30fps with no drops in framerate to be a problem (I have had that happen ONCE so far only), and both have the nice motion blur :D

It's not like FM2's replays where every single time a car goes off the track means severe framerate problems

As for better road textures, I haven't done what you did with photomode there, but I can tell you that in replays, PGR4's road textures look better thanks to the addition AF. I have both at hand, try to go back to PGR3 when you get a chance and compare the replays, it is then that PGR4 improved AF shines.

But then again I watch pretty much every other replay in this game. They are just incredibly well done, best replays ever by FAR.

Damn that first picture there is hot :o

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What... is that photo mode cause mine don't look half as nice as that (especially the tarmac), I think my 360 is broken :(

Neither does mine, my tarmac looks more like this...

Yeh i have both, thats how i noticed all those things, but yeh i agree the AF does make alot of difference on replays.

The demo is finally available. Downloading now :)

nah, that's an off-screen photo.

and on another note, I believe 360 is too broken(close to it). There will be times where the road/cities won't load while I'm racing, so I will just be driving on grey. Then of course the song tracks featured in the game will skip(sometimes for more than 30secs), and my 360 will get pretty loud when it does. Yup, urge to kill rising.

Unless others are having this problem, which I doubt!

Yea i meant was it a photo mode taking with a camera, but im guessing not as it still has the hud and everything else.

Sometimes off screen pics makes things look better.

The fact that you cant restart an event after finishing is beginning to really annoy me, so many occasions where i miss the target so slightly without having enough time to press start, now i have to wait a whole year to do it again, its ridiculous.

Reloading a level isn't too bad (could do with being faster though), loading a new level can take quite a while though.

ah ha!

I knew I wasn't the only one who thought that was retarded!

I do (11'000:1) but im still not seeing it.

I agree, sharpness is nice as long as the picture is perfect, otherwise it will pick up on every crappy deatail there is and make them look 10 times worse. (jaggies being the biggest offender)

Well they have that wrong, I don't know of any Racer on any platform that is as good graphically as PGR4.

I agree with what they say about the cars having some jaggies but's hardly worth griping about when you compare it to PGR3.

Based on car models only, the only racing game on 360 i can think of that probably looks better than this is NFS Pro Street, but that isnt out yet, i think?But when you consider the backgrounds too, this game is simply unrivalled. Also about the jaggies, i cant really tell as i play on a HD projector which seems to make almost all games look really smooth.

Anyway, i think sometimes this game looks phenomenal, it like blows every racer on any platform out the water, but the are times where it looks very underwhelming, its a bit of a mixed bag really, although it is mostly great.